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Best Varieties for Full Shade

Posted by finch No. Calif. (My Page) on
Tue, Jan 17, 06 at 15:46

Does anyone have suggestions as to the best varieties for full shade? I have an area that is between a single story house and a row of high privets.
Thanks!


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  • Posted by bboy z8 WA USA (My Page) on
    Tue, Jan 17, 06 at 17:45

Any Camellia japonica.


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  • Posted by finch No. Calif. 9b (My Page) on
    Wed, Jan 18, 06 at 12:51

Thanks, but I am wondering if some cultivars perform better than others at lower light levels, especially flowering. Some are known for being able to take more sun exposure, but I am looking for those that do well with less than average light than is required by the average Camillia.


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I think it is generally held that the white cultivars tend to like more shade than the colored varieties; however, there seems to be a consensus among camellia authorities that no camellia performs at its best in dense shade. Dappled shade, or in many cases, full sun, is preferable to dense shade. Stirling Macoboy's _The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Camellias_ (Portland, OR: Timber Press, 1998) would be a good source to consult for information on shade-tolerant varieties. Some white varieties that do well for me in Zone 7b are 'Imura,' 'Snow Chan,' 'White Empress,' 'Leucantha,' 'Victory White', and 'Coronation.'
'Dawn,' which I think is considered a _Camellia vernalis_ is anoter good white, as is _Camellia sasanqua_ 'Setsugekka.' However, I don't think any of them want pure shade.


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I asked this question last year. I had called Nuccio's and they suggested Buttermint, Nuccio's Pearl, Nuccio's Gem and Pearl Maxwell I think. Forrest Al suggested White Doves which blooms well for him in the shade. Also, yamagamisnursery.com has a list of 'Best Camellias for Shade.'


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  • Posted by finch 9b, No. Calif. (My Page) on
    Thu, Feb 23, 06 at 9:44

Thanks - the yamagamisnursery.com Web site is a great suggestion, and relevant to my area and climate.


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About shade for camellias, my mother grew quite a few camellias and had a nursery where she sold camellias, azaleas and daylilies and tried her hand at hybridizing as well.

In her last waning days, with full-blown Alzheimer's most days she did not know us. I was pushing her in her wheelchair through my garden one day and she saw two camellias that never bloomed. She looked at me and looked at the wheelchair and away and she said, "I don't know who I am, or who you are, and I don't know where I am but you need to tell whoever owns those camellias if they don't get them out of that deep shade, they never will bloom."

A gardener to the end, she was.


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  • Posted by finch No. Calif. 9b (My Page) on
    Tue, Mar 21, 06 at 10:18

That's a nice story - thank you for sharing it. I have been looking around during the blooming season here, and have noticed that too much sun produces better results, even when the top foliage shows sun damage. My experiences with African Violets is the same, but, of course, they are easier to move around!


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Hi, Patricia?

Your beautiful family history has thrilled me because I remembered my parents. I ask for permission him to expose it in some moment, in our Camellia's Forum of the AEC and in the Forum of Gardening in Spain.

For your, one of my favourite Camellias. (All the white Camellias are good for places without the direct Sun).

C. j. ALBA PLENA.My favourite Camellia, for your mother, for the patients of Alzheimer, for all the patients. ( Very good for places without the direct Sun).

Pardon for my evil English.
Regards.
Daniel Dominguez OKintos

Here is a link that might be useful: Galicia Camellia Show's 2006


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I am having luck with Madonna and Grand Prix. Try them in pots and if you never get any flowers, you can move them easily somewhere else and not worry about transplant woes. Some will get very rangy in too much shade as well.


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