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Question for Meyermike

Posted by Suzy11 Central PA (My Page) on
Tue, Jan 21, 14 at 11:25

Hi Mike it's me again. I'm starting with you because you live around my area and you have potted trees. I think that you have a greenhouse and I don't. My trees are in a heated garage for the winter and Are doing pretty well. I was wondering if you were me what would you do about the air circulating in the winter? I am spritzing twice a day with cool water. It is working well. Patty told me to stop but if do the leaves wilt. A nursery person here said that I should use a cool mist humidifier or I could splits. What do you suggest? Also while I am talking to you. do you remember my leaves a few months ago? Do you remember what the red on my leaves meant.? No one seems to know and I am very curious. I'm sending you a picture of the red leaf to remind you. I also now have a few leaves with one pink dot.


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Suzi, not Mike, but really, truly, you don't need to spritz your trees. Just water them regularly. I never, ever, ever spritz my trees, and I live in a very dry part of the country (my relative humidity this last 2 weeks as between 12 and 14%!). Again, posting a photo of one leaf doesn't really help anyone to help you :-) It just looks like a leaf that has dropped, which is normal. Take a photo of your tree, full view, and then maybe a few close ups of the leaves. Remember to have your iPad sideways, so you don't get photos that are turned 90 degrees :-)

Patty S.


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Hi Suzi....

Patty is right..You really don't need to spritz your trees..I have many at work that do awesome even in very dry indoor heat..

You may have seen me say I mist mine, but that is because I LIKE too not because I have to or to keep the leaves clean..I'll spray them to keep the dust and help them resist mites because it does not rain inside my home.
You should also know that making it a habit of misting your trees without proper circulation of air can leave you open to mold and other diseases..

Do you have access to Home Depot or some other hardware store?
All you need is a fan that can moves the leaves ever so gently all day. I also use a an overhead fan that I keep going 24 hours a day.

Yes, please take a good picture or two of the whole tree.
It does look like a leaf that has dropped or was pinched at the base that just rotted off...

Hope we helped you..I am so happy to hear your trees are doing good)

MIke


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Mike I am really glad to hear from you. In the past couple of days a problem has arised with my tree. It has been in a heated garage which has been on 70, a little air gets in because of the door and widows. The tree seemed to love it. One morning I was in there it was really really cold. I didn't want it to freeze I moved it into the house and put it in the laundry room. Mistake! The next morning it looked terrible. The one section of the lower leaves was curled. It is back in the garage. Hopefully the problem is under control. Do you know what it means when a leave is starting to turn black? How about a Greenleaf that is half light green?


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Ok I will look for the leaves tomorrow. Most of them fell off. I was told that new leaves will grow to replace them. I hope they will. A similar thing happened in October. And new ones grew. Is it a bad time of year to transport trees.


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Patti It is so good to hear from you on the spritzing. I have been spritzing 3 times a day with a weak Miracid 30-10-10. I am reassured that I don't have to with your statement of being dry where you live.

Steve


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Suzy, no, not the fallen leaves. Again, that's not what will help us to help you :-) It's the TREE we want to see. Give us good photos, nice clear ones (and preferably not sideways ones) of your tree. Full shot of the tree, and several close ups of the existing leaves on the tree. Photos of dead leaves off the tree are essentially worthless. As well as your soil. Yes, new leaves will grow where the leaves dropped off. Left's just make sure that your leaf drop is just the normal course of events, and not from something else. Commonly during this time of year, spider mites can cause issues with leaf drop. But, there can be other causes as well, such as not enough light, too much or too little water, and other pest issues.

Patty S.


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Is it ok to transport trees at this time of year? Ok I will start from the beginning. The morning after the tree was in the laundry room some of the leaves were curling and dropping. I moved it into the garage where it had been doing well. That was thur. Monday it looked worse. Most of the leaves are curling.The lower branches are green so the tree did not freeze. I think the laundry was too stuffy. The curled leaves are falling off and I hope will be replaced by new ones. It is a pretty long wait. Do you think that this will happen? Pictures are on the way


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Hi Suzy.....I could not tell for sure because the pic is sideways and out of focus..
But I think I see webbing..Is that webbing?

Patty is right on I think...The first thing I always look for is mites or other pests by this time of the year...All that stress has certainly made your tree a perfect host for bugs...
Your tree should not be that sensitive or react so quickly if it was very healthy..Let's see if it's bugs first, then see if it's natural to some other cause..

Please lets see some good pics in focus as Patty suggested....Cloes-ups too if you can..How about the dirt too?

Thank you


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Mike

Tjhat webbing is plastic wrap around plastic drink bottles reflecting the light in strange ways

Suzy

I take 8 megapixal picture and post to photobucket and from photo bucket the citrus forum. That way if any one clicks on the picture they will get access to my 8 meg picture. From there they can see down to a little larger than a virus and can tell me exactly what is wrong. I can also post many picture on one entry.

Steve


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That is pretty cool Steve


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Okay bye I will take more pictures for you., away from the plastic bottles. I haven't seen any webs. Do you mean spiderwebs? The tree does seem a little too sensitive.. I do spritz with water so should I have bugs? I have been feeding every two months this winter maybe that is too long. I fertilized it tonight. I will take the pictures in the morning


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Here are the pictures. Mike what do you use with your fan so that it does not push you around hot air?


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Suzy11 - I would give your tree a soaking in the laundry tub with warm water to get all of the air out of the root zone. I did mine for 20 minutes. That guaranties that all the dry spots are gone, Stop spraying the leaves so the tree draws on the roots for water. keep the roots above 55 F. I go to The Dollar Tree and get 2 pairs of 3X readers, $1 each and use both of them to see my trees at 9X. Spider mites show up real well and so do aphid eggs and suckers. There is no need to spray the tree in the garage, but make sure it gets enough light. If I remember Right this is a calomondin and will take abuse much better than almost any other citrus.

Steve


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Suzy..I love Steve's advice...I would do exactly what he said and see if that helps....Either bugs, uneven watering, or under watering is causing you issues...

Please, keep us updated..

Mike


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Steve you were right this is a Caliamodian. Since I took the pictures my tree has lost more leaves. I check the branches every day and they are green. I did fertilize two days ago and it seems to have buds. I am trying to remember what John said that you lose leaves in the winter but they grow back. This did happen in September. This is the second time but I have lost more leaves this time and at different levels. Some days I get discouraged. The reason why I am Spritzing is because of the heat in the garage I want to keep the air circulating. I ordered a coolmist humidifier. I can stop it and try what you said, sounds good. The tree gets light from 3 windows. How do I know what suckers and eggs look like? Will they be on the soil? How do I know if the roots are above 55? The Heat is set on 69 but I have been watering with Cool water. Should I make it a little warmer? The strange thing is my little Meyer tree is fine and growing. Both trees are in an organic well draining soil. Do you think that My problem could be just winter lose of leaves that will grow back?


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If there is no air in the root zone will soaking it do any damage? I do let it soak in water for 5 to 10 minutes after every watering.


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The watering cycle of my tree is.

1) I water the tree by putting it in a deep tub and filling the tub to within an inch of the soils surface and soak 30 minutes. I water overhead and water the top inch keeping the trunk area dry.

2) One week later I over head water the dried top 2 inches again keeping the trunk area dry.

3) one week later I repeat step 1 then 2 as stated above

There will be air in the root zone. you have to push the air out and when the tree is removed the air will be drawn back in as the excess water drains out of your porous soil mix.

Steve


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Steve you pick a pot when planting so that the plant not get too much air but shouldn't the roots get some air?


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I chose 5 gallon pots because they were white, free, and easy to drill 400+ 1/8 inch diameter holes for aeration and water drainage. When I soak my tree I drive all the air out of the root base. When I lift the tree out and the water drains, the soil pores fill with the fresh air the roots need. As the tree uses the water more air is drawn in. Here is the trick. The roots have to go from wet to dryish quickly enough so that root rot doesn't set in. Your tree to pot ratio is good enough to do this. My 5 gallon pots are to big and I have to draw air through with a vacuum cleaner. I also do not provide any misting so that the tree draws the necessary water from the roots. I mist the trees when the soil is dryer so that the tree is able to get along well for a longer period when the soil is in its dryer time cycle. This helps insure that root rot doesn't cause a problem.

This is all automatic following my watering cycle I listed above. You will have to shorten the days between steps for your tree.

Steve


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Steve sounds good and I may have uneven watering. The tree doesn't have a lot of leaves so looks bad but a few days ago I found a baby leaf growing and maybe a baby calamodin. Do you think that I should still soak like you said? What does it do? Does it make the watering normal? I. Water almost like you. Every week I water at pot level, let soak 5 to 10 minutes in winter' 20 in summer and spritz from above.


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Soak it any way. If the roots are dry they will die. You wont have to re-water as soon but you will have to touch up the surface when it dries out. This is easiest using a plant sprayer set on a heavy mist small drops. that will wet the surface and allow even wetting of the top inch or 2.

Remove any fruits from the tree.

Steve


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Ok. If you spritz the branches, can that cause root rot? Will the same thing happen with Spritzing the trunk?


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The roots will not be affected by spritzing the leaves and branches. I keep the spray off the trunk and soil around the trunk. See how the seed grown meiwa kumquat is planted.
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The 5 inch diameter ring hold soil 1 inch higher than the main pot so that that soil, trunk, and root-base at trunk never gets wet.

Steve


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Is there a way to know if the roots are drying out? do you know what a leaf with mildew looks like?


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No. That is why I soak the root base every 2 weeks and water the top 2 inches every other week I also use a coffee can with a vacuum hole in the side to draw about 10 seconds worth of fresh air for the first four days after soaking the roots.

vacuum holes for nozzle. photo IMG_5071_zpsc93d2dbe.jpg
Vacuum holes in container under potted sweetlee tangerine trees and nagami + meiwa kumquat bushes from seed

No to the second part of the question.

Steve


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What happened to the flower pot? Is it inside the can? How do you get fresh air inside? Or do you mean run the vacuum? Doesn't it suck out the soil?
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Hello, Suzy!

How are your tree doing these days? Are the leaves staying on and uncurling?

Mold usually looks like dark spots but I didn;t see any on your tree from what I saw.
Your roots will be just fine if you spritz but be careful for disease issues if you don't have a moving fan.

Mike


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The tree pots are on top of the cans with the holes in it. The dirt does not come out. use a vacuum cleaner to do the suction. look at the container farthest to the right. You can see the container with all those tiny air holes. That houses my meiwa kumquat tree.

Steve


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Thank you for clearing that up Steve


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Hi mike! Nice to have you back. I think my tree is ok just growing slowly. Most of the leaves look pretty good. A few are still dieing, fall off and new ones grow. I will send you pictures tomorrow.


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Mike I am sending my pictures to you. My biggest fear is a virus or disease. I have never been through winter leaf lose and I'm hoping that is what this is. A few leaves that have fallen off did grow back. I am hoping for more growth when I can put the tree outside in the sun. I still get depressed when I look at the tree. But I still have hope. Three people have told me that it's going to happen. It's just hard to wait. Do you think that it will happen? January and February were bad months.


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Are my meyer leaves ok? See the ones turning yellow.


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Suzy, I'll come back...But can I ask you a question?

How in the world are you posting pics upside down and all over the place? It's irritating..lol I can't turn my computer here at work upside down or sideways...I'll be back later.

Have a great day


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Mike I have a radiator heating line I hang up side down by my knees from. It helps a lot for the up sided down pics. I also have enough room to lie on my side when necessary.

When I am really tight on time, I can mouse click on the picture and my Google browser will open the picture in a new tab and display the picture in its correct up right position. I only do that when I am really pressed for time.

Steve

P.S. Here is a picture of my failed PT grafted tree


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Mike I hace no idea how that happened with the pictures. They were ok when I sent them. Sorry, I will try again.


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Did. It work


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I believe you problem is that you need to turn them upright in your computer, then link them to GW


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Let me know if this worked..Just because they look good on my screen -----@#$%^&*()_+_)(*&^%$#---your's


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It worked. That never happened before. They were fine on my ipad but not the computer


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Your Ipad has a sensor for gravity and will flip the picture automatically for you. Your computer will not. It will post to GW as they are. If you get a Photobucket account you can store 3000 -- -- -- 6 magapixal pictures for free and you can display many in one post.

As for citrus tree problems, they happen 3-4 months after you take them in and can be quit horrendous 6 months past jailing them.

My tree developed a large dry spot in the pot and the tree stopped growing and started to deteriorate. By the time I caught it the trees had browning leaves, but few dropped. The trees are not pretty anymore. It happens and you just go on. I will have lost out on a lot of linear growth, but they will do fine this spring.

Leaf damage to my seed grown sweetlee tangerine trees.
LEAF DAMAGE 5 photo IMG_5078_zpsf779b473.jpg
LEAF DAMAGE 4 photo IMG_5077_zpsa222a13e.jpg
LEAF DAMAGE 3 photo IMG_5076_zpse2ceab1d.jpg
LOTS OF DAMAGED LEAVES
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FRESH SHOOTS AMOUNG DAMAGED LEAVES


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Thank you one more question. Do you remember my problem last year. And I think the John help me at this point he helped a whole lot actually. Here we go, The branches on my tree have been green. About a week ago the tip of one of the lower branches was about a quarter inch brown I cut it off. Today I found some more brown tips close by that I also cut off. Do you think that the Tree may servive?


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