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Alocasia tigrina

Posted by minibim (My Page) on
Fri, Sep 30, 05 at 7:49

I see this on Ebay frequently, but never with a Latin name.
Tigrina 1 The picture and text in this one is stolen right from the Agri-Starts website.
Tigrina 2 This is a very dark picture.

I bought Alocasia zebrina reticulata from the IAS table at their show, so I will assume it is correct. The A. zebrina and the A. tigrina look very similar in photos, are they one in the same?


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RE: Alocasia tigrina

  • Posted by Bihai z8B FL (My Page) on
    Fri, Sep 30, 05 at 12:32

No, they aren't the same.
I have grown both for about 3 years. I got mine down in Miami at Fairchild Gardens. Tigrina has a more plain green leaf, although the shape of the leaves of teh 2 plants in very similar. Zebrina reticulata has a pattern on the leaves and stems that Tigrina doesn't have


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RE: Alocasia tigrina: photo

  • Posted by Bihai z8B FL (My Page) on
    Fri, Sep 30, 05 at 12:41

This is a photo of the leaves and stem of the Zebrina reticulata. The tigrina looks similar, but no pattern. Every leaf on Zebrina has this pattern, hence the name "reticulata"...its reticulated.

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RE: Alocasia tigrina

They are actually 3 different species.

Alocasia "Tigrina Superba" has dark green leaves and attains the largest size. Leaves get huge and spear like.

Alocasia "Zebrina Reticulata" doesnt get as large but the leaves have the reticulated (striped) pattern

Alocasia "Zebrina" has more rounded green leaves with striped stems. Pictured below.


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RE: Alocasia tigrina

I love the reticulata! I'm gonna have to grab me one of those! Thanks for introducing me to a new variety! Going to search for one now.

NancyAnn


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RE: Alocasia tigrina

Nice plants etropical! Your house looks like my old house. We used to live in an older red brick house with nice doors like yours and brick walkways. It was in the historic district and was built in 1925. Now we live in a modern contemporary, lots of glass and open space. Sometimes I miss my old house though. It was 3 story and very cool!


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RE: Alocasia tigrina

Thanks for the explanations. Love the leaves on the A. zebrina reticulata, I'll probably pass on the A. tigrina.


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RE: Alocasia tigrina

I have recently planted out a alocasia tigrina in a bed in the full sun here in tropo Queensland , and it seems to be thriving , its multiplied to an amzing extent , and summer has not even started . Hope it gets enormous .


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RE: Alocasia tigrina

I am sorry if this post upsets some on this forum

The differences in Alocasia zebrina, Alocasia Reticulata and Alocasia Tigrina are only natural variation. Lots of people tend to believe if the leaves of plants don't look exactly alike they must be a different species but scientifically that is not correct. If the DNA of the three was checked you'd find only a single species which would be Alocasia zebrina.

Here's another way to look at it. I'm sure you know individuals that have dark hair, dark skin and dark eyes. You also know people that have light skin, light hair and blue or green eyes. One may be very heavy and the other very thin so they don't look exactly alike. Their faces are also not likely to be similar and one may be very tall and the other very short but none of us would ever presume the two individuals were a different species. They are just variations of the same species.

For some reason people have trouble applying the concept of variation in humans to the natural variation of plants.

If we see any slight variation we immediately assume the plants must be different species. NASA has stated that one out of every 8 plant species exhibits natural variation. In the 1800's botanists often granted new names to many plants simply because they didn't look alike but once the science advanced it was learned they had given different names to the same exact species. That is now known as the second plant (or third, fourth, fifth, sixth, etc.) being a synonym of the correctly accepted name.

Aroids are extremely variable and I can show you plants in my atrium with 5 to 8 totally different looking leaves on a single plant. Some are long and thin while others are very wide. Some demonstrate leaf margins that are ragged while others exhibit leaves with little to no edge differences. Some have tall lobes while others have short lobes but they are all growing on the same plant.

That is typical of aroids. To identify a species a botanist looks for the shape of the cataphyll which protects any newly opening blade, the vein structure (venation) of the leaf blade, the shape of the petiole (which everyone wants to call the "stem", and the node spacing on the true stem which is the central axis of the plant (bottom or base) as well as the general shape and sexual characteristics of the inflorescence to determine the species. They don't consider the leaf blade first and if you were to read a scientific description you'd quickly realize the botanist began at the bottom of the plant and worked upwards. The leaf is one of the least important details in determining the species of the plant since it is often extremely variable.

In Alocasia zebrina, Alocasia Reticulata, and Alocasia Tigrina those factors are nearly identical yet the leaf blades are very different. Of the three only Alocasia zebrina is a species. The others are simply horticultural names given by plant growers and sellers to plants that "appear" to be unique.

By the way, as the plant fully becomes an adult the pattern on Alocasia zebrina Reticulata form almost totally vanishes.

Go to any scientific source such as TROPICOS or the International Plant Names Index and you won't find the names Alocasia Tigrina nor Alocasia Reticulata listed. They aren't species but simply horticultural or common names.

Here is a link that might be useful: Alocasia zebrina


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