I find those brands at just about all the local hydroponic stores. There's a hydro store on every corner these days, they are as prolific as Circle K's since the medical marijuana law was approved. UGro is at 3535 E Thomas (I was just there last week looking for something else). Sea of Green, one in Tempe at 1301 E University Dr, Suite 101. Another SOG north side of Bell east of I-17.

HTH.

Grant just wrote up a good review of the store on the SWC of 20th Street and Indian School road.

I've been in that store too....looking for the elusive 1 quart grow bag (I finally ordered online yesterday. Shipping wasn't too bad after all). It's a nice store, staff are very nice, friendly and helpful. UGro is the same, ditto both Sea of Green stores I've visited.

outdoor_andy, see the hydroponic gardening thread on this forum.

I never buy soil or ferts anywhere else since I discovered the hydro store. The products are pricy but far superior to anything at the big box stores. tf, the passion vines I dug up at the same time as the one I gave you and looked more shocked than yours have recovered nicely with some of the ferts from SOG. Extreme Serene is what they have been drinking up for about a week and they have perked right up. You can pick up one more if you like, just lmk. You have an email dated this morning.