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Hopseed or Oleander

azlady
13 years ago

I'm looking to plant something along our property line - about 25 feet of it. We need this for privacy reasons and there is no fence there, gets sun most of the day.

I would like to have something that is about 6 feet tall by next summer (wish it could be this summer). It should be an evergreen and need little water once established (do I have to put it on a drip, can I hand water until established?).

Trying to decide between Hopseed bush and Oleander. I was also thinking of Pyracantha, which would make a nice security barrier with the thorns, but isn't that more of a vine?

What are your thoughts?

Comments (16)

  • grant_in_arizona
    13 years ago

    Hiya! All of your candidate plants are pretty good options. I LOVE oleander and have a small hedge of some dwarf plants, plus a couple of others that came with this house, buuuuut a lot of folks are concerned about oleander blight which has moved in to the Phoenix area--it does kill infected oleanders when it occurs.

    That being said, even though I love oleanders, I planted a small privacy hedge two years ago and I used hopseed since it doesn't get the blight. It has a lot to recommend it: it's native, very low water when established, grows quickly when watered frequently, and looks better when trimmed than oleander does. The downsides are that it doesn't have super showy blooms, and it does self sow a bit (but seedlings are easily pulled or transplanted--and oleander self sows too).

    If you feel like gambling, you could go with oleander, but if you want something less likely to have problems with blight, I'd go with hopseed.

    Pyracantha is pretty good, but often needs trimming to keep growing upright instead of out, it can get bleached leaves/chlorosis too, and it doesn't grow as fast in my opinion as hopseed does, but let's see what everyone else says too.

    Hopseed will need fairly regular water the first spring, summer and autumn, and then can be weaned to less and less water. I watered mine 2x a week the first summer, and then 1x a week their second summer, and now I hand water them with a hose once a month or so in summer. If you water them a lot, they grow a lot; if you water them less, they grow less, so you can push them a bit when you first plant them, and then s-l-o-w-l-y cut back on water when they're getting closer to the size you want.

    I'm curious to hear other folks' opinions. I'm a huge oleander fan, but I just wouldn't chance a bit long privacy hedge with them, due to that darn blight threat.

    Let us know what you do and how it works out.
    Take care,
    Grant

  • azlady
    Original Author
    13 years ago

    Thank you for the info on Hopseed Grant! Sounds like it is a good choice. If I (eventually) want full hedges, or at least spaced so that no one can see past them, how far apart should I plant them?

    Also, I've seen regular Hopseed and purple Hopseed. Which did you plant?

    Thanks again and I am also looking forward to the others' comments.

  • grant_in_arizona
    13 years ago

    I planted regular/green hopseed--both are great of course; the purple turns a bruised burgundy/purple in winter and reverts to green for summer.

    You can plant them fairly far apart if you're willing to wait longer for privacy; 8 feet apart wouldn't be too far, but it would take a couple/several years for them to fill in. I'm not patient, LOL, so I planted mine three feet apart and they filled in by their second summer back when they were on more irrigation. Now I'd prefer they just slow down since they've filled in, so I water them a lot less to reduce the need to trim them.

    Keep us posted--good luck!
    Take care,
    Grant

  • magicgarden_az
    13 years ago

    I'll tell you what happened to me. I planted a whole hedge of oleander across my front yard - which is pretty big. Took about 5 years for them to finally get full grown - but they were really pretty. I mixed some lantana and sage in there too.

    Then the blight came. It was awful. Everyone thought I stopped watering. My home looked like it was abandoned.

    It took trucks with chains to pull the carcases out of there. Now my whole front yard - exposed on 5th Street looked like a bomb field.

    So I replaced all that with hopseeds. The green ones are great. Two years and they are over 4 feet high and about 3 feet wide. The purple one - not so much. They grow much slower and suffer in the frost.

    I only wish the rest of the oleander would die so that I could replace them too. It will never look right over there. The oleanders that survived are bare up to about 5 feet high. Then they leaf out.

    If I were you - make your hedge out of green hopseeds - after all, its utility for privacy. Then I'd add infront Arizona Yellow Bells, purple lantana and red sage for color. Make a western style garden but with southwestern plants. You could really do something special. Maybe some Arizona mallow, desert butterfly bush, sweet potato vines. Stuff that always works and isn't suseptible to disease and drought.

  • azlady
    Original Author
    13 years ago

    Wow, that is some story. I do like the idea with the green hopseeds and adding color to it. The red sage looks beautiful.

    I guess I will have to put some irrigation there, I was hoping to just hand water for the next 12-18 months.

    Thank you both for your input.

  • grant_in_arizona
    13 years ago

    Wow, that IS an amazing story. Sorry to hear about your oleanders getting blight. "They" say it's going to be pretty common around here soon. I have a couple of single oleanders just for blooms really, plus a small row of dwarf pink oleanders around my patio (I put them in knowing they're a risk I could live with, even if they can't, LOL).

    Glad to hear your hopseed has done a good job as a substitute. Your new hedge sounds really neat, and I love the idea of mixing in other things as you described--NEAT. When you say "red sage" what plant do you mean? I'm guess either Salvia coccinea or S. greggii but I'd love to hear more.

    Thanks for the fun posts--keep us posted AZ Lady!
    Take care,
    Grant

  • bugSmasher
    11 years ago

    What about root spread? Can it be planted near a leach field without worry?

  • davidlzacharias
    8 years ago

    Properly watered, how long does it take for green hopseed to grow to say 8 feet? Isn't the red flowering oleanders significantly less susceptible to the blight? Is the price differential significant between hopes and leaders of the same size, say 5-gallon or 15 gallon?

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    Bella Fiore Landscape Design
    8 years ago

    Hop seed all the way! I utilize this plant in almost all of my designs/installs. It is perfect to green up those hard concrete walls and perfect for privacy. It is always that beautiful spring green color and once established grows fast with little water.

    When a client wants to talk about oleander I always start out with letting them know that it is poisonous and invasive. If later you ever want to remove it, you will need to dig out the entire root balls.

    This spring you will be able to get nice sized 5 gallon hop seed and give the plants this first summer to get established.

    The above photo is of hop seed I planted in my yard 3 years ago-I took this pic last summer after a trim. It has easily reached higher than my walls for at least a year now. Good luck!

  • lazy_gardens
    8 years ago

    This one was providing good shade for that window within a year after planting, but it's getting a lot of rain runoff and lawn watering.

  • Nisha S
    3 years ago

    I am considering hop seed bush privacy hedge. Can someone please share their pictures of the yard with hopseed bush and red sage or lady banks for referenc.

  • Genevieve Peterson
    3 years ago

    We are also looking to plant hopseed around the perimeter of our back yard all the way around and trying to figure out what size we should purchase and how far to space them. We want a full screen to complete cover the block wall ans grow about 3-4 ft over the top of the height of the wall.

  • steff13
    2 years ago

    Any concerns with them being poisonous to animals?

  • bardzil
    2 years ago

    Wod love to see pictures of hopseed hedges - both colors. i am considering them for a pricacy hedge

  • Watchful Fox
    2 years ago



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