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Challenge! __Tall Screening For Tricky Exposure

Posted by millerthyme Santa Monica, CA (My Page) on
Mon, Jul 20, 09 at 16:54

Hi All! -- I'm hoping someone may have some suggestions for what type of bamboo or shrub I could use for an area with tricky exposure.

The area is on the N/W side of a multi-level building (lofts). It is 9' by 20', with the longer length running along the N/W line. This area is between two buildings, and there is an opening between the buildings, through which the sun will shine down directly on the bamboo/other shrub for a few hours during the summer months, but not likley much at all during the winter. Also, one end of the planting area faces E to some degree, and will get hit with AM sun....meaning the bamboo at the far end, will get some morning sun, but the interior bamboo/shrubs will not get much if any AM sun. Bamboo/shrub should be fairly narrow...4' wide would be ideal.

The bamboo/shrubs need to screen a window that starts at about 14' above ground and ends at about 18' above ground. Bamboo shouldn't be too much taller than that if possible. If bamboo is used, it should be a clumping variety.

Any ideas? Is this impossible? If so...any suggestions for something else that may work in a narrow area, that would also have a modern look to it?

Thanks so very much!


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RE: Challenge! __Tall Screening For Tricky Exposure

The problem with Bamboo is the suckers that take over so quickly. At the Zoo their always cutting back the suckers and the whole thing just looks overgrown and messy. On HGTV they are always fixing up small spaces outside and especially where special views must be addressed and at least that will be usable space.


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RE: Challenge! __Tall Screening For Tricky Exposure

A lot of people hate eucs for a variety of reasons, often because they find it hard to grow things under them, but I love my eucalyptus nicholii. I have several. They're resistant to the "bug" that the lemon gums get, and they're not as tall, only about 40 tall. Their roots are well behaved and aren't a problems for buildings or walls. I like their open, gentle weeping habit. Require no water once established. I've included a pic of one of mine that's close to the house. I have another mature nickie growing in a narrow bed just 24 inches wide, and there is no damage to the block wall on one side or the sidewalk on the other. They do tend to lose their lower branches, so if you want something bushy at floor or ground level, this won't work. This particular tree primarily gets an a.m. exposure, but all of mine seem to do just fine whether they get morning, all day, or afternoon sun.

Here is a link that might be useful: eucalyptus nicholii


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RE: Challenge! __Tall Screening For Tricky Exposure

Thanks for the info debbysunshine and surfcityhb!

Re the eucs....This area will get very little sun....only AM sun for the outermost plant, and a few hours overhead sun during summer months. Aside from that...it's shade, although I would not say it's deep shade. I don't think euc's would grow in this condition, woud they?


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RE: Challenge! __Tall Screening For Tricky Exposure

If the area gets a couple of hours during the middle of the day to start with, it might be worth a try. They might even be able to take the heat of the midday sun as a young plant better than a bamboo. (I have a Mexican weeping bamboo in a pot that only gets a couple of hours of afternoon sun and it's a little crispy. I probably need to water it more.) The nickie will grow fast and will probably reach the top of the buildings fairly quickly where it can get as much sun as it wants. The shade might actually help it get established, especially if you're looking to plant this time of year.

You might want to wait until the fall to plant a bamboo so it can get established before the heat sets in next year. Look for a clumping type bamboo as opposed to a running type and you might be able to keep it in check a little more easily. You can also put in barriers when planting a bamboo that, at least on the garden shows, are supposed to keep it in bounds.


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RE: Challenge! __Tall Screening For Tricky Exposure

That eucalyptus is a lovely tree, surfcityhb.

Millerthyme, I don't think bamboo would survive in that much shade. I can't think of any tree or tall shrub that would do well there.

Perhaps someone in the Tropical forum could recommend an understory tree, you know, the kind that grow under the rainforest canopy and don't need sun?

Otherwise, Podocarpus might live, they do okay in shade, and they get tall. Australian Tree ferns, but they would not stop growing at your window.

Is there any way to attach a window box to screen the window with plants?

Renee


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RE: Challenge! __Tall Screening For Tricky Exposure

  • Posted by bahia SF Bay Area (My Page) on
    Tue, Jul 21, 09 at 23:24

There are actually quite a few plants that would work better than a Eucalyptus nicholii, which gets way bigger than 40 feet tall at maturity, and can develop a trunk almost 2 foot in diameter. I guess you haven't seen large older trees to know that this is ultimately too large for a 9 foot wide planting area. Some rather more common subtropicals such as Strelitzia nicholai or Tupidanthus calyptratus would give both the height, lower foliage, and shade tolerance without getting too wide, giving the visual screening that you are seeking. A narrow growing palm such as Chamaedorea plumosa planted out as multi trunks could also do well in your situation. If you don't mind an arching form, the Mexican Weeping Bamboo would work find there, but typically only gets about 15 to 18 feet tall, and might take up to 5 years to do so if started as a 15 gallon sized plant. Tree ferns such as regular Cyathea cooperi or Cyathea 'Brentwood' would also thrive in this space. Another shrub/narrow tree to consider might include Pittosporum tenuifolium 'Marjorie Shannon' could light up the space with creamy variegated leaves. A grouping of palms at different initial sizes could also look nice here, using a clumping Rhapis palm, Chamaerops humilis, Trachycarpus wagneriana, or even Howeas.

If you wanted to plant a California native, even Toyon would eventually become tree sized in your space, without getting too big, but needs thinning periodically if you want some sun below.


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RE: Challenge! __Tall Screening For Tricky Exposure

  • Posted by hoovb z9 Southern CA (My Page) on
    Wed, Jul 22, 09 at 0:56

For such exacting requirements, I would look for solutions other than plants, such as a decorative screen over the window, or decorative window film, or replacing the glass with frosted glass, if you need the privacy. And that's instant privacy, without waiting for years and doing a lot of pruning and maintenance in the mean time. Frosted glass or window films are very modern in style. 9' wide is so narrow, and if you don't do constant pruning you might end up with plants banging on the building every breezy day.

What you could do for a plant solution, if you can spend some serious money, is put up a stainless steel trellis, very modern in style, that goes 18' up, and plant a vine such as Star Jasmine on it. That would give you guaranteed exact size and screening with a very narrow footprint.


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RE: Challenge! __Tall Screening For Tricky Exposure

A native evergreen that would make an excellent year around screen with little to no care would be Rhus integrifolia. Al


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RE: Challenge! __Tall Screening For Tricky Exposure

Thanks to all for your input on this challenging situation! I will read through all the suggestions and do a bit of research to see what might work best.

Thanks again!

MT


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RE: Challenge! __Tall Screening For Tricky Exposure

  • Posted by catkim San Diego 10/24 (My Page) on
    Fri, Jul 24, 09 at 15:18

If you have a big budget, you can buy 15-ft tall Howea forsteriana palms and have them crane-planted for instant effect. I'm not 100% certain about that 9-ft width though, that might be too squishy. And the price tag would be a few thousand dollars.

Hoovb's suggestions make a lot of sense; then you could take your time growing something you like with no concern for instant height. For sure the bamboo would create more problems than it would solve.


 
 

 

 


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