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Oranda on it's back

Posted by jill1979 (My Page) on
Wed, Oct 25, 06 at 16:34

Hi there,

Yet another problem. One of my Oranda's keeps floating on it's side or upside down when he is sleeping. Doesn't have a problem when swimming around. I gave him some peas and the problem goes away for a couple of days then starts again. COuld this be an underlying disease or something? Should I do a tetracycline treatment? PLease help I have had this guy since the beginning of my aquarium jouney and would hate to lose him!


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RE: Oranda on it's back

It might be a swimbladder issue. There are products at your local petshop that deal with it. Tetracycline is an excellent med for bacterial infections, but I'm not sure that this is the cause.

I just did a quick Google and found this FAQ:

My fish are upside-down/ can't swim
This is a common problem whereby fish lose their equilibrium and are unable to maintain their position. This can result in the fish swimming awkwardly, laying upside-down either on the bottom or top of the water, or unable to maintain a horizontal position in the water. This is often attributed to swim-bladder problems and indeed this is the most common cause of loss of equilibrium. The swim-bladder is an air-filled sac laying just under the backbone at the top of the abdominal cavity. By inflating / deflating the swim-bladder, the fish can adjust its position in the water and maintain neutral buoyancy.

The swim-bladder can be affected by bacterial or viral diseases. In addition the swim-bladder may malfunction, leading to over or under inflation. Clearly anything which affects the proper functioning of the swim-bladder will also affect the fish's equilibrium.

However, before diagnosing all equilibrium problems as swim-bladder disease, we should be aware that there are other conditions which can cause buoyancy problems. Disease in other organs such as kidneys and intestines for example can also cause problems. This can happen if there is any swelling of the affected organs leading to either a change in organ density or pressure being put on the swim-bladder. This is often a problem with fancy goldfish whose abdominal cavity is tightly packed.

Treatment is difficult, mainly because it is virtually impossible to diagnose the cause and secondly there are only a few conditions that will respond to treatment. It is always worth considering a course of antibiotic injections in case a bacterial infection is involved. An attempt should be made to see whether the fish is defecating, in case the problem is being caused by an intestinal blockage. If this is suspected it is worth either trying to feed the fish a few frozen peas, which act as a laxative, or else try baths in Epsom salts (70g / litre for 5 minutes) which has the same effect.

If these treatments do not work, there is little else that can be done. There is some work being carried out on exploratory surgery, but there are very few veterinarians undertaking this "cutting edge" procedure.

There are a few reports of fish recovering from balance problems, so it is worth giving the fish some time. One report suggested "wedging" the fish upright between two objects was helpful. If there is no sign of recovery after 7-10 days, the kindest thing is to euthanase the fish.


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RE: Oranda on it's back

One of our oranges has the same problem and it's just getting worse and worse. I've done everything I can to treat her - her name is Pearl - but at this point I think she's dying a slow death and I can't bear it. She's upside down 100% of the time and now won't eat. I've been trying to "right" her, help her swim, feed her shelled peas by hand, put her in a hospital tank, etc. -but the aquarium is really my husband's and he's given up on her. How does one euthanize a fish that's too big to flush. I can't even stand the thought of it, frankly. It all seems really cruel. Do fish feel pain? Do you think she's suffering? I'm really upset. Thanks for any help.


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RE: Oranda on it's back

Hi
IME once a fish gets into that condition there's not much that can be done. The above treatments might work??
What I do is wrap the fish in a wet towel and place in the freezer . Don't know if it's painless but is fast. Usually kills within 10 minutes .Certainly better than a long lingering death?? gary


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