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botanical nomenclature

Posted by gillmass 5a (My Page) on
Mon, Nov 20, 06 at 17:01

recently been advised that a intraspecific cross is properly labeled with a hybrid"x" and given a new specific epithet.
i disagree with this information and would appreciate any further clarification. thanks.

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RE: botanical nomenclature

Well, not knowing with what you disagree with, I'm not sure my explanation/example will help you out.

Intraspecific will be the successful cross of 2 species of a genus. In this example, the 'x' shows up after the genus to show the cross at the species level. I may be using some tropical plant names that are unfamiliar to you, but maybe I can recall some more temperate NE perennial-type examples too:

A natural cross between Bauhinia purpurea and B. variegata occurred in Hong Kong in the 19th century. The result is Bauhinia x blakeana. This follows the rule you mentioned--a new specific epithet. This new epithet demonstrates a new phenotype. It also makes it more practical than having to rewrite both spp. with the X in between!

There are also intrageneric crosses. I recall
x Heucharella (note where X is now)is one you may have heard of--Tiarella crossed with Heuchera. A more tropical example is X Ruttyruspolia which is a (seemingly natural) hybrid of Ruttya with Ruspolia. At more close inspection, it is a cross with Ruttya ovata X Ruspolia hypocrateriformis var. australis! Thus, whenever you write of this plant and it's cultivars, you need to correctly include the X as in X Ruttypospolia 'Phillis Van Heerden'.

I'm curious as to what you are disagreeing with. As I anticipate your question, perhaps this has to do with nurserymen screwing around with trademarked and cultivar naming for profit motives as compared to the International Rules of Nomenclature.

But I may have completely muddied the waters with my comments.

Good luck.

RE: botanical nomenclature

thought a intraspecfic cross involved plants of the same species and a interspecific cross involves two separate species within the genus. my question concerns the labeling of crosses involving plants of the same species.for example a cross between a white flowered and purple flowered syringa would the result of this cross be shown on a label?

RE: botanical nomenclature

yup, you got me in the poor use of "intra" and "inter"! The trouble is that a true interspecific cross (crossing a plant with itself) yields itself.

Ok, from what you are sharing, it may be useful (or confounding) to mention cultivars, var, and subspecies here.

Not knowing the true original phenotype of Syringa vulgaris (i'd assume it'd be a purple flower), it is doubtful that when the first say, white-flowering variation occured that anyone would have given it a natural-occuring forma epiphet or even a subspecies. Based on human preference for that white-flowered look, we'd just give it a cultivar name, right? No X anywhere in the epiphet.

So, if you are taking 2 horticulturally derived selected cultivars of a normally straight species (that has no ecotypes or natural subspecies), you in effect are creating a new cultivar is all...I believe even if you did cross a straight species with a natural forma or subsp. of that species, you are in effect creating a cultivar.

Based on that, in literature, you would list the parentage as say S. vulgaris 'Purple Glory' X 'White Snow' and thus yield S. vulgaris 'Gillmass' Surprise'. I don't believe it would be appropriate to add any X in the actual epiphet for this new cultivar as it occured simply as a playful cross (far removed from the original species, forma or subspecies if they had existed).

For personal reference, I think you could parenthetically post the parentage of the cultivars. Some hybridizers often will quickly give it a random 'U123' cultivar name showing it as an unnamed #123 cv. that may prove useful one is back in their notes that the parentage of 'U123' would be listed. INteresetingly, because of the great genetic possibilities, you may again cross these same 2 parents and yield another hybrid that looks nothing like the first 'Gillmass' Surprise'. Then it'd be quickly labeled 'U124' and evaluated later.

RE: botanical nomenclature

Oh good grief, I already goofed my first sentence in last post--the intraspecific cross yields itself. The phenotypes of the seed plants may be different although genetically all seed plants remain that original species.

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