I want to thank thoes who know,for all the responses to my posts.You have really helped me with the proper indentification of these plants.So,'Ernest Markham' Is correct.I don't know much about Clamatis Identification but will learn.I also post on the Conifer and Azalea and Rhodo forum.So i am learning alot about my new gardening hobbies.I was a orchid grower for 25 years so catching up with the outside gardening is a little slow. Thank's, Joe