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Posted by misssherry Z8/9MS (My Page) on Wed, Oct 21, 09 at 19:42
| An announcer said on the hourly news on a Biloxi radio station this morning that people should be watching their redbay and sassafras trees, because there's a beetle that's made its way all the way from Georgia and South Carolina to the Pascagoula River basin in Jackson County - this beetle is causing the death of laurels, he said. Of course this is the dreaded bug-caused disease I've been worried about. I'm not sure which part of the Pascagoula basin they're referring to, but my house is 36 miles northeast of the center of it in Jackson County.
Redbay/Persia borbonia, swampbay/P. palustris, and sassafras/S. albidum are the principal host plants in this area for palamedes and spicebush swallowtails. If these plants get wiped out, I don't know how these butterflies will survive.
In my book Butterfly Gardening for the South by Geyata Ajilvsgi, she says that sweetbay magnolia/M. virginiana is a host for both these butterflies and tulip tree/Liriodendron tulipifera is a host for spicebush swallowtails - she lists other hosts, including the ones I've mentioned, but they're all in the laurel family. I've never found a palamedes or spicebush cat on either of these "non laurels", but then the principal host plants are still abundant, so there would be no need for the swallowtails to use them. Since M. virginiana and L. tulipifera aren't laurels, I assume they won't be victims of this beetle that carries the disease. So, I've decided to order some sweetbay magnolia trees to add to what's here naturally - I lost several in the hurricane due to big pines falling on them - and also some tulip trees - I lost one big one in Katrina. I plan to grow them in containers in my garden for as long as the roots will allow - hopefully, palamedes and/or spicebush swallowtails will lay some eggs on them, since they'll be right by the nectar plants. When the trees get too big for me to pot up, I'll plant them out in the woods in appropriate spots. When I find cats of either type, regardless of whether I find them on the tuliptree or sweetbay or the sassafras and redbays that grow here already, I plan on bringing them in and feeding them with sweetbay and/or tulip tree leaves to see if they can thrive on them. I wonder if you can train butterflies to start laying their eggs on alternate host plants if they don't do it automatically?
I also planted several types of Lindera/spicebushes on my property last year, several of which are Asian in origin - maybe the Asian spicebushes will be resistant to the disease? I've never found any cats on them, but then, again, the principal hosts hosts have always been plentiful. Sweetbay leaves smell like redbay leaves, only the scent is much milder, and the magnolias are listed right by the laurels in my tree books, so I imagine they're pretty closely related to each other on the botanical family tree.
On a happier note, I saw four gulf frits in my garden today, plus several cloudless sulphurs, sleepy oranges, and little yellows. There are also still quite a few gulf frit cats on my passionvines - the P. caeruleas have resprouted considerably, and several other types of passiflora have done so a little bit.
The pentas, porterweeds, and turk's caps are still blooming in my garden - I got this picture of a gulf frit nectaring on pentas -
Sherry |
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| Yeah I've been reading about this beetle infestation, it's what made me decide NOT to purchase a red bay this summer after I had been planning to do so for a while. sigh. Hopefully the butterflies will adapt as they are sometimes known to do, as things look bleak from what I have heard for the red bay. On the bright side here, we awoke to a little sprinkle (it's been VERY dry for the last four weeks) and an eclosing monarch and GF this morning. |
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| Hmmmm what next? I attached an article I just gave a cursory read that states that saplings, while not impervious, appear to be quite resistant to the beetle. Also, Avocados do not appear as susceptible as other lauraceae genus. Also provides a visual guideline of what to look for re symptoms. Very alarming issue, MissSherry. Susan |
Here is a link that might be useful: Ambrosia Beetke
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Yes, NABA has had some postings about this. Here is post about it. - Elisabeth "Very bad news - the redbay killer/disease is not far from North Carolina, and moving north at a fast clip. This is the primary hostplant for Palamedes Swallowtail, and we've heard horror stories about the total loss of the redbay (Persea spp.) and severe declines of the swallowtail, in n. FL, coastal GA, and s.e. SC. Does anyone know if the swallowtail use sassafras as a hostplant? I sure hope so, but certainly the redbay is the main hostplant, as the butterfly is confined to the Coastal Plain (as is redbay), and especially favors swamps, bottomlands, pocosins, etc., where this tree abounds. Sassafras occurs over the Piedmont and mountains, areas where the butterfly is not found." |
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| I have known about this for a couple of years now. In fact, I have sent the berries off my Redbay to a place in Georgia where they were trying to start new trees. I think if you do a search you will find it. I also sent Biosparite (sp?) some seeds last year and got news back that some had germinated and were going to b e planted in a park in Houston. I have a bunch of berries now if you want some, Miss Sherry. The Spicebush here use my Camphor trees much more than my Redbay. |
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Camphor trees are in the laurel family, also, Mary, so if this disease kills all laurels, they might be susceptible, too. I've thought about adding a camphor tree here, anyway - it's pretty common on the coast. I've seen quite a few berries/fruit on the redbays here, so I may get some of them to plant, although there may be no point. I sent Biosparite some seeds last year, too. Elisabeth, it's supposed to moving at a rapid pace westward, also. In my area, both sassafras and redbay/swampbay grow, with sassafras only growing on well-drained land, and the other two growing most everywhere, not necessarily just in swampy areas. I've never found a palamedes cat on sassafras, but I've raised the two together and the palamedes cat would cross the cage and eat the spicebush cat's extra sassafras leaf, with no ill effects. Likewise, I only find spicebush cats on sassafras and my native bog spicebushes - they've never eaten redbay in cages. It's very upsetting to me to hear about host plants getting fatal diseases and such! I'll check out the link, Susan. Sherry |
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| If Redbay is the preferred host for the beetle, maybe not all is lost. Those little spikey things that they cause from burrowing into the wood look downright Twilight Zone to me! Elisabeth. the SBST does use Sassafras in our zone. That's what Sandy finds her caterpillars on. The beetle does attack it as well, though, from everything I read about it's spread among the laurel family members. Even reports of beetle attacks on Liriodendron tulipifera (magnoliaceae family) that is sometimes used as a host by the SBST. That said, it appears that Red Bay is the favored host for the beetle. Susan |
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- Posted by htown North Houston (My Page) on
Sat, Oct 24, 09 at 20:15
| Yea, since we've known about this for nearly a decade you'd think it would be enough for the butterfly gardening Nazis to stop recommending the purchase of plants from the infected areas. Obviously the ego boost that raising as many butterflies as possible indoors, then posting online about it, gives some people is just too much even when it jeapardizes an entire butterfly specie. Just as truth is a very scarce and undervalued virtue, the stingyness with which certain people hold on to their close minded perspectives no matter how void of fact and removed from reality they may be, neither is likely to change. The problem is the lack of an independent cognitive process in the masses. People would rather let someone else tell them what is what, rather then actually using their brain for it's intended purpose. .... but what can you say about people with debts they'll never be able to repay for their formal "educations"(brainwashings), and voted for Obama because he mentioned something about change. Pay no mind to who he appointed as financial advisors, and order some redbays from the East Coast while your at. It is time for CHANGE!!! LOL!!! |
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| Palamedes will host on Aristolochea gigantea, at least in Houston. A neighbor of mine, whose west boundary fence is pretty well overrun by this plant, has dozens to hundreds of Palamedes caterpillars on her vines over the Houston summer. |
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Biosparite, if you're in Texas, you must not be the one I sent seeds to - I think I sent my redbay seeds to some place in South Carolina or Florida, somewhere on the east coast. I'm amazed that palamedes swallowtails will use A. gigantea - it seems so unrelated to laurels! I guess I'm going to have to look this vine up to see how cold hardy it is - if it's tropical, it may not survive the winter here. Sherry |
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- Posted by htown North Houston (My Page) on
Fri, Oct 30, 09 at 21:19
| Well, with the discovery of a living Texas lawyer who has been practicing butterfly gardening since '86 I am going to have reevaluate the electrical model of the universe. |
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| Are you sure the cats eating the gigantea aren't Polydamas cats, Biosparite? BTW, I found a Red Bay seedling growing among my Milkweed today. It was very obvious since it has the galls that I see on my tree all the time. |
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| Hi Sherry! Hadn't seen you posting for a while on the other forum, so dropped by to see how you're doing. I still haven't gotten any Monarch cats this year. Found 6 eggs on my milkweed lately while I was seeing a Monarch nectaring every morning for a while. So I thought it was Monarch eggs. The next morning, both a Monarch and a Queen were there. And sure enough...all 3 eggs hatched so far were Queen cats! The extreme drought and heat we had until this fall really affected our butterfly turnout. For most of the summer, it was so bad that even the mosquitos were completely gone. Trees were dying in the summer, including some black cherry trees. Good thing there's so many of them, so we still have some left for the butterflies. I had 3 spicebush plants. Thought one died during midst of the heat waves, but it finally started coming back from the roots after the rains were around a while. At least it will someday be a decent size plant again! |
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No monarch cats this year, Linda? And not even any mosquitoes? Now that's dry! I'm glad you at least got some queens. I was glad to see radar of rains over Texas fairly recently, and I KNOW people in Texas were! My butterflying is about over for the season, even though there are a good many butterflies still flying. I've seen lots of sulphurs, gulf frits, and long-tailed skippers, and a few red admirals and buckeyes, and a red-spotted purple has been fluttering around the wild black cherry tree right in front of my house. I saw her slide down a leaf, so she probably laid an egg on it, but I couldn't see her well enough to be sure. Thee is a little bitty RSP cat that's made itself a hibernaculum on the same tree, so I'm watching it with interest. I've been busy with other things, like planting out trees, picking up and burning sticks, etc. We'll be going to New Orleans for the first time in YEARS two weeks from now, and when we get back we'll pick up the puppy we've made a down payment on. She's an adorable cavalier king charles spaniel - I've always wanted one. Here's a picture I took of my husband holding her a few weeks ago when she was just 4 weeks old - she was just getting the pigment on her nose -
We're naming her Sooky Jane. When I was growing up, my Daddy's favorite pet name for me was Sooky Jane. I think he knew somebody with that name, and thought it was funny. Actually, the aunt who actually raised Truman Capote right up the road from where he grew up was named Sook Faulk, so maybe it was locally common. Anyway, we're all excited about getting her! Sherry |
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| Aw, she's SO cute! Bet she'll soon be spoiled silly! I really love our kitties, all 5 of them. I didn't get any RSP cats this year either. We started getting rain again in September...it's been really great! The only downside was the return of the mosquitos! But they should be gone as soon as it gets colder. |
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| Just out of curiousity, what is this mysterious beetle that's threatening the populations of this plant. It was mentioned by the OP, but no one has named the actual species of beetle that is causing the problem. |
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It's called the amobrosia beetle/Xyleborus glabratus - it's not native, being from southeast Asia. The disease that it causes that kills laurels is called laurel wilt/Raffaela lauricola. Here's a link to an article. Sherry |
Here is a link that might be useful: Ambrosia Beetle/Laurel Wilt
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