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Posted by xoxosmom sunset 13 (My Page) on Tue, Sep 23, 08 at 17:00
| Hi, I hope you don't mind I am cross-posting. I found this board to be so friendly and helpful when I was looking for plants. We built a house a little over 6 months ago and are now finally getting around to landscaping. To cut costs we are doing as much as we can ourselves.
We have an area under the front windows and along the front of our house that we will be planting some shrubs and flowers in (bouganivillea or firebrush or ???). It faces the west/full sun and in our area that wall takes a beating with our 100 deg plus summers.
The flower bed is a narrow 3 x 15 feet flower type bed. I was wondering which would be the best irrigation system? Sprinkler heads or drip? We already have pvc pipe laid to tie it into the sprinkler system we are installing on the other side of the driveway.
Thanks for your help. |
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RE: Drip irrigation or sprinkler system?
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| I know I will get a lot of fire for my reply to you because it isn't presently popular. I started out with an existing sprinkler system, replaced it with drip, and am now gradually replacing all the drip with sprinklers. Why: 1. The drips clog and need to constantly be replaced. Time, money and effort I no longer have. 2. The dripper waters a cone of soil... hopefully near the roots of the plants... but no where else. I've found that this inhibits the growth of a large, healthy root system because all the rest of the soil is bone dry. The bone dry soil is constantly trying to hydrolyze and therefore steals the moisture from the "cone". 3. A sprinkler system using the correct shaped spray-heads and correct spray time watering all the soil in a given area is the most efficient and plant-healthy in my Central Valley HOT summer gardens. |
RE: Drip irrigation or sprinkler system?
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| I agree that the drip emitters aren't ideal for all situations, especially with seedlings. I've found that a combination of emitters - for individual large plants, and soaker hose works well for my vegetable garden beds. I run the soaker hose back and forth across the garden bed, about 18" between passes and have this hooked up to a zone specific for this bed. 50ft rolls of 1/2" soaker hose are available. One note though, after two years these hoses emit much less water and I've had to replace them. |
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| I have a great deal of experience with irrigation. In my opinion its really a matter of specifics as to which is best. On a long thin bed like the one you are describing, I'd say drip, as you're going to have a lot of overspray going everywhere, OR you're most likely going to have plants blocking other plants, OR you're going to be spraying your house if it's too close. If you mulch heavily (3-5" thick) drip will work well, and will give you far less weeds than spray. A few caveats though-- if this is on the same valve as a sprinkler system, then it won't be such a good idea to mix drip and sprinklers, as they water very differently and need to run for very different lengths of time. Also, if you're going to put in drip you need to put a pressure reducer (normally down to 30 psi) on the valve that feeds the drip-- this will greatly... greatly improve the life of your system. I can't refute westelle's personal experience, but I work with drip on a nearly daily basis, and it generally has worked fine for me. Having said that, it DOES require more maintenance than spray, and you have to go and look at the base of the plants themselves, etc. to see if something is broken, versus, say, looking at just each sprinkler head. Basically, there's just more points where water is emitted by the system. Still, drip uses significantly less water, and that's usually good for ones bills. It also promotes less weeds-- particularly if you mulch appropriately. I hope that was helpful. |
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My experience mirrors westelle's. We have replaced the drip with pvc and various sprinkler types, but we run it above ground and paint it dark brown to avoid some of the problems Steve points out. Mulch and plants cover the pipes. Renee |
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| I live in an area with highly mineralized water, and drip emitters clog almost immediately. Zone 13 is a desert zone, so I'm guessing you would have a similar problem. |
RE: Drip irrigation or sprinkler system?
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| I have over a thousand feet of drip system here for the last 15 years. Nothing is perfect or maintenance free. Our well water is so high in minerals we can not drink it, and have to use an ozone system to be able to drink it and use it for household use. We can not use it for our garden however because of the quantity needed. A separate system using a MacClean Iron filter which automatically back washes itself is used for the garden. Enough iron is removed to make drip system usable. I use Agrifim internal emitters as these will take years to fail with my water. Once a week I open the end of each line to flush it out and walk each line to be sure the emitters are OK. It is true that the root zone is not equally watered, but the roots grow where the moisture is. The weed problem is virtually eliminated. What ever system you install will probably undergo many modifications as will your choice of plants. Al |
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- Posted by jkom51 Z9 CA/Sunset 17 (My Page) on
Thu, Sep 25, 08 at 11:08
| Why not consider soaker hoses? Good ones can last for years, you could buy a 25' length which would be perfect for your bed, and plants love them. They save water very well. I water over 2000 sq. ft. of cottage-style garden beds twice a month on soaker hoses - good soil and mulch also help. |
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| My backyard has a new 5 valve sprinkler system on a timer. In areas where plants don't like being watered from above, or are big enough to block the sprinklers from covering, and near groupings of potted plants, I have retrofitted Orbit Quad manifold drip heads on top of the risers. I am switching back and forth between sprinklers and drip whenever it suits me. Consider installing sprinklers before planting and adapting it to your changing circumstances later. I am currently swapping in more thoughtfully distributed drip emitters in an effort to lower my water consumption in a mostly tropical garden, by putting the water exactly where I need it. I mostly use the flag emitters and have not yet had any problems with clogging. Last year I removed all the drip in the frontyard borders and re-installed sprinkler heads on the risers for better coverage after removing a lot of cannas. I am slowly switching to Australian and South African natives and will revert back to drip. |
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| I'm totally sold on "drip pipe" with a really good, big filter. Individual emitters are a pain. Sprinklers only really work well for lawns. dripirrigation.com has drip pipe. |
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Thanks for the tip, fruithack. How long have you been using it, and in what conditions? Renee |
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| Hi, I don't feel I know enough to recommend one system over another, but I CAN recommend a local knowledgeable supplier: http://www.urbanfarmerstore.com/drip/drip.html The Urban Farmer (in El Cerrito/Richmond) walked me through all the details I needed to resolve in order to set up my drip system for my raised vegetable beds....we have the 1/4" line with internal drippers every 6" strung through-out the beds and it has worked really well for us for about 3ish+ years..... we DO have it all attached to the filter that the urban farmer recommended also...don't know how big of a diff. it's made...but it all works pretty well... good luck! ----lucia in CA |
RE: Drip irrigation or sprinkler system?
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| Been using it since 03, laid on surface of ground, both short curved runs under trees and long straight runs under grapes. Very reliable, cheap, minimum of parts, just be sure to filter the water like any other drip system. |
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- Posted by socal23 USDA10/Sunset23 (My Page) on
Tue, Sep 30, 08 at 3:01
| You have to bear in mind that the decision on what type of irrigation system you choose ought to take into account both soil type and water quality. If you have very high levels of dissolved minerals in your water, you will need to find a way to deal with them. If your soil drains quickly, you will need more emitters for each plant in order to assure that the entire root zone is watered (in places where there is extremely limited rainfall the effects of failing to do so can be quite dramatic: wind throw due to a root system confined to a four square foot area). Ryan |
RE: Drip irrigation or sprinkler system?
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| I've read through the responses, and the main objection to drip seems to be clogging, either with mineral salts in the water (which affects us here in the west) and sediments. The real objection to spray systems is the water that evaporates or simply blows away, and also that sprays spread disease spores. Stop spraying your roses and the rust just goes away... For drip systems, a simple, $5 filter will remove the sediments, but mineral build-up is tricky. The solution I found best is the Ro-Drip tapes. The tape is flexible, has emitters pre-molded in every 8" to 16", is inexpensive (about 4 cents per foot), and hooks into a standard drip syste supply line. It runs at <10 psi. Whenever you pressure them up, they flex and any mineral salts just slough off the plastic and flow away. Using this, with a later of mulch over the top, really cuts water usage down, provides even soil moisture, and does a better job watering my gardens that any other system I've tried. The mulch later is critical, as it allows the water to soak into the entire planting bed evenly, reduces evaporation and prevents salt build-up in the soil. I expanded my gardens by 3 times the area, and use less water than before using the tapes. I have a page that show pictures of the system in the link below... |
Here is a link that might be useful: How to install a garden irrigation system
RE: Drip irrigation or sprinkler system?
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| It sounds like Mike is describing what is generally referred to by the name "T tape". It is sold in rolls of 1500 feet at a reasonable price. It works well and is commonly used commercially where it is discarded after one or two seasons. Its built in emitters work well and do not plug up as bad as the plug in emitters. For areas that the water is heavy with mineral that cannot be removed, they are a good option, as it is cost effective to replace the tape annually. Al |
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| We use pop up spinkler in the lawns and techline drip line in the flower beds connected to a good filter. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Sprinkler Irrigation Systems
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