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Posted by haweha 7/Germany/W (My Page) on
Fri, Jul 19, 13 at 4:57

H.papilio x ("Minerva" x "Picotee")


Siblings (1) and (2) from PapMinPic
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PapMinPic1 is possibly the most spectacular Knight Star Lily that I have ever created
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PapMinPic2 - their maiden bloom 2 years later after PapMinPic1
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I pollinated almost my whole lot of bloom from "Striped Panther" from "PapMinPic1" - it is fair to assume that I can expect but very little seed from this crosspollination [DIP] x [TET] if AT ALL.
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Interestingly, the flowers would fade almost immediately; less than 24 hours after I had dusted - THEM FRAGRANT FLOWERS

Follow-Up Postings:

RE: PapMinPic

It is great to be seeing more of your crosses! The new one may not be as striking as its sibling, but is beautiful nonetheless. Thanks for sharing.


RE: PapMinPic

Dear Hans-Werner,

Truly remarkable. I love how the petals of PapMinPic1 gently curl back a bit to emphasize beauty of this bloom. The color/markings are very striking.


RE: PapMinPic

  • Posted by haweha 7/Germany/W (My Page) on
    Fri, Jul 19, 13 at 9:26

Very well observed Kristi!
This subtle folding, of the two lower part of the lower Tepals on the left and right side, enhances the attractiveness of the flower a lot. BTW: PapDon2 does exactly the same thing (but PapDon1 does not, nor does PapMinPic2).
As far as I remember, the flowers of "Fledermaus"="Mocca" do the same. But I must look this up

Partial folding

  • Posted by haweha 7/Germany/W (My Page) on
    Fri, Jul 19, 13 at 9:31

Very obvious in PapDon2

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RE: PapMinPic

Both are very lovely!!!
I do like PapMinPic1 also for it's clean and well defined beauty. :-)
Good luck with your Stripe Panther pollination. Hopefully the siblings would inherit the fragrance and most importantly, Stripe Panther's flower count.
Question: Do you still consider PapMinPic as a TET even if they have diploid genes (papilio) in them?
Thanks for sharing your pretties!!!

This post was edited by mariava7 on Fri, Jul 19, 13 at 9:50

RE: PapMinPic


Very beautiful, once again. I'm still in love with PapDon2 though... Here is a picture of Mocca for your comparisons...


RE: PapMinPic


All of your crosses are so beautiful. You have been so successful with your crosses that it is almost impossible for me to pick a favorite - especially since I love the elegance of papilio.

Question: Are there many cultivars available of papilio and are there differences. (self fertile, set seeds, appearance etc). Thank you.

RE: PapMinPic

  • Posted by haweha 7/Germany/W (My Page) on
    Wed, Jul 24, 13 at 18:11

Thank you all, for commenting!
"PapMinPic1" and "PapDon" (1 and 2) are all self fertile and they are all capable of pollinating "Ambiance" - which means they BEHAVE like TETraploids.
Maiden bloom of "PapMinPic1" had been an umbel of 3 florets, and 4 flowers the season thereafter, and now 2 only - I do not know why...
Donna, thank you for showing "Mocca" I wonder whether it is indeed a Papilio hybrid.
As to H.papilio itself, my only experiences are from the "common" clone which is traded worlwide..

RE: PapMinPic


If you click on the link Leena provided in her seeds in Arctica thread it will take you to Mauro's Brazilian website which lists and shows pictures of several different strains of h. papilio...


This post was edited by dondeldux on Wed, Jul 24, 13 at 18:33

RE: PapMinPic

Fell in love with your flowers... Especially PapMinPic.
Question - how is it possible to pollinate papilio with 2 other varieties, isn't it one 'mother' and one 'father' flowers in the end?
Such a beauty!

RE: PapMinPic

I think I misunderstood the question so I removed my answer... ;-)

This post was edited by dondeldux on Wed, Jul 31, 13 at 16:29

RE: PapMinPic

Thank you Donna!
It all makes sense to me now and I will definitely try to pollinate my flowers next time.
Although it's hard to have such strikingly good results as haweha did :)


RE: PapMinPic


I'm not sure if the question you asked was correctly anwsered by me as I think I may have misunderstood what you were asking and I probably should have let Hans-Werner answer. So, I am going to remove my answer...;-)


RE: PapMinPic


I don't know if I understood either, and hope that Hans-Werner may provide some insight. I have attached a thread from 2 years ago where he provides photos of many of his crosses.

Instead of 2 pollen parents, it only appears to be 2 because the pollen donor may have been a cross of X and Y.

Here is a link that might be useful: Miscellanous Hippeastrums 2nd set of 2011

RE: PapMinPic

Okay I understand...

(A x B) x (C x D)
the primary hybrids (primary=in regard to my breeding project or family tree if you will)
A x B
C x D
were created in the first place.
Then these primary hybrids were crosspollinated
(H.papilio) x ("Minerva" x "Picotee")
a hybrid from "Minerva" x "Picotee"
had been used to pollinate H.papilio.
I could also have written
H.papilio x "MinPic"
if you will.
The appearance of this "MinPic"="Minerva x "Picotee"
had been:
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