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Posted by misssherry Z8/9MS (My Page) on Sun, May 31, 09 at 16:24
I always enjoy perky little sleepy oranges, so I brought some in to raise myself. They've already started to emerge. I got a picture of this one right before and right after it emerged. I'm pretty sure by his coloring that he's a male - you can see his antennae through the pupal case -
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| As always outstanding pictures Sherry. You got the perky part right. Talk about a common name that doesn't fit. Swing a net at one and miss, and you're in for a wild zig-zagging chase at full throttle through the nastiest weed patch they can find. If they can't shake you that way, they'll suddenly dive into the plant understory, and you will never find them. BTW, that's from my earliet collecting days before I learned to study the life history and habits of a bug to figure out an easy way to catch it. Did you get to see the dorsal side of its wings before it departed? |
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| Beautiful! That pic prior to eclosion is amazing. |
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No, Larry - he had just emerged when I took the last picture, then I put him back in the cage, and when I came back just a little while later, he was flying around like crazy wanting out. I rarely ever get to see the dorsal side (I assume that's topside and ventral side is the underside) because when they nectar, they keep their wings up. I can see the dark edging through their wings, though. Sleepy orange is indeed a poor name choice for these butterflies! Like you say, they zig-zag all over the place! Thanks, Bernergrrl! I enjoy every aspect of butterflying. I do butterfly "work" between housework, cooking, mowing, etc. to keep me going! Sherry |
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| Just asked because the doral (top) wing patterns/colors are a very reliable way to sex this bug even if on the wing. The ventral (bottom) colors and patterns are very variable, especially between its 2-3 broods a season, and there are intergrades as well. Makes sexing the bug ventrally much harder to do (with the summer form especially). A picture may be worth a thousand words, but its still not better than a bug in hand. Even so, the mostly bright yellow ventral hindwing in your picture does fit for an early summer brood, but it also has color and markings resembling a summer female to me (so does the pupal picture). Could be the clines in the SE are different than in the SW too though. While I've come across this bug in many places (not in your state but fairly close in FL for example), all the ones I collected or reared over the years were from either UT or along the AZ/MX border. So I've never worked directly with this bug from the SE beyond just noting its presence, and have to base on the SW colonies. Regardless, all just food for thought. You have a lot of earned knowledge about the leps in your area, so your instincts should be pretty good. |
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| Magnificent pupal picture. You are the best! I love the Sleepy oranges. Around here they can be pretty slow to move when they find a particularly enticing flower. Sandy |
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Thanks, Sandy! Larry, the one in the picture may very well be a female. I think I was confusing sleepy oranges with little yellows. With little yellows, which I've also raised, the females are significantly paler than the males, almost pure white. With sleepy oranges, the sexes are about the same color, so you're right, it probably is a female. Another one has emerged this morning, also bright yellow, and another one is showing through brightly - I don't think they're all males! Your expertise is wonderful, Larry, especially since I'm getting, um, foggy. :) Sherry |
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| Interesting Sandy. In the southwest they are not known to be much of a flower visitor, but they are a serious puddler. Male puddle parties can number in the hundreds while females tend to find their own private piece of wet real estate. Sherry, as I've said before I often trust instinct, a product of so many years doing the leps. Doesn't mean I'm right though by any means. It's one of those bird in hand things to be absolutely sure. Our Eurema lisa is nominate (E. l. lisa). The males and females are both yellow (the females are a little lighter/clearer yellow overall), but this species also throws pure white albinic females in common with some of the other Coliadinae species. While I can't say that I've collected females of this particular species that are an obvious intergrade between yellow/white, I have of other Coliadinae species so I'm sure it occurs. Another tidbit that might be of interest. In the SW areas where they both occur, the only way to accurately distinguish E. lisa from E. nise on the wing is by their flight patterns because they are so very similar in size/color/markings. A trick I learned... while both species will patrol borders of scrubby habitats, E. lisa is an open space denizen that usually can't even be frightened into the scrubby areas whereas E. nise dives into that cover for protection if frightened instead of flushing to the open areas. L. |
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I made some pictures of little yellows/E. lisa last year, at least that's what I thought they were. The first picture is a male, and the second is a pale female -
These were close-up pictures that make them look bigger than they are - they're very small, the caterpillars are tiny, and they go through their life cycle very rapidly. Sherry |
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| You thought right. Not to worry Sherry. Eurema nise doesn't occur in your neck of the woods. Size wise the only other Eurema you'll likely see there similar to Eurema lisa is E. daira, and there is no way you'd misidentify them as E. lisa or vise versa. Tiny as these two are, they are still fairly big compared to our smallest resident Coliadinae, Nathalis iole. |
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| Great shots. Specially that one who took a butterfly coming out of its cocoon. Is that the right spelling for that?By the way, nice shots. |
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| National Geographic worthy pictures. Sherry, I'm always delighted when you post pictures. I also love reading the conversations between you and Larry - very enlightening. |
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| Hey Edna, always great to hear from you. No doubt Sherry does a heck of a job with simple equipment when it comes to the lep pictures. The conversations are probably OK if you have hip boots on I supppose. LOL BTW, don't forget to keep July 25th at Lover's Point marked on your calendar. |
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| Oh yes! I have that marked. I've never been to Pacific Grove. I've never been to Yosemite either. How pitiful is that. Edna |
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While searching for a picture of monarchs, I ran across a picture of a dainty sulphur/Nathalis iole - this is the only sulphur that ever occurs in my area (that I've seen, at least) that doesn't use Senna/Cassia. They're rare here, so it's always interesting to see them.
Sherry |
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Edna, Never knew anybody in the BA that didn't travel a bunch - just kind of a way of life there. Even when I lived in SF and Berkeley if you wanted to stay in Yosemite you had to have reservations way ahead, and that was in the 60's. Can't imagine what a pain it would be now, and crowed. Lets see, you're in the NBA, right ( in "V")? If you do go down for the FOL, you'll want to at least do all day Saturday to mid day Sunday so you can do the Sat night pagent at LP. Better plan way ahead for a place to stay. Sherry, Another nice picture. Here in the west Nathalis iole can be very common in some localized places, very rare in others and totally missing in yet others with little rhyme or reason as to why. Has nothing to do with habitat... they can be found along agricultural crop land borders, in low desert scrub, high plateau desert, riparian to even subalpine habitats. I've reared them from all of these different habitats over the years. Easiest place to find them around here is not on the desert, but rather in a particular mountain meadow at about 8,000' in the Spring Mountains where they are like flies in a garbage dump some years and nowhere to be found others. That's probably normally because most northern areas are repopulated by migrations and have no year-round resident populations. But I'm not convinced we don't have year-round residents here (was trying to prove that when the health ended my doing field work). Fun little bug that seldom flies more than a couple of inches above the ground. Larry |
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Yes, Larry, as I recall, they stay close to the ground, and their flight would better be described as a wobble. Sherry |
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I was out watering in my garden AGAIN in this unbearable heat today and accidentally flushed out a pair of mating sleepy oranges. They moved over to the lantana, so I just had to get their picture. The male is the one above and the female is below?
Sherry |
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| Yup, my observation is that the male drags the female around with him. He goes about the business of nectaring etc, and she is stuck upside down! This seems to be true of all the lep I've observed. Sandy Here's a shot of a Sleepy Orange ready to eclose that I took this morning. 
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Sleepy oranges are the most visible through their pupal case of any butterfly I've ever seen, Sandy. Your butterfly looks just like mine! Sherry |
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| I doubt I've ever looked at this thread before since Sleepy Oranges are not around here. Glad I looked since that is a cool chrysalis. |
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