I am looking for these two clematis with a source in the US or Canada(prefer) (or poss. Europe). Seeds might prove OK since I really want them for breeding. In return I have wild selections of Cl. verticellaris var colobiana; a lovely blue similar to an alpina (Group A), Cl. ligusticifolia and small flower white that was a parent of 'Grace' and I have the hard to propagate 'Joe Zary, rooted, which may be a group A but it will bloom into August for me here in the north. I would not live with out this wonderful purple flower.