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Scopolamine : derive from Brugmansia

Posted by simchoonseng none (My Page) on
Wed, May 16, 12 at 21:31

All parts of Brugmansia are poisonous

Hi,
Need help to understand whether this is referring to the same plant.

Borrachero tree and Brugmansia.

Thanks,

http://www.biopsychi...borrachero.html

http://timesofindia....ow/13143754.cms

http://gizmodo.com/5...ug-in-the-world

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Brugmansia

LONDON: A hazardous
drug
derived from a particular type of tree common in Colombia can eliminate free will and can wipe the memory of its victims. The drug, which is currently being dealt on the streets of the country, is called scopolamine, but is colloquially known as 'The Devil's Breath,' and is often
blown
into faces of victims or added to drinks.

Within minutes, victims are like 'zombies' - coherent, but with no free will. Some victims report being raped, forced to empty their bank accounts, and even coerced into giving up an organ. According to Daily Mail, Ryan Duffy of Vice - a New York City based Canadian magazine - travelled to the country to find out more about the powerful drug.

In two segments, he revealed the shocking culture of another Colombian drug world. Demencia Black, a drug dealer in the capital of Bogota, said the drug is frightening for the simplicity in which it can be administered . He said Scopolamine can be blown in the
face
of a passer-by on the street, and within minutes, that person is under the drug's effect - scopolamine is odourless and tasteless. "You can guide them wherever you want. It's like they're a child," he explained. Black said that one gram of Scopolamine is similar to a gram of cocaine, but later called it 'worse than anthrax.' In high doses, it is lethal.

Brugmansia
All parts of Brugmansia are poisonous, with the seeds and leaves being especially dangerous.[16][20] Brugmansia are rich in Scopolamine(hyoscine), hyoscyamine, and several other tropane alkaloids.[21] Effects of ingestion can include paralysis of smooth muscles, confusion,tachycardia, dry mouth, diarrhea, migraine headaches, visual and auditory hallucinations, mydriasis, rapid onset cycloplegia, and death.[22][23][24]

The hallucinogenic effects of Brugmansia were described in the journal Pathology as "terrifying rather than pleasurable".[25] The author Christina Pratt, in An Encyclopedia of Shamanism, says that "Brugmansia induces a powerful trance with violent and unpleasant effects, sickening aftereffects, and at times temporary insanity".[16] These hallucinations are often characterized by complete loss of awareness that one is hallucinating, disconnection from reality, and amnesia of the episode, such as one example reported in Psychiatry and Clinical Neuroscience of a young man who amputated his own penis and tongue after drinking only 1 cup of Brugmansia tea.[26] The Swiss naturalist and explorer Johann von Tschudi described the effects of Brugmansia ingestion on one individual in Peru:

Soon after drinking the Tonga, the man fell into a dull brooding, he stared vacantly at the ground, his mouth was closed firmly, almost convulsively and his nostrils were flared. Cold sweat covered his forehead. He was deathly pale. The jugular veins on his throat were swollen as large as a finger and he was wheezing as his chest rose and sank slowly. His arms hung down stiffly by his body. Then his eyes misted over and filled with huge tears and his lips twitched convulsively for a brief moment. His carotids were visibly beating, his respiration increased and his extremities twitched and shuddered of their own accord. This condition would have lasted about a quarter of an hour, then all these actions increased in intensity. His eyes were now dry but had become bright red and rolled about wildly in their sockets and all his facial muscles were horribly distorted. A thick white foam leaked out between his half open lips. The pulses on his forehead and throat were beating too fast to be counted. His breathing was short, extraordinarily fast and did not seem to lift the chest, which was visibly fibrillating. A mass of sticky sweat covered his whole body which continued to be shaken by the most dreadful convulsions. His limbs were hideously contorted. He alternated between murmuring quietly and incomprehensibly and uttering loud, heart-rending shrieks, howling dully and moaning and groaning.[2]

Some municipalities prohibit the purchase, sale, or cultivation of Brugmansia plants.[2][27]

In 1994, 112 teenagers were admitted to hospitals from ingesting Brugmansia in Florida alone.[28] The concentrations of alkaloids in all parts of the plant differ markedly. They even vary with the seasons and the level of hydration, so it is nearly impossible to determine a safe level of alkaloid exposure.[22]


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RE: Scopolamine : derive from Brugmansia

So,what is your point ?????


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RE: Scopolamine : derive from Brugmansia

X2, what's your point????????????????


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RE: Scopolamine : derive from Brugmansia

Drinking lye or gasoline is bad,too, but not as pretty. ?????? Sounds like a sales pitch to some idiot druggies.
Bill


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RE: Scopolamine : derive from Brugmansia

Scopalamine is a motion sickness drug, delivered through the skin by a small patch placed behind the ear. My husband was on a cruise years ago, scratched his off by mistake, and not knowing any better, put another patch on. He overdosed and fell flat into his dinner plate cold out at dinner that night. I never thought about where it comes from.


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RE: Scopolamine : derive from Brugmansia

It always amazes me when someone gets all hot and bothered and starts sounding off about a plant being poisonous or a drug source so they won't plant it because they have children or there are children in the neighborhood or it is illegal to grow. Most of the plants in the garden are poisonous at some levels. Azaleas are very powerful alkaloids and poisonous. Monkshood is a member of the nightshade family and poisonous. Datura (which is also a source of scopolamine) is often eaten or smoked in imitation of native American vision quests using Jimson Weed (Datura stramonium) and poisonous. But they also taste terrible. Most children will spit the leaves out before they ingest enough to hurt them because the leaves are bitter. Those that end up in the hospital tend to be teenagers who were looking for a "high" and doing something dumb.

Poppies are the source of heroin and morphine. They are not illegal to grow in your garden (except if you intend to collect and process the sap into heroin). Nor is Jimsonweed illegal to grow. And neither are bananas, even though it was "common knowledge" in the sixties that you could smoke banana skins to get high.


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Not to mention tomatoes are nightshade,and you can find them in almost every garden,along with potatoes,foxgloves,poinsettias at christmas,and the list goes on. How about one of the most poisonus of all,tobacco,with nicotine.tulip and daffodils,and let's not exclude almond trees,and hemlock,and lets not forget paint sniffers and air conditioner fluid. The list goes on,and i too am tired of people freaking out over "things that are poisonus".Then there is alcohol !!!


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