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Greetings and question regarding H. reticulatum
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Posted by betonklotz (My Page) on Sat, Nov 7, 09 at 8:23
| Hi,
I'm new to this forum and just wanted to make a short introduction to myself. I'm a university student in the north-east of Germany and the little space my shared flat has to offer is taken over by my Hippeastrum plants (and a few other ones). I started crossing by pollinating my regular white one with my parent's red one when I was still living with them. From that on I fell into these splendid plants and even though my windowsill space is overcrowded I'm still ordering new ones. I just wanted to show you a snapshot of my plants before they moved in their winter residence ;)
On top there's my cross (I guess it's something like 'Christmas Gift' x 'Royal Velvet') from May 2007, I hope they're ready to bloom!
The unlabled is 'Sydney', in the black pot there's (you might have guessed it) 'Minerva'
And I wanted to ask you a question regarding my H. reticulatum: I got it via Ebay from Thailand and it hasn't moved since a month. Here are two pictures:
Fungus on the base plate
Bulb at the moment in a honey jar ...
What can I do to make it advance? I've raised the temperature in my room but still it doesn't to anything ... |
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RE: Greetings and question regarding H. reticulatum
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| I think I would wash off the mold, then coat the damp basal plate liberally with captan or what ever garden fungicide you might have or find available. I would then let it air dry for 2 or 3 days, then plant it in a medium that does not retain water. Try to keep the moisture level just below the base of the bulb so it has to put out roots to reach the water. |
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- Posted by jodik 5 Central IL (My Page) on
Sat, Nov 7, 09 at 11:42
| Welcome to the forum! We're so glad to have you join us! :-) By now, I'm sure you know my feelings on mediums, so I won't go there. I will tell you how I would have handled the bulb in question, though. I would have cleaned off the basal plate, and dusted it with an anti-fungal powder. Then, I would have planted it in a small clay pot with a porous medium. (Those are just my preferences, however.) Some bulbs simply take a while to get moving above the soil line, and will spend time growing a good root system first. I can't see the sides of the glass container in the photograph, so I'm not sure what the roots look like... they may be growing into their new home, and this may be where the bulb is putting its energy right now. It also could be that the bulb is resting. I have a tiny Hadeco Peach Blossom bulb that rested for an entire year before deciding to grow its first leaf. It currently has two beautiful green leaves, but it took forever to get growing! I almost gave up on it! Other than being patient, I'm not sure what you can do to hurry it along. I assume it's being fed? In which case, I'd say, just be patient... if it has decent roots, it should begin growing soon. The bulb, itself, looks healthy... and if the fungus is taken care of, then it's only a matter of time before leaves appear. This type of question is more Maria's field... or perhaps another of our esteemed, more experienced growers can help... anyone? Again... welcome! Stick around... the forum is about to get busy and very colorful, as members begin to show their newest bulbs and lovely blooms! |
RE: Greetings and question regarding H. reticulatum
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| Ohhhhh.... a young "Sir Hans" to be!!! Welcome! In my experience with these retics, if you acquire them at this season (cold) like your pictured one, no leaves and roots, they will take a while to show growth (leaves). This does not mean that they are not developing though. I did the very same thing last year and acquired some of these bulbs. They did nothing for me the whole winter but their bulbs stayed healthy and firm. They would grow some roots now but would grow leaves when the temperature gets warmer and the air more humid (spring). Once they are established and grown for a season, they will be fine and will handle the cold dry winter months better. My established reticulatums are actually still awake and growing leaves right now. I would recommend very careful watering at this stage of your reticulatum bulb and try to keep in the warmest place in your growing area. Water a little bit more and fertilize once leaf growth shows. Reticulatums here in my growing conditions like lesser watering (dry-ish roots)but humid conditions (some moisture in leaves...slight misting helps). Kinda hard to provide in the Northern climate but not impossible. Good luck!!! By the way, you have a very good amaryllis forum in Germany named "Exoten"(?). I tried to go and join them there once but had a hard time translating. I have a few German amaryllis friends that are members there. It would have been nice to chat with them in their amaryllis "home". If ever you get to visit that forum, please send my warmest "hello" to Hans Werner (moderator) and "Fishing Dentist". Your hippeastrums are looking healthy and clean and so ready to go to their winter sleep. Good job!!! |
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"Ohhhhh.... a young "Sir Hans" to be!!!" Oh, please no! I woudn't want to compete with haweha! ;) I'm actually a member of the Exotenforum, but I coudn't get a satisfying answer there jet. I have no idea who this "Fishing Dentist" could be, does he have an other nicname? Right, so i'll keep the temperature up (it'll cost me a more to heat the room up to ~20+°C, but should be better for myself too ... I tend to heat as little as possible) I'll keep an eye out for fungicides, but I'm always a bit wary with chemicals. I grow most of my Hippeastrums in the room I'm also sleeping and working in. Till now I never had to use any kind of pesticides ... I've been checking these forums for some time now and did often see some varieties here I didn't knew of before. I try to approach the care of my plants with a more scientific point of view. I'm also doing lots of botany at the university (at the moment genetics, so my own crosses also serve to reconstruct Mendel's Laws ;) ) Thanks for the nice welcome and the quick replies! I have a lot of pictures of my blooms from this year, if you're interested? |
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- Posted by jodik 5 Central IL (My Page) on
Sun, Nov 8, 09 at 9:07
| A cost effective way to keep the heat concentrated where you need it... a heating pad for plants. Bottom heat usually helps with root growth, seed germination, and a myriad of other plant issues. I keep a heating pad ready for use with seeds, cuttings, rooting, and twin scaling of bulbs. I bought mine for about $24 at Harbor Freight, but anywhere that sells seed starting equipment should have them. And, yes! We're always interested in seeing bloom pictures! Please do share! :-) |
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| Place that sells seed starting equipment? Meh, I guess my chances aren't high getting one here. I'd rather search for a seller online. Orange Sovereign in the bright afternoon light. Sadly the glitter didn't really made it on the photograph. I got this Minerva bulblet from someone on the Exotenforum. This double, I guess it was Nymph, was sent to me instead of Picotee. I don't like doubles at all, so I gave it away. The seller now sent me a replacement, hope that one turns out to be Picotee. Sydney is my favourite red-striped one. My biggest bulb, it produced 11 leaves. I hope there will be more next year! It produced 3 scrapes! Here's a closeup. I guess my favorite breed is Amputo. My 3 bulbs sit in one container an seemed to like it, One did produce 2 scrapes. Also in a big community-pot, the small, multiple-flowering Supreme Garden. I especially like the green star in the center. Those pots are actual hanging baskets, they're more or less a half sphere and work quite well for multiple bulbs. |
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| Hey! It is so wonderful to see you here, and yes, betonkloz is translated to Concrete Block and my dear friend has been sharing private messages with me for a few years on the German forum. Carl, I am so pleased that you have joined this forum! Sooner or later, I will have more time to talk to you. I just received the news that my mother is dieing from pancreatic cancer. She is too ill from complications to let her know that. It is so very wonderful to see you here! I am sort of at a loss of words because of the other things in my life, but I am excited that you are here. Thank you, Thank You, Thank YOU! Stay and enjoy! Your English is superb! Ann |
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Oh Ann, Don't you think that's one or two "thank you"s too much? Do I really deserve 3? ;) Thanks for the compliments on my English, I have to say that I owe it to Hollywood, hehehe. ;) I'm sorry to hear about your mother, I guess you've got a lot of things on your mind but plants and I'll sure keep you in my mind. I hope you're holding up well and I wish you all the best! |
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| So you are "Carl". NIce to know you! I spent some time in Germany a couple of years ago and enjoyed it so very much. My dad's family came from there long ago and it was an ancestoral memory trip for me. What area of Germany are you in? I enjoyed your photographs and what you are doing with your amaryllis! Keep up the good work and I hope to see you chatting with us often! I started out on this list 3 years ago and now I have around 150 amaryllis and 60 seedlings I am raising. THere would be many more but I work on the plan of survival of the fittest. My goal is raising flowers for my cut flower business, a very small local one. |
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| Carl! You deserve more than three, and I am sorry not to be able to visit your German forum as often. I miss that. I guess that we all have to go through periods of our lives, where we feel that everything is out of our control. But, somehow, we survive! It brings a smile to my face that you joined gardenweb and decided to contribute. SO! YES! You deserve three thanks and many more! Now, tell us more about your Amputo seedlings. I am curious because the translation from German to English on your home forum left me at a loss... Ann |
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| Ann, so sorry to hear about your Mom. Carl, nice bulb that you have. And did I understand correctly that you have Amputo seedlings? That's one bulb I wasn't able to successfully cross. What did you cross it with? (and welcome, by the way) Alana |
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| Ann, Sorry to hear about your mum. I wish you a lot of strengh in this difficult time. Carl, i looove your flower pictures. Simply gorgeous! |
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@Lily: I'm native of the Ruhr Area, but I'm now studying in Greifswald at the Baltic Sea. A friend of mine who's from Minnesota now studies in Greifswald. His ancestors are also part from Germany. I'd love to cultivate that amount of Hippeastrums, but I have no possibility to grow them outside since the cold and wet period is way to long to take them inside. @Ann: Nothing special here. I didn't succeed in pollinating the Amputo with the varieties I wanted to cross. It was the last to flower and I didn't preserve most of the other pollen. Luckily the Sydney emerged the third scrape at that time and was happy to receive the Amputo pollen! Of my Amputo x Sydney cross none of the seeds germinated. But I did sent some to "ty" from the Exotenforum and at his a few of the seeds did. My Sydney x Ampute seedlings are doing fine but are the smallest. Here are my crosses from this year, "weiße" is a friend's unnamed white one, which had very fine red lining (I guess because of the good feeding):
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- Posted by jodik 5 Central IL (My Page) on
Sun, Nov 8, 09 at 21:39
| Ann, I'm so sorry to hear about your mother... your family is in my prayers. I nursed my own mother through leukemia, so I have a bit of insight... many hugs, and many prayers. Carl, the heating pads I have were purchased along with seed starting flats. They came with a clear plastic cover, like a mini-greenhouse for seed germination. I imagine you could find one where ever plant and garden supplies are sold. The pad is the exact size of a flat, and I find them perfect for helping roots to grow, or for rooting cuttings, and for seed starting. Any source of mild bottom heat would work, as long as it's not too warm, I think. The heating pads are rather convenient, though, and I'm glad I found them. |
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On the German forum there are some people who use these, I'll ask them where they got them. I do live in a small-town, the range of articles available here is quite thin. Especially something with such a specific purpose will be hard to find here in the local hardware store (I don't know what would be the correct translation that gives you a good idea on what those stores sell. They're usually pretty big and sell everything for DIY-work, like construction and carpentry.) Their gardening sections are usually poorly equipped. |
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- Posted by jodik 5 Central IL (My Page) on
Mon, Nov 9, 09 at 8:06
| I live in a small town, too... the nearest larger retail shopping area is about a 20 minute drive, which we make once a month or so, for supplies. Here, the smaller stores that cater to do-it-yourself projects would be called "Hardware Stores", and the larger DIY stores would be termed "Home Improvement Centers". Poorly equipped garden sections are a problem here, too. If I can't find what I'm looking for at one of the stores, I usually look it up online. I don't like paying the shipping charges, but I suppose it can be worth it when it comes to the convenience of having things delivered right to my door! Last winter, we set up a large seed starting area in the basement. I wanted at least one table to have a bottom heat source for starting picky seeds and some of the seedlings we had ordered, but I couldn't afford to buy a large table sized professional heating mat, like the ones used by large commercial greenhouse growers. So, we used a rigid heating mat designed for use in pig breeding operations. (I'm not sure what the right name for that would be.) It's a large orange plastic item with heat coils running through it, and we attached it to a thermostat so we could adjust the heat. It worked out very well for our application, I'm happy to say. I think a heat mat designed for reptile tanks might work, as well... as long as the heat can be adjusted, and it's not too warm. Interestingly enough, items from farming and/or the pet industry can be utilized in gardening, and be just what we need! Take the fir bark reptile bedding that I use as part of my medium mix... who would have thought that reptile bedding would be exactly what I needed? I certainly didn't! Anyway, I wish you luck in locating a small heating pad... I will say that I'm glad I found one for my own use... it really seems to help with coaxing root growth in reluctant bulbs, and for seed germination. |
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| You seem to be somewhat creative in finding the right place to look for the things you need. I tend to not having a clue where to start my search ;) |
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- Posted by jodik 5 Central IL (My Page) on
Mon, Nov 9, 09 at 20:04
| Well, I've probably just been lucky... I've had the opportunity to be involved with many different areas of life... such as dairy farming, canine breeding, greenhouse and garden center work, semi driving from coast to coast... just to name a few. So, I've sort of learned that you have to think in many different terms when you're looking for something special. Probably the easiest way to locate something unusual is to Google it... and then see where the results take you. Or, if you are at all handy, you could devise your own plant heat mat from one used for people... simply make sure you can adjust the heat, and make certain that a bit of moisture won't hurt it. The pharmacy and health industry will have heating pads... and I even think that some can be used as moist heat... although, I'm not sure of what temperature range one of those pads would have... they surely have a low setting, though. Or, you could devise a buffer between the actual pad and the bottom of the pots or flat. All it takes is a little bit of imagination, and a real need for the item in question! :-) |
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Thursday I planted my newly ordered bulbs into a 1 part perlite to 2 parts fir bark -mix The fir bark is exactly the same reptilian bedding that Jodik's using (says big on the bag "the #1 selling reptilian bark" ... as well in Germany as in America I guess!). First thing I noticed with the new substrate is that it doesn't have water-holding capacities comparable to cocofibre. I poured 4 liters of warm water into the pot and nearly everything flowed out. Well, let's see how well this'll work once the plants are established (the bulbs had really few roots, but I'm happy about the porous medium now, since I had to cut a bit deeper into one of the bulb's necks to get the red parts out (how is this fungus called in English?)) |
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- Posted by jodik 5 Central IL (My Page) on
Sat, Nov 21, 09 at 8:46
| I believe the fungus is called Fusarium, or red blotch? The pine bark will hold a certain amount of moisture, but you will have to water more often than if you use a more water retentive medium. You can soak the pine chips over night, and then drain them, before mixing into medium, but it's not entirely necessary. You will also want to feed a weak solution of liquid fertilizer often, too. I feed at about half, or less, strength every time I water. The nice thing is that you have total control over all moisture and feed. There will be little to no soil collapse, so the medium will last a long time. If you want more moisture retention, you can add turface or vermiculite to your mix... these are both more retentive than just the perlite and pine bark. Here's a website on Bonsai that discusses the different ingredients of inorganic mediums... it also lists the different brand names for other countries, so you may find something you can utilize. Read the entire page... it has listings and pictures of product packaging from almost every country around the world, including Germany. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Bonsai Basics - Cat Litter as Bonsai Soil
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Those heaters for waterbeds are perfect for plants. I've got a couple that I scored free from people getting rid of water beds. Great pics, thanks for sharing. Tally HO! |
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- Posted by jodik 5 Central IL (My Page) on
Sat, Nov 21, 09 at 11:33
| I never thought of that, Tally... good suggestion! And they're rather large, too, right? So, you could bottom heat a lot of seed flats, or seedlings, or cuttings, etc... That's a really great idea! Necessity is the mother of invention, they say! |
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"You will also want to feed a weak solution of liquid fertilizer often, too. I feed at about half, or less, strength every time I water." That's exactly how I did it before and how I wanted o continue to water (from below) ;) I did think about catlitter when I was in the petstore where I got the bark. If it's just fired clay I should also be able to use this "light expanded clay aggregate", there's a german brand, Seramis, whose products are used for hydro-culture. I used it before as a draining layer, perhaps I'll mix somewhat of it into my soil. |
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| Oh, I forgot. I wanted to show you all my new treasures: Emerald with a bulblet
Papilio pushing a flower stake
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- Posted by jodik 5 Central IL (My Page) on
Tue, Nov 24, 09 at 11:22
| Wonderful! I love Papillio Butterfly! One of my favorites! And any flower with a green in the name is ok by me! I love green and part green flowers! Looking good! |
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I've never seen a papilio bloom in real life, I'm sooo excited! :) I hope the Emerald won't wait too long with it's bloom since I wanted to cross both of them. My Picotee doesn't seem to be flowering this year, it's rather busy splitting into two! Looks interesting, but I would have loved to try to pollinate the papilio with it ... ;) All my other plants will be in a friends basement till January ... any idea which cross would be interesting then? |
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- Posted by manfredk SouthTyrol Italy z8 (My Page) on
Tue, Nov 24, 09 at 15:41
| betonklotz, I assume that the "Fishing Dentist" might be Dorschi. |
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- Posted by jodik 5 Central IL (My Page) on
Tue, Nov 24, 09 at 17:49
| Papillio is amazing up close, in person! You will love it! You could always save some of the pollen from your flowers, then pollinate when the others come into bloom. I have sent pollen to others, and I have read about several people who save their pollen for later use. I haven't done so, myself, but I know it's possible. A search within the forum will net plenty of results on how to save and store it. My Emerald, received last year, had some rot issues... I was forced to perform major surgery on it in order to save its life. I performed cuttage on the bulb, and was lucky enough to have several tiny bulblets grow from the pieces. It will be quite some time before I am able to enjoy a bloom, but that's ok... at least I saved it! I think you will greatly enjoy both your Emerald and your Papillio! They are both gorgeous flowers! It seems that Papillio has two distinct bulb forms, each from different growers. We discussed it quite a while ago... and it was determined that there is a round bulb version, and an elongated version. I have an elongated bulb. Papillio is the bulb sitting on the top shelf, right at the corner. Notice the shape...
Here's the bulb when I first received it...
And here it is in bloom...
Yours seems to be the more rounded version. Mine was purchased through Royal Colors, and I think we had talked about the fact that others who got their bulbs through Royal Colors also had a more elongated bulb shape. Anyway... it's really quite interesting! I'm very excited to see how your flowers look when open! I think there was a slight variation between the blooms of the two different shaped bulbs... if memory serves correctly. Awaiting your blooms with much anticipation! |
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Hmm, interesting. I know via Haweha that the clone sold mostly in Europe is a selfincompatible one (there should be a selfcompatible one lurking around), I never heard about the bulbs shape. I did hear about variation in the colour pattern. Well, we'll see. Mine does seem a little more elongated compared to my other bulbs but yours does strike a really interesting shape. When it has bloomed I will put in on the bright south window where it's slightly colder. I got pollen from a friend (my cross Minerva x "weiße" Isn't this an intriguing white one? Any idea what's it's name? [gotta love the garden gnome in their neighbors yard ^^]) and have stored pollen, best thing to do is just to leave it exposed so it can dry out well. But I have no other Diploid which could receive the papilio pollen ... @Manfred: Oh, of course I know him. @Mariava: That I can do now, yes! ;) |
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| Betonklotz...Thanks! Don't you have a nickname we can call you? Use the search engine of the forum on "Papilio". You will find loads of information since way back in 2006. Sir Hans (Haweha) frequently comes to this forum during those earlier years. He has taught us a lot in here specially about papilios. I really wish he'd drop by once in a while. Hmmmmm...Maybe I'd try to visit Exoten again and surprise Haweha and Dorschi! |
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| Klotz (= block) will work ;) (Good thing is you don't have to pronounce it, I guess you'd have quite a lot of problems if you don't speak at least a bit German!) Haweha also wrote a lot on the German forum, he wrote a compendium for the care of Hippeastrum with a special paragraph for the species H. papilio. It's well to read and easier for me in German. I do think I read some of his posts back then here regarding the possibilities to cross with papilio and so on, which I found via google search. |
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- Posted by jodik 5 Central IL (My Page) on
Wed, Nov 25, 09 at 5:18
| Ooh! That's a beautiful white! I like the very faint red striping on the upper petals, and they seem to be quite thick and substantial. Very nice! And, of course, I love the green eye! It's so interesting to see slight signs of a flower's genetic history... and to be able to put a name to some of the ancestors, even though they may only be guesses. Yes, Sir Hans is greatly missed... he taught us a lot about certain aspects of the Hippeastrum. I miss seeing photos of his blooms! |
Christmas Gift, Intokazi, Matterhorn, President Johnson, Wedding
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| That's why I needed her for my crosses. Those linings just showed up in high age when this friend of mine was feeding her with water from his aquarium with added liquid fertilizer. It's his oldest plant and the bulb has a huge circumference ... I would love to know the name of this variety, but when I compare this photograph with pictures online of simple whites ones I have problems to see the slight differences but to also include the normal variations that every flower shows. I know, while Haweha is still active on the Exotenforum I haven't seen one of his superb crosses recently. |
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| betonklotz-I shared much of my pollen with others for their crossings last year. If you wish, I would be happy to send you pollen as I get it. I have maybe 30 different amaryllis. Is there something in particular you want? I can list them for you if you like. I am always happy to share with Amaryllis lovers, especially enjoy sharing globally! I can send you an album link if you want to wade thru a ton of photos. |
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| Cindeea, thank you so much. That's really a nice offer of yours. But now that I have to think about it, I'm not coming up with anything. There are a couple of big-flowering hybrids I would like to try but you know, chances are pretty low that I get one of the flowers I expect pollinated. Red Pearl or any other variety that's that dark I'd love to give a try. I especially love this one but I'll find a way to add it to my collection. So any really dark cross would be great. Lipstick, Siberia and Masai are crosses I never found in any international shop. I especially like the three of them since they're having so few red marks and would be an interesting pollinator for papilio. Cideea, I guess chances are low that you have one of these particular ones and from the other red-white I would try Ambience but Haweha allready did this, so I won't go there. I'd love to create something completely new ;) Oh, I forgot, x jonsonii would be great too! There is so much variety in this cross that the outcome would be quite mixed. I'd love to try yellow ones and pink ones ... perhaps Starlet, Candy Floss, Yellow Goddess Oh and Yumemitai would be superb. Oh god, you got me started. And yes, I'd love to struggle through tons of pics! |
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| Haha I love your enthusiasm, betonklotz. Please tell me your first name, betonklotz is a tongue twister! OK here's a link to my 2007-08 album full of photos-not just blooms, but pots, seed pods etc. And who is to say they will bloom in time to match yours. I will alert you as they come up. And I have others not in this album-not so many reds, though. Right now I have Striatum pollen(see my post of Miss Ethel). Her pollen is very good with many small, trumpet types. I have had success with Magic Green, Misty and a couple others. As well as Johnsonii I also have Vlammenspel and Vitattum-both are red/white mixes. I will let you know as they bloom. Also, Maria, Blanca and others can tell you how long Pollen can last and how to store it if you want to wait for specific flowers to bloom. Best of luck to you and I will look forward to talking more. give my best to Sir Hans!! He is a wonderful man and I wish he would visit us here more. He has shared so much My album: |
Here is a link that might be useful: Amaryllis 2007-2008
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| Congratulations on your Papilio, betonklotz. That's the one that I blame for my addiction! I find it interesting what you say about jonsonii, perhaps that's why I feel so confused about which flower actually is jonsonii. I do need to do some more research. |
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RE: Johnsonii
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| Those are pictures from my Mom's neighbor's yard. My Mom died last Sunday, so I have had very little sleep and time to do anything. I have more pics, but no time to look for them now... I hope the ones that I posted helps. Johnsonii is quite special! Ann |
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| Hi Clancy, till now I just saw different pictures of the johnsonii online. Some where white with red lines, some where red with a white star? If all the flowers on these pictures where really johnsonii then it has to be that a primary-hybrid inhabits lots of variation ... since lots of Hippeastrum have a self incompatible system, a big amount of their chromatomal settings are heterozygous. Perhaps that could be an explanation ... Cindee, I'm not that comfortable posting my real name online, but Ann already did it, I'm called Carl. I guess my first name won't hurt ... I do like all of these varieties but since it will just take a couple of weeks before papilio opens it's flowers (I hope it hurries, I won't be here over the winter holidays) it would be a bit hasty now. Tanks again for your offer, I'd love to share in future with you! But if I now ask for pollen from you, you're then hurrying to get it to me before the 17th. December (don't know how long a letter takes from America to Europe), then papilio's flower has to be open ... and if I don't succeed in pollinating one of the blooms it was all for nothing. First thing I'll do is to store papilio's pollen and try it the other way round ... perhaps even the reticulatum decides to flower somewhen next year ... |
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| (((Ann))) Hugs sweetie. I have been thinking of you and your Mom, may she sleep peacefully. OK Carl, there, that's easier to see. Me, I just put it all out there! Lol Anyway, if you wish pollen or seeds from me anytime, just let me know. I have a pap that has been to young to Bloom thus far. Hopefully it will get the itch this winter. |
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- Posted by jodik 5 Central IL (My Page) on
Fri, Nov 27, 09 at 11:33
| Dear Ann, may I echo Cindee sentiments... peace be to your Mom. Hugs to you... it's a difficult time, I know. You're always in my prayers. Those are beautiful pictures of H. Johnsonii... I love the clumps around that tree! I keep wishing that I could grow them out in the gardens... what a sight that would be! But, they are relegated to indoor shelves... oh well. Larry and I have been known on the internet practically since its inception... mainly through our old kennel websites, bulletin boards, and forums... so, it's really no big deal to us! We don't do online banking, or anything that a criminal could use, so it doesn't really matter, I suppose! If someone is looking for us, they'll find us anyway! I'm very interested to see how Carl's Papillio looks! I want to compare it to mine and others that have been posted. I, too, have a couple of young Papillio bulbs... too young to bloom, though. I'm hoping for flowers within the next couple of years. |
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| Ann, I haven't seen your post before I wrote my last one here, you know that it can take me a while to get my English writings together. Now again I am stuck because I don't know how to express myself, but I hope that you will understand my intentions either way. I'm really sorry, I know that you've been through a lot lately and I wish you all the strength you need right now. I have seen pictures of your mothers plants that you posted on the exotenforum. I hope that these plants will flower for you in the future to remind you of your mother and to help you in your grief ... Just now the last of the hundreds of flowers on my Schlumbergera-cactus are opening. It's a cutling from a huge plant that was in my grandmothers possession. It's been in our family for a long time. It's a nice reminder and it made my smile to see it in full bloom. |
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This picture is not perfect ... already most of the splendour's gone (ok, it weren't hundreds of flowers but close to!) Cindee, I just pollinate so few that I can take care of the seedlings ... I've said it like a thousand times now, I just run out of space (Ok, everybody here probably does, but with three windows I'm pretty limited). Jodik: Perhaps we could share papilio pollenand check whether we can obtain papilio seed this way. But maybe mine isn't papilio at all! |
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Carl, that Cactus is gorgeous! I've never seen it grown into a tree shape like that before. Mostly I let mine cascade down the side of the pot & shelf. I've got to try that. I imagine that the "trunk" part is very old, though. Alana |
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| Thanks a lot Alana! I do like the form too. What I did was to cut the segments that just had one semgent attached to them and those that grew thin and long. When it's ready with flowering, I'll cut again some of the segments, I can post pictures then. |
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| Dear Ann, I'm so sorry to hear of your mother's passing. Mum's are special people, and more so when they're good friends. I really appreciate your help with Johnsonii, they're beautiful photos. Sometime down the line I'd like to post photos of the ones I have here, one of which is from my mother's garden. Thank you for your information betonklotz (how about BK?). I really enjoy trying to learn more, though I know I've got a long way to go yet. Your Schlumbergera is lovely - and I can imagine hundreds of flowers on it. I think your shaping is really effective and shows the flowers off differently to a 'cascade'. I know those as 'Zygo' cactus. Jodik, I've just had another look at your Papilio (I think it's a great photo, by the way) and mine has slightly different patterns. I must now check the bulb shape. |
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- Posted by jodik 5 Central IL (My Page) on
Sat, Nov 28, 09 at 22:28
| First of all... your English is excellent, Carl! You express yourself very well! I have a friend that lives in Upper Swabia, and she tells me that English is a required class in school... she speaks English practically better than I do! I'm amazed at how well most of Europe converses in English, and it's rather embarrassing that I don't know any other languages! Second... your beautiful Schlumbergera looks like a flowering bonsai tree! It's really gorgeous! I love the trunk, and the pot its planted in... it's perfect! If my Papillio blooms this spring, I will save and store the pollen. I can then send it to you, if you like. I don't know if it will bloom this coming spring... it didn't bloom this past one. But if it does, I would be happy to share its pollen! "Short on space" is a term I'm very familiar with... although, I don't let it stop me from shoving just one more bulb in! I did some shuffling of pots today, so my Christmas cactus could have a cooler place next to a window. Tomorrow, I plan to move a few resting bulbs from upper shelves to lower shelves... and to re-pot some young seedlings into hanging baskets. I have no choice but to go up! I have plenty of space for hanging baskets! Once again... that's a lovely cacti bonsai! The flowers are so pretty... but it's the plant form I really like! |
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| Clancy, BK is all right with me, sounds like DK - Donkey Kong ... The Schlumbergera has seen rougher times, I guess just now I am treating it right. I want to take more off from the sides so that it can grow in height. It's a really artificial habitus but it also reduces the space the plant need on the windowsill. When the cacti are exposed to a lot of light they turn red-ish which is also nice. Tanks for the compliments on my English. I like the language a lot and I try to watch every American and British movie in English. Here in Germany everything is synchronized, mostly really well but I still prefer the original. I know my English is not perfect and when I'm writing I'm trying to improve and mostly work with an online dictionary in another window opened to use different vocabulary. If I do grammatical mistakes please point them out, that'll help me a lot! I now also have some lectures and seminars in English and working with English scientific texts will be more and more important in the future. If I'll find the right hanging basket, some of my plants will also go up! At least one for each window in my room. Once my papilio's opened I can send you pollen so when yours decides to flower we will have a proof that they're not clones! |
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- Posted by jodik 5 Central IL (My Page) on
Mon, Nov 30, 09 at 6:15
| English must be difficult to learn, having so much slang and so many different ways to say one thing. I couldn't imagine trying to learn it as a second language, especially with my poor memory! I think you're doing very well... who would have thought that television could play such a role in teaching and learning languages?! I've been thinking of using orchid baskets and an orchid type of medium for a couple of bulbs... mainly my two young Papillio bulbs, and maybe a cybister. A couple of species types grow more as epiphytes in their natural habitat, so why not try it? I think it sounds interesting! I'll post a photo of my Christmas cactus sometime later today... then you can see what rough looks like! This poor little guy is in sad shape right now! I hope the cooler windowsill will help. I'd like to see it bloom some day! |
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I think English is a rather simple language. What I like about it is that your relatively free, you can say stuff in a lot of ways and whenever your switching from a really simple sentence structure to a more unusually one, it always sounds good. I'm trying to re-learn French at the moment which is much more difficult. Especially because your not so easily exposed to it like English. I've had it in school for four years and forgot everything. I think I'm getting better but the progress is really slow ... I still looking for a hanging basked that's got a ... ok, here my english fails, I have no idea whether there's a word for it. Directly translated from German it would be "underpot", where the water from the pot can float in, I know you wrote it once, saying that you're using plastic ones with your clay pots because they're cheaper ... Ok, and I need such a thing attached to the hanging basket, otherwise I wouldn't be able to water from below! ;) Oh, what I wanted to write was that I've just been to the supermarket where they sold the Sonatini (I wrote about them in holantinas thread). Some of them had red marks on the stem and the bulb felt squashy ... I picked the last three ones that where in an acceptable condition: Their label said they where all white but I also saw a red-blooming one with a white label ... I put the half-litre malt beer bottle there for a size comparison. You can see how tiny the scrapes are.
I'm not sure if I should repot them now straight away ... |
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- Posted by jodik 5 Central IL (My Page) on
Mon, Nov 30, 09 at 10:11
| I think the term you're looking for is "drip saucer"... and they actually make a cheap, thin plastic type that hooks onto the underside of a hanging basket to catch excess water. I'm not sure if they would be available in Germany, though. You could always just bring the basket to the sink, water it, and then once it absorbs a good amount, take it back and hang it up. Those scapes look very tall and thin! I'm wondering if they might be a bit stretched from lack of proper light... though, I know you will provide them with a much better environment than they previously had! Depending on the current medium they're in, and how wet they are... well, I'd let them dry out quite a bit before watering again, and I think I'd leave them alone until after they bloom. But once they are finished, I would get them out of the pots and soil they're in, and re-pot them into better circumstances. Would you believe, I took two years of Spanish and two of French, and I barely remember any of it? Yep! At the time, I needed the credits to graduate, and taking a language was considered easy credits! I do use a bit of Spanish now and then, but the French is all but forgotten! Here is my Christmas cactus... it's in a 4" pot, and it's quite pathetic looking!
It's supposed to have white flowers, and it was in bud when I got it... the buds all dropped when I got it home, and it's been going downhill ever since. I'm surprised it has survived this long, at all! Hopefully, moving it to a cooler spot will help. |
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| I've googled for this product and just found plants already in such a kind of hanging basket ... I wouldn't like to buy the plants just to throw them away ... I did repot them since I couldn't endure the bad looks they had. The bulbs weren't as firm as they should be and their roots where jammed into these small pots so that I could pull most of them as a chunk, there where some red spots but nothing alarming. I put them in a nice claypot with the rest of the reptile bedding-perlite mix and added gravel and Seramis. The later one should reserve some more water. You cactus doesn't look to bad, just keep him on a somewhat light spot and don't overwater ... Well, if you're speaking some Spanish, thats good! But with French you probably made the same experience as I did, never used it anymore and there it goes ... |
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| I got bored and took two pictures: 
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- Posted by jodik 5 Central IL (My Page) on
Fri, Dec 4, 09 at 4:15
| Beautiful! They will look awesome all opened at once! Just like a giant bouquet! I love groupings of bulbs potted together... it's a lovely look! And your medium looks great, too! I took a look around at our local stores for those plastic saucers that attach to hanging baskets, but I couldn't find any... I think they might have put them away for the winter season. They'll make an appearance in spring, I'm sure, when the annuals and hanging baskets are displayed for sale. You could always devise your own attached saucers... I'm not sure exactly how you'd attach them, but if you could find the thin plastic pot saucers, I'm sure something could be made up. I buy them by the dozens... they're only about .29 cents apiece, and they help protect the wooden windowsills from moisture. Plus, they're a bit deeper than the clay saucers usually sold. |
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I thought about buying two, one of them in a size bigger than the other. This pot gets Big holes cut in the sides where the water comes in, the other gets small holes at the bottom. I could also just put a hanging basket up and place a regular pot in it but that'd look like an interim solution ... I'm thinking about improving the looks of my room. I'll get a couch soon from Ikea, build a coffee table myself and I'll hang some more posters and pictures up to make it more comfortable. My room's got a cold and clean look, I like it that way, and a pot in a pot just doesn't fit in here! :D I like the composition on the pictures, sadly my camera's got some problem with green colours. I tried my best but you can see a lot of "picture noise" on the stems and the clay pot (yes, I went for clay ... my mother likes them better, she's a classy lady ;) ) |
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- Posted by jodik 5 Central IL (My Page) on
Fri, Dec 4, 09 at 9:51
| I think the picture looks fine... but then again, my eyes are old, so maybe you see something that I don't. I don't see any "noise". Your Mom is smart, as well as classy! It's a nice pot, and I think it compliments the bulbs well. |
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Thant makes me stupid, thank you! :P But yeah, you're right there. At least with me being stupid, I still refuse to see the benefits of clay ... ;) |
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- Posted by jodik 5 Central IL (My Page) on
Sat, Dec 5, 09 at 7:16
| You're certainly not stupid! You can be smart along with Mom, you know! There are just different ways to approach container gardening. I think I lean toward clay, in part, because it's a more natural product. Plastic is forever in our environment, and doesn't have the hydroscopic properties clay has. And here, I thought I was complimenting your Mom! ;-) But really, it is a lovely addition to the bulbs... it's a good look. |
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| I agree there. But I still can't see myself handling all the clay pots at home. Plastic is just way more comfortable. I can drill holes in it and since I'm running around in the flat with my pots all the time, it just works better for me. I don't really care for the looks, a pot is for me just a container where the plant is in. And the plant is not some kind of furnishing (?), they're my hobby that's all. But, I wanted to get back to the Christmas-cactus. I wrote that it was again time to trim it. And just now I was in a mood for hacking and slashing. See for yourself: 
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| And the Sonatinis once again ...
They're really all green! What a luck, I thought at least the last one could be a red one. But now they'll look really precious in that pot. Sadly I can only hand a picture of them blooming to my mum. |
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- Posted by jodik 5 Central IL (My Page) on
Mon, Dec 7, 09 at 8:07
| Wow! I don't know that I could prune quite so much off a lovely plant such as that cactus! Ouch! On the other hand, they do require trimming if you want to maintain a certain shape and look! Please post photos when it blooms again... I'm interested in seeing how it looks now, with flowers! Nice buds on the green Hippi! Yep... it sure is green! :-) |
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| Well ... first I just wanted to cut here and there ... and then somehow I got into a kind of rage! :D |
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| "Block" (Is really Carl, yes?) I am wondering if this green budded hippie is not 'Lemon Sorbet'
The bud shape sure looks like mine did. I will have to up load shots of my first seedlings to bloom, also used a white, to give you an idea on what you might get. Hi, Ann! Hi! Hans! Bye, all y'all! Rebecca |
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See in the pictures where they're still in the small plastic pots I bought them in? The label that sticked in has no name (except for Amaryllis - Sonatini) on it, so I went on the Hadeco site and the picture there for Lemon sorbet is exactly the same as on the label! Good guess! :) So you asked for my crosses: The first picture shown, there they are. I still don't know the name but I took pollen from a dark red one (my moms) and put it on my white. This plant is still at my parents, when I moved out I just took my seedlings with me. I'm really looking forward to next year when they get out of the cellar and I hopefully get some blooms! |
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| Here's a shot from last season of one of the Minerva X White Christmas seedling I kept:
This one was nearly solid white:
Hope these will give you an idea on what you might expect, since your red was a solid color you may or may not get any patterning. I had grown out 22 seedlings, kept only those I liked the best and sent the rest to my GF in GA to plant out in her garden where I am sure they will do really well. Three years from seed to first bloom when pot grown under fluorescent lights. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Minervia X White Christmas Seedlings
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I did a Minerva x white cross too this year. I've already seen some of other peoples results that where as diverse as yours. I like the one on the third picture best, perhaps the markings will darken with the coming blooms! Thanks for showing! I'm always interested in the outcome of crosses! For my white x red-crosses I predict solid red blooms with green throats, but we'll see! |
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| The Lemon Sorbet is finally open: 
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- Posted by jodik 5 Central IL (My Page) on
Fri, Dec 11, 09 at 11:37
| Very nice, Rebecca and Carl! Lovely flowers! |
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| Now it's been exactly 2 month and today I'm moving my plants indoors again. On the first picture here in the plants haven't been watered for a month (the bigger pots for more than a month) so they already rested a bit before ... I guess it should be enough now. I'm anxious to see which of them will bloom for me again and how many leaves they will produce this time. First I'll leave them on the heated windowsill, once the first leaf has emerged they'll be watered slightly from below. When the flowering bud has emerged fully from the bulb they'll again get a good gulp. All right, I'm off to the friends cellar, another friend of mine helps me with his car. They all think I'm crazy but that's nothing new ;) |
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- Posted by jodik 5 Central IL (My Page) on
Fri, Jan 8, 10 at 6:02
| Do you mean 2 months for a dormancy? If so, 8 weeks would be a short dormancy... I think 10-12 weeks would be a more adequate nap, myself. I believe that's what most books recommend. For myself, of course, I allow the bulbs to rest as long as they like. The lengthening days will help wake most and tell them to send up scapes. Us gardeners are not the crazy ones... it's those who don't know the relaxing wonders of working with Mother Earth that are crazy! ;-) |
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| No, 1+ month without water and 2 months in the cool basement. Ah yes, relaxing it is. But now that they're all back on my windowsills, I can't keep my hands off them. I have to force myself to leave them alone for now or else I'll care them to death :D |
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- Posted by jodik 5 Central IL (My Page) on
Fri, Jan 8, 10 at 12:10
| Ah.. ok... I see your timing. Yes... if I'm not careful, I baby them to death, too! I keep telling myself to have patience... just watch them. :-) |
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I'm so happy that my very first seedlings had, as it seems, enough time to build up flower stakes. It's clearly to see for #01, #04, #07 and #13. I guess most of the other ones will soon show their first scrapes too but two or so of them couldn't compete against the other ones after the last repotting, they developed very few leaves but perhaps even that was still enough. The whole name I've given them is wxr#01 ... - wxr#14 (white x red). I'll keep this name for future pictures but will open a new thread for my 2010-blooms. So than this thread can finally rest in the depth of this forum ;) The next one to bloom will be Picotee! |
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