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Why is it impossible to find christmas cactus?

dragonstone
17 years ago

Ever since I found out about the differences between the holiday cacti, I've been trying to find an actual christmas cactus but it seems like that the only way I can get my hands on one is through cuttings by asking someone.

I'd love to get one to surprise my mother for christmas, even if it was a cutting (It's still fun to watch them grow into a big plant!). It'd be fun to say, "Look Ma! This is a real christmas cactus!" hehe.

Are they fussy or hard plants to take care of? Is that why they aren't more common?

Comments (19)

  • fred_grow
    17 years ago

    Christmas cactus are care free and undemanding. If you want one you will have to obtain it as a pass along plant. True Christmas cactus is no longer marketed in this country to my knowledge. Its a shame and its all about marketing. The general public does not want to wait until Christmas to purchase holiday plants. So Thanksgiving cactus are what is sold. They bloom earlier and come in a wider range of colors. But the name Christmas cactus has more romance and public appeal so that is what these plants are called. Its all about money!

  • tuanh
    17 years ago

    Wal mart, Home depot, Loew' many store sell them christmas cactus.

  • dragonstone
    Original Author
    17 years ago

    Technically, the stores are selling Thanksgiving Cactus. I want the real Christmas Cactus. Schlumbergera x buckleyi.

  • fred_grow
    17 years ago

    dragonstone I was told someone on e-bay was selling cuttings off a christmas cactus that is very old recently. You have to watch e-bay however or you will get stuck with truncata. If there is a picture that shows the foliage you can check to make sure it is buckleyi. If it comes from a 100 year old plant you can rest assured it is buckleyi. You might also check out epiforums. There is a Schlumbergera section in the forums and people are quite willing to trade. If all else fails I could part with some cuttings next summer.

  • dragonstone
    Original Author
    17 years ago

    Thanks, fred! Fortunately, I found someone who is willing to give me a cutting so I'm excited about that. I saw the old plant on ebay and I balk at how much people are willing to bid on the clippings. hehe.

  • norma_2006
    17 years ago

    Just a question, why could you settle on a X of the real thing. The X is not a species. This confuses me. I dont' know the difference yet, but will look it up for sure now that you posted and brought my attention that there is a difference. Norma

  • dragonstone
    Original Author
    17 years ago

    Hi Norma,

    This is the link I've seen used repeatedly when people asked about differences: http://cactus.biology.dal.ca/paulS/christmas/christmas.html

    From the site, it says that thanksgiving cactus has pointy teeth on the leaves and the blooms bend upwards while christmas cactus just has rounded teeth and the blooms just dangle down.

    All of mine are thanksgiving cactus so I was hoping to get an actual christmas cactus. I said "schlumbergera x buckleyi" because that's the term I've seen for christmas cactus. I don't know anything else beyond that specific name.

  • fred_grow
    17 years ago

    All Schlumbergeras on the market today are hybrids. Truncata is the cross of two species, buckleyi the cross of another two species.

  • dragonstone
    Original Author
    17 years ago

    What's the name of the real christmas cactus? Does that mean having to go back to older names that were used?

  • tjicken
    17 years ago

    As the web page you referred to says, the parents of both Thanksgiving (x truncata) and Christmas (x buckleyi) cacti are the true species S. truncata (autumn-flowering) and S. russeliana (spring-flowering), but there is much more S. truncata in the Thanksgiving cacti. The name "x buckleyi" refers to a group of similar cultivars, for example 'Buckleyi' and 'Le Vesuv', which all are Christmas cacti. The very first crossing of the two species resulted in several hybrids, which differed slightly from each other. So, there is no single, true Christmas cactus, but a small group. My own is a Schlumbergera x buckleyi 'Buckleyi'.

    All x truncata do not have toothed margins, by the way. If in doubt, you will have to look at the flowers or fruits.

  • rjj1
    17 years ago

    We had a bad drought this year, so the honey bees didn't make enough honey to cover the amount needed for our Christmas gifts. I went this morning to a friends to get another gallon and his wife wanted to show me her 55 year old Christmas cactus. She fixed up with a few cuttings in exchange for some cuttings off some nice hybrid thanksgiving cactus I bought this fall.

    randy

  • amany
    17 years ago

    I know I'm late, but I'll toss in my two cents anyway. ;-)

    A few weeks ago I took a chance and bought a Christmas Cactus from Kroger. They were 3 for $10. I don't know if you have any in your area, but maybe you could try looking there. They have the round stems as opposed to the pointy ones.

    Another good source could be a farmer's market if you have one in your area this time of year.

    Good luck!

  • dragonstone
    Original Author
    17 years ago

    I'm never going to keep track of all these names nor will I know if I ever have a true christmas cactus or not. I suppose having one with rounded leaves and flowers that dangle down is good enough for me because it's different than pointed teeth and flowers that bend upwards. hehe.

  • tjicken
    17 years ago

    Greyish pollen and ribbed fruits are characteristic for christmas cacti too.

  • pattirose4
    17 years ago

    My! What a gorgeous plant! I bought one(same variety) last year and it hasn't done a thing, not a smidgen of new growth, nothing!
    I guess I should be happy it hasn't died. After it finished blooming I transplanted it into the same pot with my rubber plant because they both like it on the dry side, last week I took it out of there and transplanted it into it's own pot and moved it to full afternoon sun and I'll see what happens. I've never had a plant do absolutely nothing for a year - usually they either grow or die!

  • dufflebag2002
    17 years ago

    Dragonstone, thank you and bless you. The description is great, the line drawings are even better. I ran off four copies. Thank you, I hope others will follow your advise and go to that link, it is wonderful. Norma

  • dragonstone
    Original Author
    17 years ago

    tjicken - Thanks for telling me about the grey pollen and ribbed fruit. I love knowing the differences. Is there any chance you, or anyone else, know where to find a picture of a christmas cactus fruit? It took me a long while but I did find one of a thanksgiving cactus that had a dark pink fruit. I don't think I've seen one for Easter cactus yet.

    Gorgeous white flowers! I've been collecting colors and I think all I need left is Peach and the 'Purple-ish' color. I've seen Epiphyllum used recently. How does that fit in with the holiday cactus?

  • William Kerber
    7 years ago

    I have one from the original plant it's realy big and have several. If you are still interested. We can work something out