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Starting Milkweed - Now

Posted by butterflyman 5 (My Page) on
Sat, Jan 30, 10 at 10:16

For newbies - here's how I start my tropical milkweed.
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Here is a link that might be useful: Starting Milkweed


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WOW! You really have a nice setup. Also, I like your web design. Most of our milkweed plants look dead from the cold.

I'd like to start some plants from seed this year. We have a sun room that gets a lot of light. What would the temperature need to be to start them there?

Good luck to you, Butterflyman. Keep us posted on your progress. I'm curious to know how long it will take for them to get 3" tall.


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  • Posted by brandon7 6b (like 7b now) TN (My Page) on
    Fri, Feb 5, 10 at 14:27

Some Asclepias benefit from soaking, followed by about 4 weeks of cold stratification, at around 25ºF to 40ºF, before planting. Then, they should be planted and held at about room temperature or slightly above, around 65ºF to 75ºF.

Others, like A. curassavica, should just be planted, without cold stratification, and germinate at around 65ºF to 75ºF.


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Thanks, Brandon. My milkweed seeds are A. Curassavica. During the winter months, the sun porch stays around 60F. I decided to go ahead and plant some seeds inside to see what happens. Last spring I sowed the seeds outside in the early spring. Although they came up, the plants did not grow very much. None of them were big enough to support a cat.

Believe it or not, we're supposed to get snow this evening. What a strange winter!


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It is best to give Curassavica a head start by planting inside. They will take off once transplanted.


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I also have milk weed coming up all over the garden. How do I ship them to you? Those horned tomato worms, what do they turn into? I even keep spiders in my greenhouse, they take care of any bugs. So they are keepers.
I also have some seed don't know what they are, they were in a flower arrangement as a filler then set seeds. Norma


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I have a bed that I direct sow tropical milkweed each year. I get a few hundred plants, but they never make it to seed by the end of the season, because the monarch cats defoliate them. I rarely even get to see the flowers.


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Hi, Norma. Those horned caterpillars on your tomatoe plants are either Tomatoe hornworms (Manduca quinquemaculata) or Tobacco hornworms (Manduca sexta). I attached a page from Bill Oehlke's website describing several different sphinx moths, including the Manduca tribe. You can check these out to see which one you have. The Tobacco Hornworm is much more common, though, than the Tomatoe Hornworm.

Susan


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Forgot the link......

Scroll down the page to click on and review Manduca quinquemaculata and Manduca sexta.

Susan

Here is a link that might be useful: Tomatoe and Tobacco Hornworms


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I walk out on the sunporch every morning in hopes of seeing some sign of life in my seed pots. Nothing yet!

Thanks for the link, Susan. I'm sure I'll visit the site often when it gets warmer to help identify strange, little visitors. Last year I discovered more unfamiliar caterpillars on my plants than usual. Unfortunately, I'm all too familiar with the tomato hornworms. They can do a lot of damage in a short period of time. They are not my friends!

Norma, I'm hoping that my milkweed plants only look dead, but aren't. Every year I try to add to my milkweed garden. The past two years that I've raised Monarch cats, we've always had to run out and buy more plants to save the last 15-20 cats. I just couldn't bear watching them crawl around here and there in search of one more leaf to eat. It's not easy trying to find good milkweed plants around here in late August, not to mention the cost.

Last year I cut my milkweed plants back to about 8 inches after the cats completely defoliated them. Then, I cut the tall stems into 8-in. cuttings, put root starter on them and set them out. I was amazed at how soon they started putting out leaves. I stuck them everywhere! It will be interesting to see if they had a strong enough root system to survive the winter cold. If the majority of those come back, I'll be in good shape this year. I'm going to remain optimistic!

It must be so nice to have your milkweed (and other plants) grow throughout the entire year.


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I have some milkweed seeds that need cold stratification - would it be best to go ahead now and plant outside in a large pot and then transplant later?

Thanks!
Kathy


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Kathy,

I'd put them in baggies with slightly dampened sand (one fourth teaspoon water to one fourth cup sand) and refrigerate them for 4 weeks. Leave them in the baggies and set in a warm, sunny location. You should get sprouting almost immediately. Then you can pot the sprouts. Handle the little plants by the leaves.

I am finding this to be best method. I just removed Sullivan's MW from fridge, and within 3 days, I had sprouts!

Good luck!

Sandy


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I just got some milkweed seeds that need cold-stratification. I put some in the frig and some outside. It will be interesting to see what happens.

My frig formula is 1/4 cup sand and 1/4 tsp water - mix then add the seeds - about 20


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For those who are interested, you can overwinter Curassavica inside in the colder zones. I tried this last winter and had such great success that I presently have 8 Curassavicas overwintering in my basement which is at about 5C all winter long. Rarely do I even have to tend to them, maybe just a bit of water every month. I cut them back to about one foot tall, plant them in potting soil and bring them in when the weather starts to turn. The leaves will tell you when to do this by turning a purple hue.

In April/May, I take them and place them upstairs in a south facing window and start watering more. They just spring back to life so quickly!

I started doing this because my season was a bit short for growing from seed and so I never got blooms in 2008. That winter I tried my first three inside and was so pleased with the results I decided to plant some more and try it again.

All of my seeds for Asclepias are sown as per the Winter Sowing Forum here at GW.


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Tiffy, thanks for this info. I always like to have some of my A. Curassavica inside pots for the Monarch cats. I also have limited sunny areas to plant them inground. This winter I will put some pots inside the garage or sunporch to see what happens. If this works, I'll always have some mature plants ready to go.

Just curious, do you have much light in your basement?

Bon


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I, too, tried overwintering A. curassavica this year. I kept mine in a cool greenhouse. So far, I've had a few nights where the GH dropped down to 25-26 degrees during night, early morning hours and these tropical milkweed have survived. I kept pinching off flower buds but am now allowing the buds to remain. I hope I'll have some flower buds ready to open by the time I can begin sitting them outside here in mid March. Maybe they will help feed the migrating butterflies. Obviously, if you allow these plants to become slowly cold hardened, they can take some cold temps if in a protected and covered area.

I didn't think to try a pot in an area without light so don't know how they would do without light. Perhaps the poster above will let us know what type of light, if any, was provided.

Mary


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Bon and Mary,

The room where the milkweed is overwintering has two small windows which get light from the sun rising in the east for a short time in the morning. Other than that they just get bright indirect light all day.


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Tiffy, that's excellent news!. We have 2 standard-sized windows in our garage which should provide enough light. If I converted correctly, 5°C is 41°F. After enjoying watching the Winter Olympics, I'm shocked that you have any plants left in the spring (LOL). Don't know where you are located, but it's so beautiful in Vancouver.

Mary, I'm especially encouraged when I hear that your A. Curassavica are still hanging in there after the temps went down to 25-26°F a few nights. This information also gives me hope that all of my outside milkweed isn't dead__just looks it.

Thanks so much, Tiffy & Mary!

Bon

Bon


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Bon,

Just want to clarify one thing. My A curassavica have always been in a cool greenhouse since early fall, protected from any frost. They would not survive outside in my beds. All of the outside A curassavica plants died with the first frost. These protected plants have never had frost on them and they slowly acclimated to the colder temps before the few really cold nights in the greenhouse were experienced. I doubt these plants would have survived the few hours of really cold temps in this protected area had they not already been cold hardened.

If you're referring to perennial milkweeds, they will go into dormancy through the winter (and appear dead) but should begin putting out new growth in the spring.

Mary


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Thanks, Mary. My milkweed is tropical, Mexican Milkweed (Asclepias Curassavica). The majority of my plants are located under the eaves of the house which gives them some protection from frost. All of these plants survived last winter. However, I lost all but 2 of the plants in the flower bed located out in the open. It will be interesting to see what happens this year. This year it was colder for a longer period of time.

I'm still excited to learn that I should be able to save some plants by putting them in the garage or on the sun porch for the winter. It's supposed to get down below freezing again this week. BUMMER!

Thanks again, Mary.


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Bon,

Vancouver is quite warm compared to us. They are hovering at 10C (50F) at this time and we are at -5C (25C) with swings down to -15C (0F) at times. I am located north of you on the east coast in Nova Scotia. My parents used to travel south and say your state was one of the prettiest and most welcoming!

Lots of things come back in the spring to make our summers look like this... :O)

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This info is great you all! I have wild milkweed that I've already cold-stratified, and I'm ordering ALL the other varieties from Stock Seed catalog to see if I can start them inside and get them to grow here in Nebraska. I had tons of monarch cats last year, so I want to be sure to have lots on hand for them! I'm using the clear plastic cookie container on top of the fridge method for the first time this year, so wish me luck. Good luck to all of you on raising lots of milkweed and having happy cats!


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Tiffy,

Now that’s a butterfly garden display with breath-taking beauty! Isn't it amazing how quickly the long, cold & gloomy days of winter become a distant memory when we, at last, gaze upon such beauty when summer arrives? I can't wait!

I’ve been snow skiing in Killington, VT (the closest I’ve ever been to your area). It sure gets cold up there in your neck of the woods. I’ll think of you tomorrow when our expected high is supposed to be 49°F and try my best to feel warmer. LOL

I’ve been planning a butterfly garden for my mom in middle Georgia. We have a lot of field stone that I’ve been trying to figure out how to incorporate into the bed. Your photo provided the answer.

It always makes me proud when hearing such nice comments from visitors to our state. Although I’m very partial, I must agree that Georgia's southern hospitality is second to none.

Thanks for posting your picture. It brightened my day!

Bon


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Catobsessed,

I do wish you luck! I was so excited yesterday to see some of my seeds are germinating in the window. I'm using the clear, plastic drink bottles. I put some of them in the minigreenhouses on February 2nd. I guess it's just been too cold and cloudy. Now that I've seen some growth popping up, I'll get busy and get more seeds started.

I'm interested to learn how successful you are with the seeds you ordered. Since I've learned on this thread that potted milkweeds can be stored inside during the winter, I'd like to try some different varieties.

Again, good luck. Keep us posted!

Bon


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Tiffy, your garden is gorgeous! I don't know that mine has ever looked that lush! We get so terribly hot here in the summer that most plants look burned up.

I've been as far north as Kittery, Maine, into Vermont and New Hampshire. Everything is so pretty there in summer.

I, too, use the 2 litre soda bottles to winter sow. They work great. No sign of my milkweed yet but hopefully soon.

Sigh.......spring should be here soon....

Susan


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I'm so excited about all of the little milkweed plants in my little, mini-greenhouses.

I was wondering how big the little guys should be before transplanting them outside. They look so fragile. Last year I sowed some seeds outside and the rains beat them up pretty bad. Half of them didn't make it. The plants that lived didn't get very big.

Anyway, just wanted to know what's worked for some of you who have experience in this area. Thank you.

Bon


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I keep mine inside until after frost danger. I plant them when the daytime temps are in the 80s. You will get better growth if you wait until warm weather.

Sandy


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Thank you, Sandy. I moved most of my mini-greenhouses outside today. They'll get more sunlight out there and it's warming up here...finally.

Thanks again!


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I usually pot mine up into small, 3-4" pots once they have 2 sets of true leaves. They really take off, and it isn't long before they're ready to go into the garden. Somehow those tiny little things aren't ready to go straight from the seedling tray straight into the garden - but that's been my experience.

Susan


 
 

 

 


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