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Nurseries in Florida (Taxus floridana and Torreya taxifolia)

ospreynn
13 years ago

I wonder if there are any nurseries selling those two species in Florida (near their natural habitat)? I would like to try them here. Also, any other nurseries of interest along the way, looking for species rather than cultivars. Looking for Keteleeria, and some other hard to find species. Thanks

osprey

Comments (33)

  • salicaceae
    13 years ago

    You might find Superior Trees in Lee, FL selling both. If you get T. taxifolia from near its range beware as they will likely have Fusarium canker, a serious disease that is at least partially responsible for its decline.

    No nurseries are selling Keteleeria, but I can tell where to see exceptional specimens within 1 mile of I-10. Send me a message.

  • borubar
    13 years ago

    Torreya Guardians have every year seed of Torreya Taxifolia.
    I asked once if I can have 10-15 seeds. They said no, and then I never get a response.
    http://www.torreyaguardians.org/

    At Daves Garden you can see pictures of Taxus floridana, maybe someone can give you cuttings if it is his ?

  • blue_yew
    13 years ago

    Myabe someone here has seed of Torreya taxifolia
    they can send borabor.

  • eric_9b
    13 years ago

    I've seen Taxus floridana for sale at Tallahassee Nursery in Tallahassee.

  • borubar
    13 years ago

    blue yew, I suspect that, unfortunately, no one will have seeds

    But how hardy is Taxus floridana?

  • blue_yew
    13 years ago

    Borubar I would say that Taxus floridana is Z8 hardy
    maybe Z7.

  • salicaceae
    13 years ago

    T. taxifolia hasn't produced seeds in the wild in decades. There are cultivated trees producing seeds and it all depends on who you know. Unfortunately, current laws to protect endangered species also restrict their cultivation, which might be also be important for saving them!

    T. floridana produces seeds, but deer are eating all the seedlings in the wild.

  • borubar
    13 years ago

    Yes but it is still very pity, that no seed is available. The same is with Pseudotaxus.

    Do you maybe know a source for seed of T. floridana?

  • blue_yew
    13 years ago

    Yes its very frustrating that there is no rare seed available these days.Come on someone must have seed of Taxus floridana

  • borubar
    13 years ago

    I agree with you

  • salicaceae
    13 years ago

    If you think that's frustrating, read this:
    http://www.torreyaguardians.org/assisted-migration.html

    The Torreya Guardians have no idea what is going on. The trees are being impacted by a disease and the disease has now been spread to North Carolina and N. Ga. There is absolutely no scientific basis for what they are doing. Plus, in the Nature article, it is claimed that FWS will support their efforts with a plan for AC. Nowhere in the 5 year status review for Torreya does it even hint at that. I was involved in the development of the review.

  • blue_yew
    13 years ago

    I received some T taxifolia seeds from Torreya gardians
    one germianted and now have a 1ft high T taxifolia.The
    species be grow world wide.

  • borubar
    13 years ago

    salicaceae,
    do you mean this article ??
    "Regulate Trade in Rare Plants" by Patrick D. Shirey and Gary A. Lambert, Nature 27 January 2011

  • salicaceae
    13 years ago

    Yes!

  • conifer50
    13 years ago

    According to the "Chief Arborist" at the "Biltmore", Zero(0) seeds were produced during the 2010 growing season....could there be a problem?

  • salicaceae
    13 years ago

    And the trees at Biltmore suffered severe winter burn last winter and the disease is present there. Moving the species to the southern Appalachians is a bad idea for many reasons.

  • blue_yew
    13 years ago

    They will recover no winter burn here on my T Taxifolia

  • tunilla
    13 years ago

    Hi. For those interested, please find below a link where you might inquire about what you're looking for. These folks are obviously specialised in palm seeds, but their conifer selection is clearly interesting as well. Good luck! T.

    Here is a link that might be useful: conifer seeds

  • borubar
    13 years ago

    salicaceae, I will read it.

    blue yew: Could you make a photo of your T. taxifolia ?

  • blue_yew
    13 years ago

    My T taxifolia

    {{gwi:627434}}

  • borubar
    13 years ago

    They have T. taxifolia for sale :
    http://www.woodlanders.net/index.cfm/fuseaction/home.home/index.htm

    Is Torreya taxifolia "Argentea" male or female ?

  • blue_yew
    13 years ago

    borubar

    Ive seen T taxifolia Argentia its not a good form
    variegated and burns in sun.

  • borubar
    13 years ago

    Thank you for the response. So the "normal" form is better.
    There is no seed source outside the US. So the only way is to find cuttings of a male and female plant.

  • salicaceae
    13 years ago

    There are no variegated ones in native habitat. They do poorly if in too much shade. The existing population is being nearly wiped out by a disease. There are only 400-600 left in the wild and they are in very, very poor condition. There has been no reproduction in the wild in decades. Virtually no nurseries sell them and those that do cannot send plants across state-lines due to assanine endangered species laws meant to prevent poaching being applied to plants. Thus, without cultivation, they are sentenced to extinction in the wild.

  • borubar
    13 years ago

    Wich disease is it ?

  • salicaceae
    13 years ago

    It is a canker disease caused by a new species of Fusarium...

    Here is a link:
    http://apsjournals.apsnet.org/doi/abs/10.1094/PDIS-10-10-0703

  • arbolero
    12 years ago

    There is lots of misinformation being spread about Torreya Guardians by those who wish we would go away. The best source for information, and possibly seeds, is www.torreyaguardians.org

  • salicaceae
    12 years ago

    Who wishes you would go away? What is the misinformation?? I think it is great that you are interested in this species and are actually working to save it. It would just be good to better understand why the species is dying in its native range before we begin moving it, in my opinion. This species was never given proper treatment by the scientific community (though some very good work was done by some - Schwartz et. al.). I think the agencies, researchers and 'citizen scientists' should work together to try to save it and understand why it is going extinct.

  • arbolero
    10 years ago

    I now have five saplings of T. taxifolia that are reproducing (4 are from cuttings). Seed from 2011 has produced 7 seedlings of up to 12' high so far, and I have thirty or so 2012 seeds stratifying. The risk of the soil fungus being spread from a seed is nonexistent, and my trees grow about 9' per year on average. The arguments against assisted migration mostly come from academics and nonprofit environmentalists whose living off of grant money depends on 'dying' species, rather than finding ways to save them through relocation. I got all of my seedlings and seeds lawfully, driving to GA to buy the first 6 at a commercial nursery, and then getting a dozen seeds through the NC chapter of Torreya Guardians (no interstate violations either way) back in 2005 or '06. So I have some genetic diversity between the two tree sources.

    I bought two Taxus floridana in GA, also. One died the first winter. The other straggled on and then died two years later. But knowing now what I did not know back then, I think I could use the same soil mixture that the Torreya taxifolia thrives in. I have also had fairly decent luck with rooting cuttings of the T. taxifolia under a mist system. The cuttings mature to seed-bearing much faster. While cutting-grown trees tend to grow in a horizontal spreading pattern instead of upright, their offspring from seeds are fast-growing, upright, and have the perfect 'Christmas tree' symmetry.

    Here is a link that might be useful: Torreya Guardians

  • salicaceae
    10 years ago

    There is nothing wrong with you cultivating torreya. In fact, I think its great that you are having success. That is totally different from "assisted migration". AM (aka Assisted colonization (AC)), which is the process of establishing new, reproducing populations of an organism in a new area where it wasn't found previously. AM is only a realistic option when a number of assumptions are met. These include: detailed knowledge of the biology of the species, detailed knowledge of the cause of its decline, research-driven approaches to introduction into new areas...and there are many of more. For the most part, none of these are/were known as AM was suggested for torreya and begun by the TGs. You still assume the pathogen is a soil-borne organism. It is not, it is very much capable of being transmitted on cuttings and/or seeds. I suppose since you are mis-trusting of academics and the leader of the TG group has stated that "there is no time to wait for science", we won't ever see eye to eye on this. In my view, this group is driven by emotions rather than empirical evidence. That is a shame, because much could be accomplished if forces joined. As for grant money, that is a ridiculous statement since there are basically no grant funds for this type of work since this species has zero economic value. I did manage to get $1500 to propagate disease-resistant individuals and test their resistance to the disease. I am hoping they may tell us something.

  • forrest30295
    10 years ago

    Nearly Native Nursery in Fayetteville, Georgia always seems to have Taxus floridana and Torreya taxifolia in stock. I bought a Torreya taxifolia from them in December that is doing well. Specialty Ornamentals in Watkinsville, Georgia has Keteleeria davidiana. I have not made it out to the nursery yet but I emailed the owner about their availability. She said that she only has 15 gallon (6-7ft) in stock but expects to have 1 gallons available in the fall.

  • Fred Cain
    3 years ago

    Does anybody know where I can obtain some Torreya Taxifolia seedlings? I am in Indiana

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