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uneven watering

Suzy11
11 years ago

OK here we go.The soil of my tree is drier on one side then the other. When watering the water flows right out of the one side right away, the other side takes a bit longer. I am trying to keep my tree healthy until i can get it transplanted this summer. Any sugesstions of how I should water? The tree looks pretty healthy except for yellow baby lemons and a few yellowing leaves. Is the yellowing a winter thing? The tree does not like being inside.It does have a new flower & maybe another on the way.

Comments (28)

  • greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a
    11 years ago

    Suzy,
    I must say it doesn't look that bad at all...looks about as good as mine, actually :-)

    The watering is going to have to be done in multiple passes at a slow trickle.
    Bottom-watering is not something that I like to recommend, but it may serve to get this
    mix moist again. Managing moisture levels with this kind of mix is going to be difficult
    because of the uneven drying.

    Lukewarm water will help penetrate the peat, as will lightly scratching the soil surface.
    You might also try poking a thin skewer down into the mix to create channels for water
    to get to the center of the root-mass.


    Josh

  • mksmth zone 7a Tulsa Oklahoma
    11 years ago

    To add to josh's advice. sometimes I had issues similar to yours and i would submerged the entire pot in a bucket of water and just let it soak for 20-30 mins It wont hurt the tree at all and should let the water penetrate the entire mix. I have also added a bit of fertilizer to the water when i do this. Figured it couldnt hurt.

    Mike

    This post was edited by mksmth on Mon, Jan 7, 13 at 16:04

  • greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a
    11 years ago

    Oh yes, that's what I meant by bottom-watering.
    As I mentioned in the other Thread with the same advice, I would only do this once,
    just to wet the soil volume. Thereafter, try to keep on top of the moisture levels
    so that such tactics aren't required.

    The other caveat that I mentioned was that the roots may very well be dead in the dry soil,
    and by saturating that volume of soil we may be inviting root-rot. Also, if there are no roots
    in that area of the soil, there won't be nearly as much moisture removed....which means that
    the soil could stay wet for a very, very long time.


    Josh

  • mksmth zone 7a Tulsa Oklahoma
    11 years ago

    good point Josh. I have only done this in dire situations where for what ever reason I couldnt get my mix to get wet.

    Mike

  • Suzy11
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    Thank you both I will try it.. Will the yellow lemons and leaves just fall off and the tree be okay?

  • Suzy11
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    Will the yellow lemons and leaves fall off
    . I gave the tree coffee grains a week ago

  • Suzy11
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    Will the yellow lemons and leaves fall off. I did give it coffe grains last week

  • Suzy11
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    Will the yellow lemons and leaves fall off. I did give it coffe grains last week

  • Suzy11
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    Sorry about Multiple messages

  • Suzy11
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    What does the yellow mean??

  • greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a
    11 years ago

    Suzy, the yellow lemons will most likely fall (many fall off regardless).
    The yellow leaves, likewise, will be shed. In the pic provided, you can see
    that the yellow leaves are low and, thus, old. Trees naturally shed the oldest leaves.
    If the entire tree were yellowing, I would suspect two things: overwatering, lack of nutrients.

    Now, however, let me address the latest issue:
    please scrape away any coffee grounds that you can, and don't add them to a container plant again.
    Coffee grounds are fine in the yard, garden, compost pile, or as mulch in the beds. But coffee grounds
    are too fine a particle in a container, and will cause drainage issues. Secondly, coffee grounds
    may contain excess salts that can accumulate in your soil over time. And thirdly, coffee is a very
    small source of nitrogen and acidity and not worth adding for the return you get. Save it for the garden.


    Josh

  • Suzy11
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    Any idea what the Yellow lemons are from? Should I use a fertilizer now since it does have 3 green pretty big lemons?

  • greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a
    11 years ago

    Yes, fertilize. Lemons are heavy feeders.

    What fertilizer do you have available?

    Josh

  • meyermike_1micha
    11 years ago

    Suzy, did you ever scrape away the grinds?

    Mike:-)

  • Suzy11
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    Hi josh and Mike at home we only have Holly Tone and Miricle Grow. iIn the next few. Days I hope to get a citrus and ovacoto fertilizer. Mike no I did not scrap it. It has been
    over a week.. Do you think that I still need to? The baby is now dark brown. Should I pick it off?

  • greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a
    11 years ago

    Yes, please remove the coffee grounds...they're bad for a container mix no matter when you added them.
    The longer they stay in the container, the more detrimental the impact on the mix itself.

    Miracle Grow is probably just fine. Start with a 1/4 strength dose.

    Hey, Mike!


    Josh

  • Suzy11
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    Okay. Should I remove the brown lemon?

  • greenman28 NorCal 7b/8a
    11 years ago

    Either way.
    It'll most likely fall off on its own.

    Josh

  • Suzy11
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    Hi Josh how long do you think I have to wait before I could use The miracle grow?

  • hoosierquilt USDA 10A Sunset 23 Vista CA
    11 years ago

    Suzi, first off, it looks to me? like your lemon is potted in a nursery pot in nursery soil? Or, have you potted it previously in a well-draining potting medium? If you absolutely cannot re-pot (in a larger pot with a good potting mix, like 511 mix), in order to rehydrate your tree quickly, I'd simply take it to the bath tub, and soak it well, to rehydrate the potting mix where it has become hydrophobic. Not sure why you would but coffee grounds in, not really recommended. You can add coffee grounds to your compost pile, that's okay, but would not use coffee grounds in any container plant. Also, you might want to consider buying Dyna Gro's Foliage Pro. It has just the correct ratio of NPK as well as micronutrients. And, you can also add Osmocote Plus (it must be the "Plus" formulation of Osmocote, and there are 3 or 4 different formulations, so be sure to purchase the "Plus" as the NPK ratio is more optimal for citrus, plus it has the micronutrients, hence the "plus"). You mention MiracleGro, so I'm assuming you mean their "All Purpose Plant Food" formulation? That has a 24-8-16 (3-1-2 ratio), but no micros, so I would try to switch when you can. It's not a bad ratio, close to the ideal ratio of 3-1-5, but again, no micronutrients, and citrus do need those, as well as the macros (NPK). As long as your tree's soil is well saturated, and has no dry spots, you can start fertilizing. 1/4 to start is fine, then next time (as long as the soil is not dried out), you can then go to 1/2 strength.

    Patty S.

  • Suzy11
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    Hi Patty no i never repotted my tree. it is in It's original soil and pot. I would trransplant it now. But it was 3 pretty big Green lemons. I have scraped the Soil but it's hard to see the coffee grains. I remember you mentioning the 2 fertizers before. Do you use them together and how? I Use coffee grains because I read that they would good But I never will again. I have noticed that the Soil in the top of the pot is kind of compacted so I have to Somehow Break it apart

  • meyermike_1micha
    11 years ago

    Suzy, by the way, coffee grounds can repel water more than peat if left to go bone dry.


    Hello Josh and Patty!

  • hoosierquilt USDA 10A Sunset 23 Vista CA
    11 years ago

    Well, I would still try to re-pot your tree. It sounds like it's root-bound, and although it's looking good now, it is more important to protect the overall health of the tree, than worry about a couple of lemons it has :-) I would get it in a much larger pot with 511 mix. And, I apply the Osmocote Plus twice or three times a year, but your applications may be different, as I have my potted citrus outside year 'round. Check with the Mikes & Josh, they both do container citrus very well, they can give you better guidance than I on fertilizing for indoor citrus :-)

    Patty S.

    And, hi Mike!!

  • Suzy11
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    Thanks Patty. What about DYna Gryro? How often? The tree is outside. In Summer. Do you lived in the warm south?

  • Suzy11
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    Thanks Patty. What about DYna Gryro? How often? The tree is outside. In Summer. Do you lived in the warm south?

  • hoosierquilt USDA 10A Sunset 23 Vista CA
    11 years ago

    I live in S. California, in San Diego county. And, I will defer to our more expert container growers for the frequency with DynaGro. I would think once a month would be adequate, but Mike, Mike or Josh can better advise you.

    Patty S.

  • Suzy11
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    The last 2 times after I have watered and the draining stops I go to bed. By the next day Moore water Has drained

  • Suzy11
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    Okay thank you very much Pattyz. You were a very big help