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Aroids from seed?

Posted by jfr1107 Austin z denial (My Page) on
Tue, Jun 21, 05 at 23:51

Greetings,

I was wondering how easy aroids are to grow from seed? I have come across a few sources, but there has not been any info on how readily they germinate, conditions etc.

Thanks.


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RE: Aroids from seed?

In my experience, they germinate quite easily so long as they are fresh. My experience includes Syngonium, Amorphophallus, Alocasia, Philodendron, Anthurium, Caladium, and Synandrospadix.

They need to be kept warm and moist but not wet. Some are easier than others to germinate, but all need to be watched for fungus and/or bacterial infections.

Hope this helps,
LariAnn

Here is a link that might be useful: Aroidia Research


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I agree with LariAnn, it is not that hard but really depends on what type of Aroid you are trying to grow. I have only tried growing Cyrtosperma, Philodendron and Anthurium from seed and have had success with them. Philos come up easily in seed starter soil kept moist and warm. Anthuriums do well soaked in luke warm water for a few hours, then remove flesh. Clean and put in Clean Spaghnum moss and keep in a warm humid place. Cyrtosperma the same as Anthurium.


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Hi, John !
I sowed Arisaema consanguineum on the 7th of january 2004 and seedlings appeared at the last days of may 2004. They looked nice, I putted them into shade and forgot them a little bit. They overlived in their pots with much sandy-substrate. And as our falls are often very moist, they have been moist during the whole winter in glasshouse. They became dormant very early and got up only on the mid or end of June 2005. But they are wonderful,have nice leaves now and I think, next year they will flower. So retain this: they must not become dry during their first winterperiodes. Good luck!
rosacentifolia


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LariAnn,

Hi! What do you use to treat fungus on tiny seedlings of anthurium andraeanum? If there is anyone that knows, it will be you.  photo images.jpg

Thanks!
Carol


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Some of my aglaonema seedlings. :D


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Wonder what LariAnn thinks about the use of cinnamon for that...?

Another shot of the seedlings...


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Copper based fungicide should work fine


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In you guys' experience,..these subtle variations in leaf detail...are they likely to stay this way or go crazier still? I fancy the idea that because these guys did not come from slips off another host plant,but are,each of them,unique genetically speaking,they will show their individuality more and more as they mature.

In expecting this,..am I chasing my tail here?


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No you got it!

Seeds offer incredible genetic diversity!
Even if the plant self pollenates, there's a good chance, especially if one or both parents ate hybrids!

I can't speak for those plants, but many aroids get better color as they she, some go all green, I think algolema general get more color as they age.


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Aglaonema commutatum isn't a hybrid though,right? From what minimal research I've done to answer that so far I'm guessing the answer is no,but I still have hope to see more and more unique characteristics.

In another thread I spoke of recently having visited the same library again to discover (to my delight) that the ags there had gone to seed again. I collected 20 more ripe seeds and repeated my experiment. So far all the seeds look healthy and one of them is beginning to sprout! Color me excited!!

Another thing worthy of note is that although I've only ever heard of ags being really slow growers(sure is true of the one's I have propagated by cuttings),the seedlings from last year have grown at a rate that I really wasn't expecting.

I really don't have a long history of sowing seeds,as I've always believed that slip cuttings was a shortcut to having a larger plant sooner,but in this case it's hard to say.


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asleep, how do you know when the seed is ripe? is it certain time of the year, or the way it looks?


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It will be red.

The yellow berries aren't ripe enough yet.

When you have a ripe one the flesh is about maybe an eighth of an inch thick around the seed itself,and you remove this first. The red will stain like crazy so use a paper towel to do this part.

Last year what I did at that point was to drop the seeds in one of my ten gallon aquariums that had a film of moisture on the bottom and covered it again to trap the humidity. Before I knew it,they started sprouting. This was when I put each one in it's own little cell(seen in pic above). Since then they've all been moved to yogurt containers,and some have already outgrown those.

This year's seeds were started in a ziplock bag,again with just a film of water. One of them started to poke out a little green point,so I put them in a terrarium.

Hopefully I didn't do this too soon.

We shall see!


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so do you know if flowers were self-pollinated?
and how long it took them to ripen?


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From what I've read,self pollinating isn't possible. The male flowers open first,and are spent by the time the female flowers further down the spadix are ready.

There were more ags around which explains where the pollen came from(males on one plant were active at the same time as females on another),but the confusing part is that I've also read that the regular pollinator is a type of scarab beetle native to the rainforests that ags call home that are specialized to the task.

Very confusing.

I could have it all wrong of course.
Maybe self pollination is actually a possibility(would sure explain a lot).

Also Hand pollinating is doable. Never done it myself,but I've seen websites that show you how.

Not sure how long the berries take to ripen,but when I went to the library there they were waiting for me. Hard to say because it was the first time I'd been there in quite a while.

Here's a link to a thread that has pics of last years seedlings.

Also some good links worth looking at.

Here is a link that might be useful: Link


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the reason i was asking - i got a pink thai ag and it constantly throws flowers. but it's a hybrid, so no use trying to get seeds - they are proly sterile. but i entertained the thought anyway, since your seedlings look so good!
i found some info that says only ag.commutatum and it's cultivars can be propagated from seed.
thai ags are supposed to be hybrids of ag.rotundum.


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I've read the same thing about the commutatum(same type I harvested from,..go figure). Heartbreaking,isn't it?

Guess there's still stem cuttings though but it's just not the same.


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Decided to switch things around a bit. Put the seeds in this container atop a bed of wet pea gravel.

Notice that I'm keeping it on top of some terrarium lights for bottom heat.


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Hard to tell what's what in this pic,but some of those bits of pea gravel are actually seeds.

If you look close enough you can see germination occurring.


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Here's a handful that have been moved to a ten gallon tank and each given their own little cell of mix.

Upper left corner is one of the seedlings seen up-thread. They've all had a spoiled winter under glass so naturally for the most part they've been chugging right on along.

At the moment the current headcount is nine,so I'd say this has been one of my more successful experiments. =)


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having never tried these from seed, am I understanding from all the posts, that you do not have to stratify the seed in the refrigerator for a couple of months before trying to germinate? if I gather the seeds in the fall, can I plant them right then indoors or outdoors or both? any help here appreciated. would really like to try this...


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Nope!

No fridge required. :)

Do you have access to berries? None of mine at home have ever set fruit.


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asleep in the garden: I will let you know in the fall!


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I find that amorphophallus titanums are pretty easy to grow from seed, but they just take a really long time to grow, and you have to keep them warm at all times, or else they don't grow.

Here are some photos.
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First of all,a big THANK YOU goes out to Jfr1107 for hosting the thread and providing a place to have this discussion.

Assuming he,and any of the earlier posters are still around,I hope you will chime in(this thread is coming up on 9 yrs old!).

Casa,..
Sounds great,let us know how it goes. If you know someone with a fruiting ag,it may be sooner than the fall. My latest batch of berries was collected early last april,so who can say when these things set seed and if they even really have a schedule when in cultivation,right? Good luck in your search!

Steve,..
I had a tiny little konjac like...a million years ago,but it was a bulbil,..not a seed...and sadly,it got lost in a move. Sowing amorph seed sounds like a fun challenge,and one I'd be happy to rise to given a chance. Never actually looked into places where one could order aroid type seeds. If any have a recommended source,feel free to relate your experience.
Steve,those titanums are looking good! Keep us updated on their progress,okay?

As to my latest ag sowing experiment,so far 15 out of 20 have popped and if that's "all" I get for my effort,3 out of 4 really ain't too bad.


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I just bought my titanum seeds off eBay.


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Ahhhh...ebay then.

Never bought anything there before,actually.
The day I break down and look into it will likely be problematic in that whole overdoing it kinda way.

So I'm still resisting! ;)

I hope You will be willing to provide us with updates here and there on those seedlings,Steve...from what I understand they're pretty fast growing plants.


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One thing about these titanum seeds is that most of them will be viable, but they will launch at different times so you will have them at all different stages of growth.

The key to growing them successfully is to use sterile soil, and making sure they always stay above 45F because these are tropical plants which can be stunted or damaged by cool temperatures. They adjust to higher light very easily due to their thick leaves. Right now the one on the right in the middle picture is just about fully uncurled however the top one in the bottom picture looks like it will be bigger than the rest.

Only the one on the top has already started forming a pin ball sized tuber which should keep growing until it decides to produce it's second leaf which should be much larger. I believe it will happen once this leaf has gathered enough energy from the full sun it gets outdoors now.


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steve, where are the pictures you refer to?


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My titanum seedlings are now 3 years old and they're getting into brief dormant periods now after being in constant growth since they first sprouted. They also went through a stage of multiple leaves, up to 3 at one time. The old tuber is dormant at the moment. It goes through a year of growth and then a year of dormancy. Should re-emerge early September. Also have a leaf cutting with a developing tuber. Will start doing a lot more of that once new growth comes on.


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tropicbreeze:

do all callas....go through a year of growth and then a year of dormancy. ?


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There are pictures up a few posts of some a titanum seedlings. They are pretty easy to take care of. They are now on the driveway in order to get extra heat to fuel faster growth.

Mine are however light in color. Is there any way to darken them up?


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Casagrande, I don't grow Callas so don't know. I was referring to Amorphophallus titanum in my post above.


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tropicbreez.....please forgive my plant ignorance. I thought aroids were callas. sorry.


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No, Callas are aroids, along with lots of other plants. What aroids have in common is the same general shape of flowers, similar to Callas.


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so i decided to try and sprout the ripe red berry too - from anthurium plowmanii monster may be 5'-6' high?
they are quite small the 1st two years - so i should be ok for a while yet, provided they'll survive winter...
out of 7 seeds 5 swelled up well, and 4 seemed to be starting to sprout in 3weeks..when they got knocked over ....:0!
but at least 2 survived and made 1st leaves.
they are still in perlite with LF sphag underneath.
i kept them on a heat mat and domed from the start and 1 week later they sprouted. then i started opening the lid up and using heat mat only at nite.
now it's 1 month after sprouting.
i have the beginning of the 2nd leaf. and they are in bright light with just a little dappled sun. they kept leaning and i kept moving them until they stopped - which was a foot from the window under other plants so in dappled shade.

This post was edited by petrushka on Mon, Jul 28, 14 at 10:22


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Anthurium plowmanii seedlings!

OOOOH I'm so jealous!

I love the variety of shapes and textures available in anthuriums but haven't seen anything but the typical flamingo sort available for years. Had a bird'snest anth like fifteen years ago or so but lost it in a move.

Nice work Petrushka!

Here's an update on my latest batch of ags...


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it's only thanks to your posts about ag that i got an idea!
so are these the 1st batch or the 2nd?
i am thinking of getting an aquarium and setting up closed terrarium for these babies - 'cause i'll be going on vacation inevitably.... i also sprouted a cycad (zamia furfuraceae) and lignum vitae tree from seeds i picked up on a street sidewalk :)))...
for now they are sitting under a cut-off 2qt plastic bottle with an opening on top.


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ARGH...I just lost one of those sago nuts under glass not so long ago...the darned thing rotted on me when I had had success with these before.

Purp sent it to me and I really wanted to show it off too.

Awesome that yours popped for you though...they really are amazing critters,aren't they?

I'm honored to have been your inspiration,Petrushka. It's cool feeling like your part of something. :)

Get the aquarium.
It's worth it!

Edited to say that these seedling are from the second batch. The first batch got smacked with bad weather,and what's left of it wasn't looking too good but we shall see what rises from the ashes,so to speak.

This post was edited by asleep_in_the_garden on Wed, Jul 30, 14 at 13:14


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wow, i don't put my babies out, i coddle them to the max!
last year i got an idea from grab about alocasia bulbils (did you see my posts about that?) - it's not seeds, but pretty close, since you can't really propagate hybrid from seeds.
most of bulbils except for 2 went dormant in jan when i was away. but i woke them up again with the same technique.
they have grown quite a bit since.
here's my brood sunning in the window :).
i think i'll go and update that thread with more recent pics. this forum is so-o slow, might as well indulge myself.

Here is a link that might be useful: how i woke up my african mask bulbils

This post was edited by petrushka on Wed, Jul 30, 14 at 20:30


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