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Royal Poinciana in Phoenix metro?

Posted by grant_in_arizona USDA Z9 Phoenix (My Page) on
Fri, Sep 2, 05 at 20:03

Hi everyone,

Do you have one growing well? Have you seen one anywhere in Phoenix growing and blooming? I'm curious to hear whether anyone at all in the area is growing and blooming the Royal Poinciana (Delonix regia, formerly known as Caesalpinia regia).

Why you ask? Because, I did my usual leap-before-looking and bought a nice five gallon one from Baker nursery a month ago. I planted it in a prime spot for my garden, and it's growing like CRAZY, but I have some serious concerns about its long term chances, lol.

If you're growing one, or have grown one, or know of one in the area (anywhere in AZ really) feel free to share.

Thanks!
Grant


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Well Spit Grant.. You should have talked to me first.. I dont mind Bakers getting a sale but I have about 60 of them in trays and I owe you a favor for the staps you gave me last year, (you should see them now!!).. Odd that this topic just came up because I just planted 5 of them across the front of the place here,, after all these years I'm just getting ready to landscape this place.. As far as growing them here you'll be fine as long as you take real good care of it for the first several years (and I know you will).. in allot of direct sun they will drop there leafs during what they think is a drought time.. keep them well watered but they have to have a good drain, and they will seem to grow out before growing up.. If you've got it planted in allot of sun you might to give it some shade cloth for the rest of our summer..They require a tropical or near-tropical climate, but can tolerate drought and salty conditions, If I can find where I have the frost level on it I'll post back,, every so often we get the cold here so its the biggest issue I see with them
If you need more info I'll do a write up on my site and post a link here


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Grant, there has been info/pics posted of blooming d. regia from Phoenix/UofA Tucson/Yuma, ask for Darin in Phoenix or Lee in Tucson at http://members3.boardhost.com/HardyPalm/- I'm sure they would happy to repost photos and provide info.


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Good subject, one I will follow closely. I have 3 grown from seeds that are about 18" tall and one 5 gallon one that is about 6 ft tall. All seem to do pretty good with about half day sun (morning) and shade in the afternoon. I kept them covered when we got frost warnings last year and everyone did just fine. Mine have not bloomed yet, but I think the big guy will next spring, at least I am hoping it will. :)

There used to be a house down the street and around the corner that had a big one (15') that was just gorgeous. One day the fence was torn down and the yard was a mess, the tree was gone and they were putting in a pool!!! They just ripped the tree out. I could have cried, I would have had it carefully removed if I had known what they were doing. They just did not appreciate it! Dang people!
Susie


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There is one on the University of Arizona campus in Tucson-in a protected spot. You can read about it and many other great trees on their campus arboretum website.....My question is-Where can one buy seed?


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Here's a not so good picture of one that I took in Phoenix.

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And here's one in Tempe.

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And there's another one in Tempe of equal size of those two.

They do great in Yuma, they're even used as street trees there.

Here's one in Yuma.
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And another in Yuma.
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I missed then while flowering, poor timing on my part. But they're certainly my favorite flowering tree hands down.

I've never seen a city that per capita has more Delonix regia then Puerto Penasco.

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I've also grown them from seed and have four that are in 5 gallon pots and they certainly do grow fast. In a year and a half mine went from seed to 3 plus feet tall.

The thrive in full sun here. The ones in Yuma and Puerto Penasco attest to that (tought to get more sunshine then those two places). They actually flower best in full sun, so certainly give full sun when possible.

Certainly a tree I expect to see take off in Phoenix within the next decade or so.

The one at the U of A was planted back in the 70's. Granted it's in the U of A's "Magic Alley", but that still blows my mind how long it's survived here. It got hit hard in December of 2003 with back to back night with lows around 26. It lost about half of it's canopy. But it's still alive and last I saw was recovering well.

Lee


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Hi everyone,

Great information, thanks very much for sharing it. Turtle, I'm glad the staps are doing well for you--I'd love to see how they're doing. The crested Opuntia microdasys that you sent me in trade is making nice progress too.

Steve, John, Susie, Turtle, and Lee, thanks for all of the cultural information on these. Sounds like I may need to give mine a bit of protection this winter then, huh? I'm really amazed at how much it's already grown--I'm glad I gave it a prime, sunny spot. Susie, too bad about your neighbors ripping theirs out...that's a real shame. I wonder whey they're not more popularly planted around the Phoenix metro? Of course, if mine gets fried this winter, I'll know why, lol.

Thanks for the link, Steve, I'm off to check it out. And Lee, thanks for the great city-by-city pics and information...really fun to read. Turtle, I'd say it would be a great idea for you to add an entry for this plant on your website...sounds like there could be an growing market for them.

Take care,
Grant


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I'm in the process of doing just that Grant, I've been working on a shopping cart to sell the cactus I grow, currently I have about 6000 seeds that I want to get growing but I still havent got the other greenhouse up and the small one I just tore down,, if you ever drop by the place I'll put you to work!,,LOL


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Hello Folks,

I just got back from my vacation in India and i got plenty of royal poincinia seeds for everyone. They grow like weeds back home. I will post pictures soon.


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I attended the SHADE conference a few weeks ago where one of the sessions was on new possibilities for street trees in the Southwest. Johathan Arnold (from the City of Mesa) had photos of this tree growing in Scottsdale. When he worked for Scottsdale, he planted several including some near Drinkwater Blvd. by the library and ball park in downtown that are doing great.

He featured others including the Parrot Tree (Schotia brachpetala) which is drought tolerant, frost hardy and has red flowers and Amapa (Tabebuia palmeri) which has wine-colored flowers, a palmate-compound leaf and grows to 30 feet. Could be worth looking into.


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Thanks for all of the nice replies and information everyone. I'll keep you posted on how this one does. So far I'm really pleased with it, but let's see if it survives the winter before I get too happy, heh heh. Turtle, I'd love to see the nursery, and the stapeliads...I'm just waiting for my invitation. :)

Thanks again, and if anyone else is growing or seeing these, please chime in.

Take care,
Grant


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Lee, that tree in Phoenix-I'm guessing it is in one of the gardens at the Royal Palms? There are a few planted in the median of Scottsdale Road just south of Osborn. There is a also a huge on downtown on the South Side of the State House. They really are gorgeous trees and I hope the more they are planted in public areas where people can see them the more people will try them in their own yards.


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AZamigo, yeah the picture of the one in PHX was taken at the Royal Palms Resort. They also had another younger one. I'll have to check out those that you mentioned in Scottsdale, as well as the one on the South Side of the State House. Thanks for letting me know about those. I hope we see more and more pop up in PHX, Yuma and Lake Havasu.

Lee


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After reading about the Royal Poincianas here and on other sites I decided that I just had to have one. I couldn't find any in Lake Havasu where I live but found some small seedlings on EBAY. I'm getting three seedlings and I can't wait to get them! I'll be happy if even one of them thrives! Since they are small seedlings I plan on growing them in pots until they get bigger. Once question I have is...how do you pronounce Poinciana?


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I say it Poin (like the start of point) cee ana. That is how other people say it...

Susie


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sharonlf I also pronounce Poinciana like Birdlady: Poin-Sea-Anna. I think they should do well there in the Lake Havasu area. They grow like mad if you give them a decent amount of water. And once they're established in the ground they'll take very little water. I've seen some in Puerto Penasco that get next to no water other then the couple of inches per year that fall from the sky and they still looked great.

Please keep us informed as to their progress there in Lake Havasu.

Lee


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Thanks people. I'll keep you updated from time to time.


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  • Posted by cixel z10 FL (My Page) on
    Sun, Nov 25, 07 at 19:50

wow this is amazing. i had no idea poinciana were this resiliant. there are hundreds of them in the florida keys and around miami. during a certain time of the year there are blazing red trees everywhere, especially on the overseas highway through the keys. its simply beautiful but i never imagined they would grow in arizona!
what a wonderful shade tree you guys have at your disposal.


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  • Posted by gee8ch zone 9 SoCali (My Page) on
    Fri, Dec 28, 07 at 22:41

Hello: I'm new to this forum. Looking to grow Poinciana and found all this wonderful info. and pictures. Thank you. How do you think this would grow in So. Cali ... zone 9B? where can you buy seeds, and how do you plant them? Please forgive the many questions, but I just know this is the place to get the answers. TIA Gee8ch


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Anybody know if there is any local place to purchase one of these trees? I'm looking for one along with a silk floss. Any pointers would be welcomed. thanks


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TM, I was smitten with this tree a few years ago. Planted one.....babied it through the Big Freeze winter and lost it. So I threw in the towel. Too tender methinks.


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People seem to keep making the same mistake with these trees.. the bottom line is their trees get stressed and they become vulnerable to frost damage they handle temps into the high 20's but not several days of that, mine went through the 06 freeze and has done fine, there's several around the valley that once established do fine, the trick is to get it past the first three years. Once established they handle our temps fine.
The key is "Allot" of water, and I mean allot, or at least add a bunch of soil moist to the hole you plant it in


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Yeah, sorry TM.....tmt [too much trouble] I babied that tree like mad the first year and still lost it. If you can predict 3 mild winters I might go for it. :~)))


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I have several Royal Poinciana grown from seed. This spring I planted them in the ground and they have grown like crazy. Most are about 6 feet tall. I'm worried about the winter. Aside from covering and perhaps wraping the bark with felt or sweatsuit material, how much watering should they receive. I water like crazy now and that probably accounts for alot of the growth. Would love some serious advice as they are now 3 years old and I don't want to lose any.


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I've tried to grow these for the last 5 years. I finally got one to survive this last winter but after budding out it stopped then died. The only thing I can think of is the soil. I have a Jacaranda not 2 ft away and 20 ft tall so maybe the Royal doesn't like the soil....maybe Ph? Btw, the ones in the median in Scottsdale are gone. I cant find the one at the State House?? The one in Glendale (the biggest one I've ever seen) was butchered�.frost I imagine�..as was the one at Royal Palms. Theres one over by Bakers Nursery that I have yet to find.


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  • Posted by AJBB none (My Page) on
    Sun, Oct 2, 11 at 15:37

Most people have given up on them. It's tough to raise a tree for 5 years only to lose them to one a killing frost. Same thing with most tropicals in Phoenix.


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I would love to get one of these, anyone know where or how? Thanks ;)


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I grew two from seed and planted side by the west side wall, they did great in the summer but died in the winter. I had babied them in pots for two years before i planted them. Looking at these pictures i am tempted to try again.


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About 18 months ago I saw this thread and picked up some seeds online. I have a very healthy plant that's about 4 feet tall now. He'd been in a planter near a sunny window until about a month ago, when I moved him onto an east-facing patio...still in the same planter.

Is it common to continually have the lowest rows of leaves turn yellow and fall off? The watering seems to be fine and there is a lot of new growth at the top. Just wanted to make sure this is normal. It's only getting about 3 hours of morning sun per day.


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Where are some mature royal poincianas in metro Phoenix that I could see?


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I think there are some at the Royal Palms Resort.


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Grant: how is your Royal Poinciana doing? Your first post was almost 8 years ago. Is it still alive?


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Mine died the first winter, lol. Thanks for checking. They really are pretty and I hope the larger ones in the pics above are still going strong. Happy gardening all!


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I can attest to the ones in Yuma: as of last week, they are still there, and look the same as in the pictures. They are currently blooming on the sides that don't get direct nightime streetlight illumination. In SW AZ and SE CA we had lows bottom out in the upper 20s this past Winter, but I believe Yuma hovered around 32 at the coldest. The Royal Poincianas on the CA side of the Colorado River lost their leaves, but since then have recovered and do not show any noticeable damage. I am surprised they didn't make in in PHX, since your coldest temps. were similar to ours :-(


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Well, mine was young back then and got zorched, so hopefully the larger ones here in the Valley are fine too, like those in Yuma. I just haven't checked them out lately. Great that yours are doing well. They're such pretty trees! Happy gardening all!


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I harvested a bunch of seeds recently and started growing this. Trying the impossible again. Sounds like they are pretty hard to grow, but so beautiful, I'm still going to try. Any successes?


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Had 1 growing in the ground from seed about 5 years.Froze last winter,started to resprout,but then got attacked by boring insects which finished it off.Was at least 10 feet tall with about a 4 " dia trunk.


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I have a Royal poinciana here in Phoenix that is about 4 years old. I was wondering if anyone has any advice on when they start to bloom? I know many of you have lost them to frost. I grew up in Yuma and they do very well there because its more humid and does not freeze as much. You can purchase them from Yuma Nursery and they also have one onsite that is about 7-10 years old. I cover mine every night in the winter…and wrap lights on it so it doesn't freeze…..crazy i know but it is a gorgeous tree.I have read that you can clip the branches for winter and cover the whole trunk.Any thoughts?


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I still have a lot of these seeds. Maybe I'll try again. Mine grew really well until the cold set in. I had it in my little greenhouse but still didn't make it. They are gorgeous. Wish they can get established. Also have yellow and rainbow shower tree.


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Master looking like it died in the winter, this baby tree has now leafed out again.


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