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Advice on these cold hardy cacti

0nametaken0
10 years ago

Hello guys, I will be purchasing:

Echinocereus reichenbachii
Escobaria vivipara
Escobaria vivipara var. buoflama

in a few weeks as it slowly gets warmer. I wanted to know how these will do in zone 5. This winter we had several weeks of -13f weather, so I want to use this an bench. I will be keeping them in my balcony year round. I emailed the online nursery and they suggested these three for my zone. The plants are 2 years old or more, they are being grown in the south. So I wanted to know their first winter wont be a problem right? Is there something else I need to know?

My bro said that they wont do well because down south is their happy place, if it says they are hardy to zone 5, it does not mean they will flourish here. From my knowledge, I told him that during winter, they will go dormant and grow during summer. During summer we have long, hot days. So in the end they should flourish here.

Comments (14)

  • Dzitmoidonc
    10 years ago

    They might have a chance if you keep them dry (and I mean DRY) in the winter. One wet period and they turn to mush when it warms up. Been there.

  • 0nametaken0
    Original Author
    10 years ago

    Thank you for the quick reply. This past winter we did have two winter storms that had windy conditions. So my balcony did recieve maybe 1 cm of snow. Would that be a problem? I doubt when that snow melts it would pecolate deep enough to hit the roots. So during winter the most snow or water they will get is 2 to 3 cm.

  • cactusmcharris, interior BC Z4/5
    10 years ago

    At least Escobaria vivipara grows up here, AFAIK, on the Alberta plains (it's probably in lower BC, too). As Pete elucidates, this cactus's protection is snow (it's used to being buried), and if it has that it will be fine come spring (and snow melt).

    This post was edited by cactusmcharris on Fri, Mar 28, 14 at 18:46

  • chrisware
    10 years ago

    Vivipara is a tough little booger. I don't often protect it other that it's first year. The echino is tough too, but out of three, I only have one left.

    I'm in West Virginia in the mountains. Prior to this year mine only got down to -9. This winter though we had negative temp way towards -20 and horrible winds to go with them.
    You may also want to try some of the echino triglo... Torch cacti... Can't remember the spelling right now. Out if five plants, I've only lost one.

    There are lots of opuntias that you could grow too.

    I love trying out hardy cacti and succulents. I did,have a beautiful collection of agave truncata, which isn't as hardy as the others, and I grew them for five or six years. Unfortunately after this nasty winter, I think I've lost all but two.

    Truly though, dryness is key

    Good luck,
    Chris

  • 0nametaken0
    Original Author
    10 years ago

    Hi Chris, thank you for the reply. Wetness, happily, is not my problem since its in a balcony. I think Im confident enough to try them out, I think I will be ordering them soon. Id love to buy more cacti hardy to zone 5 but the availability is the problem.

  • cactus_cowboy
    10 years ago

    I've had Echinocereus reichenbachii and Escobaria vivipara (as well as other species) growing outdoors in my rock gardens in NW Wyoming for fifteen years with minimal losses. This is USDA Zone 4 with winter lows down to about -20 ~ -25F.

  • 0nametaken0
    Original Author
    10 years ago

    Amazing! Thats what I wanted to hear. I think now Im 100% sure that I will be getting them. Just need succulent soil.

    Edit: if I post the link to the nursery Im buying from, could someone look at it and tell me which cacti could survive zone 5? Perhaps a private message?

    Thanks all for the replies, it really helped.

    This post was edited by NameTaken on Wed, Apr 2, 14 at 15:23

  • cactus_cowboy
    10 years ago

    I'll just list a few more that I've had success with here:

    Pediocactus simpsonii
    Sclerocactus parviflorus
    Echinocereus triglochidiatus
    Echinocereus viridiflorus
    Opuntia polyacantha
    Opuntia fragilis
    Cylindropuntia imbricata
    Escobaria missiouriensis

    Some of these are wide-ranging species. Given a choice, I've selected clones from northern regions, for example C. imbricata sourced from Colorado, to grow here.

  • 0nametaken0
    Original Author
    10 years ago

    Thanks for the list, most look similar to what I will be getting. I want to add different looks. The cholla looks interesting but it grows a little too weird. Im in love with Escobaria leei (spelled in too many ways) but I just cant find it on sale anywhere online.

  • danbonsai
    10 years ago

    Hey Cowboy et al, thanks for your input.

    After seeing your recent posts & admiring your pics, I too was wondering which cactus might do well outdoors in z4.

    Other than Opuntia sp. I did not realize there were other choices that would do well in this cooler temperate zone.

    Hopefully I will have some success in locating some of your winners.

    Thanks,
    Dan

  • wantonamara Z8 CenTex
    10 years ago

    I found Escobaria leei at Riogrande cactus. They had it last year at the international cactus convention.They have been traveling and now they are traveling around to C&S shows. I saw that they had their site closed down till their traveling stops. I will be seeing them this Saturday at a C&S show in Austin. I am hoping that they bring their Escobaria sulcata.

  • cactus_cowboy
    10 years ago

    Also consider size. Many Opuntias will grow into large sprawling plants. My Cylindropuntia imbricata specimens grow quite large, up to about 5' high and 8' wide. They're also pretty wicked plants, not good if there are careless or inattentive children & pets around and not good for placing near walkways.

  • 0nametaken0
    Original Author
    10 years ago

    wantonamara, I finally found someone who will be selling them soon. So Im happy and will wait. They also have the plants I mentioned in the first post, so I will be ordering from him. He has other plants as well.

    cowboy, Im also thinking of ordering Cylindropuntia imbricata, only because its a fast grower. These plants will be in my balcony year round. The reason I want a fast grower is because they are quick to show signs of stress. So if Im doing something wrong, I will know rather than 3 months in. Im also looking round the net to find more zone 5 plants. The list you mentioned is good but I find majority of them to be too similar looking. I might get a prickly pear too, but they dont appeal much to me.

  • wantonamara Z8 CenTex
    10 years ago

    These people list things by zone and I find that helpful.

    Here is a link that might be useful: Intermountain cactus