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Troubling Emails About Monarch Winter Roasting Areas

Posted by rjj1 Norman OK Zone7 (My Page) on
Sat, Feb 6, 10 at 16:29

Has anyone else been getting these emails about the flooding in Angangueo and Tuxpan? It doesn't sound good. Lives have been lost there. This email came from Chip Taylor.

One email stated there was a freeze along with the flooding that killed a lot of butterflies. I'm hesitant to post very much about this email without some verification from other sources.

randy

Here is a link that might be useful: Local News Reports From Mexico


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RE: Troubling Emails About Monarch Winter Roosting Areas

  • Posted by rjj1 Norman OK Zone7 (My Page) on
    Sat, Feb 6, 10 at 16:31

Roosting, roasting? Spell check doesn't help much when you spell the wrong word right.

randy


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RE: Troubling Emails About Monarch Winter Roasting Areas

I have heard that the storms in Mexico have been very bad and I wondered how much the already small Monarch population would be affected. We may be lucky to see just a few this year.

Thanks for sharing, Randy.

Susan


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  • Posted by rjj1 Norman OK Zone7 (My Page) on
    Sat, Feb 6, 10 at 20:36

Susan,

I've gotten a few more emails that confirm there probably has been a hard freeze there. The monarchs can handle a dry freeze, but not a wet one. It doesn't sound very good.

This was forwarded to the Texas Butterfly list by a member.

*A little background to Chip's note attached below.A hgh percentage of the overwintering monarchs routinely handle temperatures that briefly dip into the upper 20F's when they are dry and somewhat protected by the warmth of
the forest, but mortality starts to kick in at 31F when they are wet,particularly if they are soaked. Chip mentions the "weather service algorithm" because the weather service doesn't have a thermometer that they monitor at Angangueo, instead they use an algorithm calculated from thermometers in surrounding cites to estimate the temp for Angangueo. Angangueo is at roughly 2600 meters (~ 8500 feet). The monarchs are in the mountains above at very roughly 3200 meters (~ 10500 feet) so ostensibly (depending on the amount of forest cover, etc.) they experience even colder temperatures.


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Not good, Randy. Of the few Monarchs we may see this year, and I say "may", it still seems like it could take a few years to rebuild the population, and that is assuming no wet, freezing temps and no illegal logging.

I was curious about the lowest population over the last several years and reviewed a graph from learners.org. This year's overwintering brood is the lowest in the graph for populations recorded since 1994-95. So, things are not looking up for us this year.

A news article published in 2002 at Monarch Watch, addresses the affect of the big freeze that occurred then and which could also reflect the grim prospects for the population this year, too, states as follows:

"The January freeze prompts the question: How important is catastrophic mortality to the overall dynamics of the monarch population? Historically, extremes in the weather are part of the environmental background in which monarchs evolved. In general, species which occasionally experience high death rates due to catastrophic mortality have high birth rates and therefore the capacity to recover their numbers when conditions return to normal. The monarch fits this pattern. Female monarchs have the ability to produce 400 or more eggs in their lifetime and when conditions are favorable a sufficient number of caterpillars survive to the adult stage to replace and even increase the population."

What this article does not take into account is the already low populations due to forest degradation.

"If this is the case, do we really need to worry about catastrophic mortality in monarchs? (Biologists call this "density independent mortality" since the mortality is due to extrinsic events that are unrelated to the density of the population.) In stable environments catastrophic mortality could depress a population for a short time, perhaps a few years, but we would expect the population to recover. ***However, habitat degradation which contributes to the mortality by increasing exposure to the weather extremes could have a longer lasting impact on the population.**** This is our concern with monarchs. If the forest in the overwintering areas is degraded and this degradation leads to higher than normal attrition of the overwintering monarchs and even higher mortality in snow, ice or freezing rain storms, then the time needed for the population to recover after catastrophic mortality will increase. Furthermore, if the number of overwintering colonies is reduced due to deforestation, the vulnerability of the population to catastrophic mortality is likely to increase. Biologically this will be the equivalent of putting all the eggs in one basket and sooner or later catastrophic mortality at the remaining colonies could result in a substantial reduction of the population. Measures of the mortality of monarchs in forests of differing qualities are needed to determine the relationship of mortality to the integrity of the forest and the most favorable conditions for overwintering monarchs.

"The monarch mortality in this particular instance can not be directly attributed to the condition of the forests. The weather pattern from 11- 16 January was massive and it was the rainfall that wetted the butterflies combined with the extreme low temperatures that killed the monarchs. Conversion of landscapes over large areas, such as changing forests to agricultural lands, increases the albedo (reflection of incident radiation) which can result in lower rainfall and greater temperature extremes over broad regions. This may have been a factor. Clearly, the severity of this weather event was unusual and was more extreme than any winter weather recorded since the monarch overwintering sites became known to scientists."

Now, this is the part that is frightening:

"In retrospect, it appears to be fortunate that the January freeze occurred this year, a year in which the overwintering population was robust (about 100 million butterflies). Even though estimated mortality due to the January freeze is extremely high (>80%) the number of surviving butterflies may be sufficient to recolonize the breeding areas without a long-term depression of the population. ****Had this storm occurred last season when the overwintering population was at an all time low (28.3 million), it is likely that it would have taken the population many years to return to normal levels of 60-120 million overwintering butterflies."****

......and since this year's population is at an all time low, there is no "robust population" this year, the Monarchs are experiencing a double whammy so to speak - the diminishing forests AND the weather.

A really good spring in south Texas for the returning Monarchs would certainly help in regaining some ground. So, let's hope that happens.

Susan

Here is a link that might be useful: Population Graph


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I just got the same news from Journey North, said the flood took place last Friday. The orads up into the sanctuary were washed out. I would assume the heavy rains would also kill many of the butterflies.


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Today I read that 10% of the Monarchs had died. I read this on Edith's page on Facebook.

Sandy


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50 years ago I had Monarchs pass this way every year, we also uses to have swallows on the side of my neighbors house, also bats in the trees, no more. I haven't seen them in years, also most of our bees are gone. We don't seem to have the old bee species we used to have. I do have a little white butterfly once in a while which it is native here. I miss them, natural life has disappeared. No lizards or toads either. Norma


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Hi, Norma. What area of the country are you in?

Do you grow nectar or host plants for the butterflies? I sure hope the butterflies don't disappear from my location. That would be very depressing cuz I love them so much.

Susan


 
 

 

 


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