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Need help germinating seeds with reticulatum in them

Posted by dondeldux 6b (My Page) on
Sat, May 3, 14 at 8:50

Hopefully some one can help me.

I had about 1/2 dozen seedpods on Santos that produced small numbers of large jet black seeds with a large embryos inside and some of them have been soaking for over 3 weeks now with no signs what-so-ever of any germination. I am assuming due to the striped leaves and overly large seeds that somewhere in Santos' lineage there lurks reticulatum. Autumn Pink Lady also produced the same type of seeds, a few well formed black with the extra large embryos and none of them will germinate either.

My only hope now in getting any seeds with Santos' genes in them now lies (for the moment) in a large seedpod of Exotic Star x Santos. I suppose I should expect the same seeds with large embroyos that won't germinate?

Is there anything other than the usual soaking that I should have done? I have 3 more seedpods on Santos that are about to open, another self, another x Autumn Pink Lady and believe it or not x Party Pooper!

I know some of you have had Santos for years and am wonder what crosses that you have made that were successful? (and how in the world did you get them to germinate!!)

By the way, this has been the absolute worst year for me for getting seedpods to form let alone getting them to germinate. It's probably a blessing in disguise though as I have close to 2 dozen crosses from last year that are growing merrily along and will need to be repotted this summer and take up more room.

Thanks in advance,


This post was edited by dondeldux on Sun, Jun 1, 14 at 8:08

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RE: Need help germinating seeds with reticulatum in them

Hi Donna,

I had to go hunting to find these seedlings, which my records indicate were planted directly into soil in 2009. The first two crosses produced one or two seedlings with variegated leaves.

• Santos x Sumatra
• Santos x Rembrandt van Rijn
• Santos x H. papilio

I think that we’ve discussed the fact that my original Santos bulbs have remained very small in comparison to the giants that were available in fall 2013. Presently, I am waiting for several seedpods to ripen on the new Santos bulbs. Only time will tell if the pods yield viable seed.

There is one more observation that I can provide. I also received some cybister Chico and cybister Lima bulbs that looked like bulbs on steroids. The scapes produced by these bulbs were very thick and about 30” tall. However, pollination attempts all failed. In contrast, my older bulbs of these varieties, which have remained relatively small, readily accepted pollen from several compatible donors. For the moment, it appears to me that the propagation methods used to produce these humongous bulbs may have adversely affected their fertility.



RE: Need help germinating seeds with reticulatum in them

Hi Donna,

My Santos is just beginning to bloom so I don't have any experience with that one yet. However, I had 2 pods on Picotee that were crossed with Autumn Pink Lady. Just when they looked like they were going to ripen, the stalk began collapsing. I decided that I was going to lose them anyway so I waited as long as I dared and then pulled them off and opened them. I salvaged 8 seeds from one pod and 9 seeds from the other. There was very little of the papery part of the seed but as you said, it was black and the embryo was exceptionally large and full. Whether or not they will germinate is anyone's guess but I planted them anyway. I don't soak my seeds so they went directly in the soil. That was only a week or so ago so I am waiting. Then yesterday, I had a large pod from the Autumn Pink Lady. Again, they were large, black, shiny and with very large embryos. There were 33 seeds that I planted from that one. I have another huge pod on Autumn Pink Lady that is still a little green. Only time will tell if I get any germination from any of these.

I have to agree on the pollination this year. They swell and look like they are going to develop but after a week or so, they abort. I've been wondering what I have been doing wrong. Of course, it seems like all the crosses I really want to take are the ones that don't. I already have plenty started this year too but it is too much fun trying for something different. :)

Keep us posted on your results. They probably just need more time. It is my understanding that while it is unusual, it can sometimes take up to 6 weeks to germinate.

Good luck!


RE: Need help germinating seeds with reticulatum in them

Hurray!! Look at this little guy, Santos x Chico!! Only 5 seeds in the pod and this one is jobbing out!! There is another trying to germinate but it is weak. Look at the stripe!!


I have a few other Santos crosses attempting to germinate too but it's too soon for a picture, I'm encouraged!!

RE: Need help germinating seeds with reticulatum in them

Great news!!

RE: Need help germinating seeds with reticulatum in them

WOW! What a sweet and robust stripe-leafed seedling. Grow, grow, grow!


RE: Need help germinating seeds with reticulatum in them

I am thrilled to report that I've got some great news on the Santos germinating seeds saga! It took about 6 weeks or more for these seeds to finally get the message to start to germinate, just like Nancy said, and I had all but given up hope until a few weeks ago when all of a sudden many of them decided it was time!!

I still only have the one Santos x Chico which has been planted but the selfs are germinating like crazy ( I had several pods) as well as the Santos x Autumn Rose Ladies!!! I have several of these as well as 2 other pods that I harvested a few weeks later than the first and those are now just starting to germinate also!! I am really excited about this cross!! Also, I have a couple of Party Poopers x Autumn Pink Lady germinating as well. (seeds, not pods) and, I also have a few seeds of Santos x Party Pooper and Exotic Star x Party Pooper too!! If I had only known that the Santos x Autumn Pink Ladies and the selfs would germinate so well, I would have shared some as it now looks like I may have way over 20 of each!!

I know many of you also bought a Santos from Royal Colors and I'm wondering how many of you fared in the seedpod department.


This post was edited by dondeldux on Sun, Jun 1, 14 at 8:16

RE: Need help germinating seeds with reticulatum in them

That's great Donna! Cool that it passes on the striped foliage!

RE: Need help germinating seeds with reticulatum in them

Nice! I was going to suggest a little bottom heat if you transferred the seeds to a medium, but it looks like you have it under control! Way to go! :-)

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