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Leaf curling: leaf to root ratio?

Posted by watchnerd 10a (My Page) on
Sun, Mar 20, 11 at 21:17

I bought a b. oldhamii from Home Depot about 6 weeks ago. It was a 15 gallon specimen, the price was right, and it seemed in decent shape.

When I got it home, I realized it need repotting. In the process, I noticed a fair number of old, dead, mushy, unhealthy roots. So I trimmed them off. Then stuck everything in a bigger pot with a fresh soil mix.

Since then, the plant seems healthy, except for one thing: it has probably 20% of its leaves curled no matter how recently or well it has been watered. I can go 3 days with no water, or have it sit directly in the rain, and the result is the same: 20% leaf curl.

Is this caused by having too much foliage relative to the root mass?

Does it need correcting? The plant seems basically healthy except for this.

Will it self-correct in time?

Or is this just something that oldhamiis are prone to do?


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RE: Leaf curling: leaf to root ratio?

It sounds like that was a plant that was not well taken care of before you got it. I have re-potted hundreds of bamboo and what you describe as the condition of the roots is something I have only seen in a couple of instances where I have had a plant die on me and noticed the roots were mushy when I emptied the pot months later. But, to me, mushy roots on an otherwise seemingly healthy plant is weird. I see you are in Zone 10, which is fine for B. oldhamii, but I'm wondering if it got shipped in from someplace else where the temperature dropped below freezing, or if it was sitting in a flooded area for several weeks. In any case, this is not a symptom particular to this species.

I don't think your plant is going to die, but I do think it is in shock from abuse prior to your acquiring it, and being re-potted and having the rootball disturbed and trimmed since you got it. Not that what you did was a bad idea, but I think the best thing right now is to not mess with it anymore and to simply give it good light and regular water. It may take months for it to get better, and in the meantime could lose some foliage or culms. But don't give up on it.


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RE: Leaf curling: leaf to root ratio?

From what I can tell, the grower was located in Lodi, CA, which is zone 9 to my zone 10. It gets colder there in the winter, but hotter there in the summer. But I wouldn't expect that to be a big difference.

Perhaps it got over-watering by the Home Depot staff.

In any case, I cut off a few of the dessicated leaves that were mostly destroyed from winter wind burn, but other than that, I'm basically leaving it alone.


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RE: Leaf curling: leaf to root ratio?

  • Posted by kudzu9 Zone 8b WA (My Page) on
    Tue, Mar 22, 11 at 15:59

watchnerd-
Good luck...and report back when it gets better.


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RE: Leaf curling: leaf to root ratio? Part 2

  • Posted by kudzu9 Zone 8b WA (My Page) on
    Tue, Mar 22, 11 at 16:02

I forgot to add: It's really tough to overwater bamboo in a pot. About the only way I can imagine damage from overwatering is if it was in standing water for a couple of weeks. So...regardless of what happened to it in the past, don't be afraid to keep it moist.


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RE: Leaf curling: leaf to root ratio?

Update:

I trimmed off about 10-15% of the leaves. I picked the scraggly, burnt, and dessicated ones that got damaged during the winter. They were likely to fall off over the next month or two, anyway.

Since doing so, the leaf-curl-while-raining issue has gone away.

My theory:

The hypothesis about too many leaves relative to the root mass causes transpiration issues appears to have been correct.


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RE: Leaf curling: leaf to root ratio?

  • Posted by kudzu9 Zone 8b WA (My Page) on
    Wed, Mar 23, 11 at 18:41

Your hypothesis may be correct, but there are several other factors that can cause leaf loss in this situation. Anyway, there is nothing wrong with getting rid of stuff that is clearly dead or dying. Hopefully it is on the mend now.


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RE: Leaf curling: leaf to root ratio?

kudzu, it wasn't losing leaves (or at least not very quickly). Just inexplicable curling when it shouldn't have.


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RE: Leaf curling: leaf to root ratio?

Curling is typically a result of not enough water. If you were keeping it moist, then this was most likely a result of the plant being shocked from the transplantation process or a result of impaired function of the rhizome system due to damage.


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RE: Leaf curling: leaf to root ratio?

Yes, which is what I stated in the first post.


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RE: Leaf curling: leaf to root ratio?

  • Posted by kudzu9 Zone 8b WA (My Page) on
    Thu, Mar 24, 11 at 21:38

watchnerd-
The distinction I was trying to make is that, with an adequately watered bamboo, there are two main causes of the foliage not looking good: 1) a root/leaf-mass imbalance, or 2) transplant shock, which is a temporary thing and requires no trimming of drooping leaves...just patience while the plant recovers. Since it is hard to know which it is, I generally let the plant alone to self-correct, although I, too, would remove any tanned leaves that are ready to drop.

What I was thinking, but didn't make clear, is that it would be premature to remove any branches. I've had bamboo that completely defoliated after being divided and transplanted...and came back with new leaves on all the branches in two months.


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RE: Leaf curling: leaf to root ratio?

Gotcha.

Just to clarify, I didn't remove any branches, just leaves. And only the damaged ones.

It seems to have worked.


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