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| I have several white and green variegated and recently put them outside where they get morning sun. Only one pot was labeled "TriColor" when I bought them. All of them are getting rosy edges, so I am guessing that they are all "TriColor". Are there any other named clones of green/white/rose except TriColor? Are there any green/white that do not get rosy sections when in the sun?
What is the difference between the Solana and the Lemon Lime clone? Are they both gold/green? Do they get rosy also? Someone posted a pix of a variegated Gollum (if memory serves). Are variegated finger jades extremely rare? I have been watching on ebay and haven't seen any. |
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| " Are variegated finger jades extremely rare? I have been watching on ebay and haven't seen any." I'm afraid this is the only question I can answer,lol... Yes, variegated gollum is very rare...I've never seen one for sale in the US so far :o( |
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| Thanks for the info. Well I guess I can write variegated finger jade off my want list and put it on a wish list. Most likely even if I did find one, I wouldn't be able to afford it. |
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| Hi, theoretically every kind of jade tree could develope rosy or red colors under the right conditions (lots of sun and cold temperatures). Some sorts do it more and some do it less. To the variegated Jade-Clones: yes there are lots of different named variegated cultivars of jade. The most common type is Crassula ovata obliqua "Tricolor" ... a variegated form with acute leaves. Typical leaves show white edges and a more or less green center.
Crassula ovata obliqua "Solana" is a cultivar that was first descriped from Russia. In contrast to "Tricolor" it shows a reverted kind of variegation with a white/yellow center and green edges.
These two kinds of variegation (white "center"- and white "edge"-variegation) are found in many variegated plant species (e.g. Portulacaria afra "Variegata" and "Medio-Variegata"). Actually both kinds have the same mutation just affecting different cell layers of the leaf ... but thats another story (for more details see: http://generalhorticulture.tamu.edu/hort604/lecturesuppl/anatomychimer as/anatomychimeras05.htm) In rare cases one kind of variegation could change to the other kind of variegation (e.g. from "tricolor" to "Solana") but in most cases the changes go directly to entirely white or green leaves. So if you are lucky you could find a "Solana"-branch on a "Tricolor"-plant. "Lemon and Lime" is just another trading-name for "Tricolor", maybe it is sometimes also used as a synonym for "Solana". --- Also the normal jade with round leaves exists in different variegated forms. Crassula ovata "variegata" typically shows a variegation that in young, developing leaves is green-yellow and that gets more white in older ones( in "Tricolor the variegation is always yellow/white).
In Japan they also have a "Solana"-like round leaf jade with a variegatded center that at the moment is still quite rare and only hard to get Additionally there exists a form that shows the "hummels sunset"-Mutation together with a the Variegata-Mutation:
Finally two pics of other rare variegated jades. Crassula ovata "gollum variegata"
and Crassula arborescens "Blue Bird Variegata"
I guess it is just a question of time until other kinds of variegated jades will be found ... e.g. something like "Crosbys Compacta Variegata" or "Hobbit variegata". ... hope this was helpfull. Best regards, |
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| Ben, Ben, Ben...boy do I LOVE your Variegated Gollum!! That is definitely on my wish list. Wonder how long it will be before we ever see them for sale for a reasonable price? Thanks for posting your beautiful pictures! |
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- Posted by greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a (My Page) on Sat, Jun 9, 12 at 12:11
| Ben, thanks so much for stopping in! Your pictures and descriptions have been so helpful. There is a variegated 'Hobbit' available now, but it is still uncommon. Good morning, Nancy! Josh |
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- Posted by JessieC777 Washington State 5 (My Page) on Sat, Jun 9, 12 at 12:15
| I'm drooling over all this lovely jade variegation! :-) |
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- Posted by marguerite Ireland (My Page) on Sat, Jun 9, 12 at 12:51
| They are absolutely lovely, and very healthy-looking too. |
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| Ben, Thank you so much!!!!!!!! I have really struggled trying to figure out the exact differences between the various variegated jades and you explain it so perfectly. Can you stand answering another question? I have tried to figure out what causes the color changes in Hummels Sunset and Crosby Compact. Is it water, temperature, or sunlight. Or a combo of all three. I bought a sunset and compact and it only took them a couple of weeks to lose most of their color. They are in my gh, and the section they are in gets a fair amount of shade during the day. I have seen several posts on this forum saying that cool temps cause the color in these two clones. But the nursery that I buy from brings their stock mostly from Calif. How does the grower keep color on these plants if cooler temps are the activator? |
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- Posted by paracelsus (My Page) on Sat, Jun 9, 12 at 13:54
| Is it water, temperature, or sunlight. Or a combo of all three? All three. Season is a major factor (temperature and sunlight duration). Stress from lack of water and lots of bright light will accentuate normal seasonal variations. |
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| ... i just can agree with paracelsus, it is a mixture of all three factors. I think strong light is the most important factor. @josh: Do you have a picture of of the variegated Hobbit? |
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- Posted by meyermike_1micha 5 (mikerno_1@yahoo.com) on Sat, Jun 9, 12 at 18:33
| Hey Ben!!!! How's it going over the pond? Beautiful plants and information. So much appreciated... Mine are coming along slowly but surely:-) My variegated 'Gollum' is finally pushing out good growth. It's good to see the whole gang here. I hope everyone is well. Mike |
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- Posted by greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a (My Page) on Sun, Jun 10, 12 at 13:16
| Mike, it's great to see you, buddy! ;-) Ben, Mike is the owner of the variegated 'Hobbit,' and I believe he's posted a recent pic.
Josh |
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| Hi, Mike, your variegated gollum looks really nice ... already quite big. Josh, do you mean the variegated hobbit that is shown here? http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/cacti/msg051940394339.html For me it looks like "Red Horn Tree" Regards, |
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- Posted by greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a (My Page) on Mon, Jun 11, 12 at 11:24
| Maybe Mike can post some other pics of the 'Hobbit' cuttings. Josh |
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- Posted by FrenchSucculents none (My Page) on Tue, Jun 12, 12 at 7:49
| Hi ! Ben, Laurent |
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| Hi Laurent, yes it is quite complicated with the correct and valid names for jade trees. It starts with the species name (e.g. ovata, argentea, portulacea or obliqua) and ends with the cultivar name (e.g. Gollum, Lady fingers, Skinny Fingers, Coral, Horn tree etc.). Officially the name that was published first is the valid name ... for the species name i guess this is documented quite clear (Cotyledon ovata Miller, 1768) ... but for the cultivar names it is in most cases quite hard to find out who was the first who named it. Therefore you need lots of old literature and lots of time to read it. Especially today in the time of Internet it is quite hard because wrong names easily get fixed. People (maybe me too) are just copiing wrong information from people that also had copied these information ... and so on. Additionally in the internet it is not easy to find out who first posted a specific name. I wouldn´t use "obliqua" as a species name but as a name for a subspecies or variant ... like Crassula ovata ssp. obliqua or Crassula ovata var. obliqua. This would indicate that obliqua (acute leaves) is not a garden cultivar but a wild occuring type of crassula ovata. This also makes it easy to distinguish cultivars that have developed from the acute leaf (Tricolor, Solana, Shin Kagetsu)or the round leafe jade (Variegata/Lemon&Lime, Hummels Sunset). I would use it like the undulatifolia for Crassula arborescens var. undulatifolia, which also should be a wild type. Another guy who is quite deep into the jade theme (Glen), is also always telling me that names like "Gollum variegata", "Variegata" and "Hummels Sunset variegata" are invalid because they have a Latin orgin. Actually he is right because since 1954 it is forbidden to give new cultivars names with latin origin. This means theoretically that we have to find another three new names and in this way make some more confusion int the jade world ;). I don´t really see a clou how to solve the problem with all the different names that are used in the US, Europe and Asia (Even in Japan they use two names for one cultivar ... Maruba and Shin (Nishiki)Kagetsu ... Laurent, you also show this plant in your Flickr-Account) Maybe somebody of us has to publish all the names and make them valid this way ;) Laurent could you maybe post your picture of your wavy, variegated jade? I think it is the "solana"-like variant of the "round leaf"-jade. Best regards, |
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- Posted by kaktuskris 6 NH (barharbor75@yahoo.com) on Tue, Jun 12, 12 at 21:52
| Ben, excellent information, and excellent photos, as usual! Thanks for sharing it with us. Christopher |
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- Posted by FrenchSucculents none (My Page) on Wed, Jun 13, 12 at 5:37
| Ben, I still don't understand how to post a photo on this forum. I put a link to my picture. Laurent |
Here is a link that might be useful: Jade with variegated & wavy leaves
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| Salut Laurent, thank you for the picture. To post a picture from flickr directly you just have to copy the HTML/BBCode of the picture and paste it inside the message. here you find more information ... http://www.flickr.com/groups/1246205@N20/discuss/72157626292566962/ Ben |
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| Great postes everyone. I am working on prapagating the variegated 'Fine Finger' I have. That is the one that Mike has as well as I am the one who shared it with him. It is very slow to grow and only about 5% of leaf props make variegated plants. It will likely not be as openly available as others because of this. I am thinking it deserves its own cultivar name and I am leaning towards 'Legolas' to keep up the LOTR theme. I also have the 'Red Horn Tree' plant and another that is called "Red Coral' they seem very similar and are likely monstrose forms of 'Hummels Sunset' although they are both somewhat different and I need to grow them out more to see. I also have a clone that I am propagating I have names 'Gargoyle' that is from a leaf prop I did that the leaf surface has become ridged and I think it is due to a slight variegation. It has also made some interesting sports on in particular that has alternating leaves instead of opposing leaves. I will try to get some pics up soon. Cheers, Glen |
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| Hi Glen, nice to see you here :) ... looking forward to see your pics. Ben |
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| Laurent, You have some great plants there! To all, I think a name clarification post would be in order for all of the 'Jade' plants. I will see if I can get something worked out with photos. Glen |
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- Posted by FrenchSucculents none (My Page) on Wed, Jun 13, 12 at 15:59
| Ben, Thank you for your help. Your 'Blue Bird variegata' is very nice. I have a small cutting of a similar plant but it was labelled "cotyledon" and the colors may be different. I will ask the ICN if the name 'Lemon and Lime' is valid or not (they told me the same plant has been named twice, but I don't remember if 'Solana' is valid or not, I think it hasn't been described). Glen, Thank you very much for your nice comment. I have other colorful succulents. I will post new photos on Flickr from time to time. Laurent |
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| Hi Laurent, do you have a picture of your Cotyledon? ... some species really look quite simular to Crassula arborescens. Ben |
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- Posted by click_here4ste none (click_here4ste@hotmail.co.uk) on Thu, Jun 14, 12 at 13:48
| Hi everyone, Thought i would share my pics of my Hummel's sunset variegata, and variegated portulacaria afra, wich I am going to bonsai informal upright style ( S shaped) Hope you all like. Steve    |
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- Posted by meyermike_1micha 5 (mikerno_1@yahoo.com) on Thu, Jun 14, 12 at 15:13
| Steve. Very very nice! I love them and thank you yor sharing with us. :) |
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- Posted by click_here4ste none (click_here4ste@hotmail.co.uk) on Sun, Jun 17, 12 at 16:30
| Thanks mike ;) |
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- Posted by loveplants2 8b Virginia Beach, (My Page) on Mon, Jun 18, 12 at 1:26
| Hello Everyone!!! I was wondering if you all could identify this Varigated Jade? This poor Jade was at a local Mom and Pop Nursery and the tree was so large it kept falling over, i had to take half of the tree and repot into another container, actually it was potted up with several other plants. I knew it had been there for a long time because it way laying sideways in the bin . I asked the man that had the nursery how much he wanted for this huge tree.., He said.." how about 6.99" I smiled, trying not to smile to much , and said "sold!!!" I do love this Jade. It may be the common Var Jade, but wanted to ask you all... Thanks!!
Some of you all know that i am into growing Plumeria..so i wanted to share some of the beauties that i have right now... These are for you Mike and Josh!!! Miami Rose.. Cutting experiment in the Gritty Mix verses the Cactus and perlite mix on the same cuttings ...same conditions and same heat.. Thank you Christopher... Fang is looking wonderful!!! Thank for any info on the Jades... Have a great evening!! Laura |
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- Posted by FrenchSucculents none (My Page) on Mon, Jun 18, 12 at 15:35
| Laura, Your jade is Crassula ovata 'Tricolor' and your plumerias are beautiful. Ben, Steve, Laurent |
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| Laura I think I see a little kalanchoe volunteer in the pot with var.jade?...Rina |
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- Posted by loveplants2 8b Virginia Beach, (My Page) on Mon, Jun 18, 12 at 22:39
| Thanks Laurent!!! I was wondering if this one could be a "Tricolor" Some of the edges have a pink hue to them too! Thank you for the kind words on my Plumeria. I do love them!! Hi Rina, Thank you for noticing that one. I didn't know the name of that one either. The container was so overgrown with different varieties. I did my best to keep them seperated and planted them into two or three containers. The little Kalanchoe is doing well. it has these ruffles on the edges that are very unique to me. Thank you both for you replies!!! Take care, Laura |
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- Posted by meyermike_1micha 5 (mikerno_1@yahoo.com) on Tue, Jun 19, 12 at 11:06
| My Laura! What a nice thing to look at! I love all your pictures and that Fang plant looks like it was pasted on the picture! I love it! That water looks to clear to be real. I don't know who keep the pool that clear, but great job. Now I will take you up on your invite and come for a visit as soon as I can:-) Such a good job with your jade too. It is looking very nice and getting a nice shape. I can't believe how well all your plumeria look. Wow. I wonder if Andrew has seen these? That is exactly how I root my plumies! Nice. Thanks so much for sharing your beautiful pics. Mike |
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- Posted by meyermike_1micha 5 (mikerno_1@yahoo.com) on Tue, Jun 19, 12 at 11:06
| My Laura! What a nice thing to look at! I love all your pictures and that Fang plant looks like it was pasted on the picture! I love it! That water looks to clear to be real. I don't know who keep the pool that clear, but great job. Now I will take you up on your invite and come for a visit as soon as I can:-) Such a good job with your jade too. It is looking very nice and getting a nice shape. I can't believe how well all your plumeria look. Wow. I wonder if Andrew has seen these? That is exactly how I root my plumies! Nice. Thanks so much for sharing your beautiful pics. Mike |
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- Posted by kaktuskris 6 NH (barharbor75@yahoo.com) on Tue, Jun 19, 12 at 22:20
| Hi Laura: Your Plumerias always amaze me, you are definitely the Plumeria master! Love the colours! My 'Samoan Fluff' is coming along nicely, with some new leaves forming. What a bargain for your variegated Jade, it is lovely. I have a small cutting of one from Mike, just a baby. I knew 'Fang' would be in good hands with you...glad you like it. Christopher |
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- Posted by loveplants2 8b Virginia Beach, (My Page) on Wed, Jun 20, 12 at 1:05
| Hello EVeryone, Hi Mike!! Thank you for the kind comments.. I do have a few C & S that i need to share, so i just might start another thread.. My DH and I take care of the pool! LOL.. If you look to close, you will see things that need to be fixed!! : ) Always a job keeping up with the pool and yard, but i love it! Christopher, I just love my "Fang" it is just awesome... Thank you again!!! Glad to hear you Somoan Fluff is doing well! Hope tto see some pics soon of your yard and plants! You truly have a great variety of everything! Love to see your pics!! Love your cutting from Mike... what a beauty!!! Oh... Thank you for the nice things youu say about my Plumeria!! Here is another pic showing my addiction.. As Josh says... "The wall of Plumeria" LOL..
Take care, Laura |
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- Posted by agnieszka666 none (My Page) on Sun, Dec 16, 12 at 10:18
| pls! i need i help with those black margins on my jade. Maybe it is sun burn! pls help! |
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| It's funny how these threads are pulled up months or years after they were created. I'm glad because I never saw this one and it's great! |
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- Posted by agnieszka666 none (My Page) on Mon, Dec 17, 12 at 12:10
| my crassula develop black margins. help |
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- Posted by greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a (My Page) on Mon, Dec 17, 12 at 13:34
| You've asked your question twice now. Be patient. (I responded in the House Plant Forum). Josh |
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- Posted by cactusmcharris 4 / Interior BC (My Page) on Mon, Dec 17, 12 at 16:38
| Agnies, Most of these problems, including yours, can be traced to improper soil. Get a porous mix and you'll be on the road to happiness. As Josh says, patience is a big plus. |
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- Posted by agnieszka666 none (My Page) on Tue, Dec 18, 12 at 14:50
| thank you for advice. I use soil Jonn Inn 2 - very sandy soil, with mix of vermiculture ( from my wormery . |
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- Posted by pirate_girl Zone7 NYC (My Page) on Tue, Dec 18, 12 at 15:34
| Well that's great Agnieszka, except it's NOT at all what Jades (Crassulas) want. Sand is particularly bad for them (compacts & impedes their take up of water & their air circulation in the roots). I'm guessing your vermiculture, while good for many things is not good for succulents as it's too rich for them (too much organics). My understanding of vermiculture is that it's for OUTDOOR plants which can interact w/ insects & other living creatures (where indoor containers really can't). Pls. read around here for almost ANY THREAD on Jade soils should offer you mix(es) less problematic than you've mentioned. |
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- Posted by agnieszka666 none (My Page) on Wed, Dec 26, 12 at 4:18
| thank you very much pirate girl! Do you think that some small stone will do? or should I mix coarse grit? aga |
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