if pungens grow in your area.. then engels should also thrive ...

i know nothing about jasper ..

and i dont understand if you mean they are 24-30 wide ...... right now?? ..... or that is the size estimate??? ... no tree... of which conifers are.. ever stops growing ...

you deal with a thrown leader.. by cutting it off.. should it ever appear ... they all have the potential to do it ....

ken

Hi Ken,

Yes that is the size they are right now. I know..........even dwarfs can become monsters- given enough time.

I was more so wondering if Jasper would be a squatty little pyramid or a wide, flattened plant as it grows to maturity.

Bruce

Grafted engelmann's (on pungens or Norway) grow really well in the mid-west Bruce. On their own roots, I've never had a single seedling survive a summer.

To answer your question about shape... plenty of photos below.

Dax

Here is a link that might be useful: Scroll to Picea engelmannii 'Jasper'

cool link dax ...

do you think jasper.. jasper lake are the same???

ken

Thanks Dax!

I'm certain they are grafted plants. Photos seem to show overall retention of the lower to the ground shape. Color looks great.

Bruce

No question :-) they're grafted.

Ken:
'Jasper' was registered by Horstmann, 1992.
(Erhardt)

'Jasper Lake' seems to be synonomous with 'Jasper'
link to Vladimir Valenta collection, CZ Rep. below

Erhardt, Walter - 'List of Conifer Names' (2005); ISBN: 3800148813

Dax

Here is a link that might be useful: Valenta Collection

Hi Dax,

The correct name for Jasper is 'Hexenbesen Jasper.' You are correct in that it's a Günter Horstmann find.

'Jasper Lake' is an entirely different broom altogether, found by Jörg Kohout. Incidentally, there's another engelmann broom that Jörg found in Alberta called, 'Talbot Lake.' It's simply the next lake over from Jasper Lake.

~Dave

Here is a link that might be useful: More information

It should be noted that in the U.S., this plant is most often seen sold as Picea engelmannii âÂÂJasper.âÂÂ

True cultivar name is âÂÂHexenbesen JasperâÂÂ.

I Grow 'Bush's Lace' and âÂÂHexenbesen Jasperâ in Kansas City and both deal with a lot of heat and high humidity. No issues apparent and both are healthy.

Picea e. 'Hexenbesen Jasper'.
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Dave

Thanks!

I grew up in Cleveland and remember a large Picea engelmannii/Englemann spruce somewhere in the east side suburbs.

Thanks everyone for your replies!