So, who was the 'Paul Aden' of the Hip. world? He really messed with our hosta world.

Lemme guess, they were in it for the money and said, 'wink wink nudge nudge' when it came time to register them on a Friday afternoon at 4:58 … right before a three-day weekend.

We'll pass it now, and see what's in it (describe it) later.

dave

Dave...

These 2 were registered nearly 6 months apart back in 2001-2002.

The problem is that what we are buying as H. Tango, apparently doesn't really resemble the registered H. Tango....and blooms from what we are buying as H. Tango and H. La Paz are nearly identical. Perhaps you could fill us in on the Hosta problem. Or start another thread with that sage about Paul Aden

I put this thread up because several are struggling with these IDs right now and the bulbs were sold by many distributors. I thought that this would be a great reference with the registry material.

Kristi

Dear Kristi,

For many years, I was able to access a detailed database via the De Koninklijke Algemeene Vereeniging voor Bloembollencultuur (KAVB) site, which listed information about each registered Hippeastrum cultivar. After reading your most interesting post, my helmdraden (i.e., filaments) are twitching! ☺ I am wondering if KAVB has altered/augmented/updated some of the information contained in its Registry, or if perhaps, there is a difference between the information contained in the official KAVB Registry and their database.

In 2012, I was researching Hippeastrum cultivars whose descriptions in the KAVB database included the color purple . As the descriptions of both ‘La Paz’ and ‘Tango’ fell into this category, I saved their detailed information, which is shown directly below this message.

Please Note:

At that time, the salient differences between the registered cultivars were as follows:

The Primary Color of ‘La Paz’ was listed as Royal Horticultural Society (RHS) 185A, and it was further described as eenkleurig / egaal (monochromatic/having only one color). In contrast, the Primary Color of ‘Tango’ is RHS 187B, and it was specified as tweekleurig (bicolored/two-tone).

Thank you very much for your efforts! I hope that you will receive additional information, and an ID. Meanwhile, I continue to be curious, mystified, bemused, and amused. Until we are able to resolve this perplexing issue, I will adopt Hans-Werner's apropos moniker ‘La Pango’ with pleasure and merriment!

Cheers,

Blanca

LA PAZ - Spider Group
Flower Primary Colour
RHS 185A RHS
UPOV dark purple-red
NDS1 donker paarsrood
NDS2 donkerrood
NDS3 rood
Variegation of Colour Flower eenkleurig / egaal

TANGO - Spider Group
Flower Primary Colour
RHS 187B
UPOV dark purple-red
NDS1 donker paarsrood
NDS2 donkerrood
NDS3 rood
Variegation of Colour Flower tweekleurig

Flower Secondary Colour
RHS 001C
UPOV yellow-green
NDS1 geelgroen
NDS2 lichtgeel
NDS3 geel

This post was edited by blancawing on Sat, Jan 24, 15 at 5:32

Suffice it to say, there once lived a man who loved hostas. He visited many people's gardens, including breeders, and things would disappear. He himself claimed to be a hybridizer, though no one knows where he might have had such a facility. He was responsible for naming and registering many, many, many plants. Without him, one could honestly say, we probably would not have as many as the over 6,000 cv we now have, because no one else was registering them. After he died, the dirty little secret emerged. Now there are some in the hosta community that want to take the registered names away, and in some cases switch them

Anyway, it is a mess.

dave

Here is a link that might be useful: Paul Aden Story

Dear Blanca,
There was more info on the sheets that I received, I just copied the written description. You can see that for H. La Paz the primary color is dark purple-red with the lower petals bearing yellowish-green.

Hmm, the mystery deepens as your descriptions don't seem to match what I was sent. And the photos show blooms that don't really look at all like each other. I did ask about the blooms with tan pedicles. Waiting for a response.
K

I just looked at the RC sight.., and for H. Tango, they have a photo of a very dark flower (courtesy of a forum member) and it looks just like the bloom that KAVB registered as H. Tango. At least someone has the right bloom!!! (Wink M!).

The tan pedicels still throw me. Maybe those blooms are a sport of H. La Paz!! Still gravitating towards LaPango!
;-)
K

My Tango, as it will be sold here in Europe
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Looks like the KAVB registered one as far as I can see! MORE red for sure!!
;-)
K