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The year of Picea engelmanii

Random_Treelore
10 years ago

Hi Everyone-

In my hunting this year, I had the most luck with Picea engelmannii mutants. This one is a dramatically weeping specimen that I found right by the highway in someone's field. The owners were pretty nice, and I was able to shoot some pieces out last January. I have had two grafts take (of course, I didn't have more than a half-dozen Picea rootstocks ready this year, since I wasn't expecting to find cool spruces.)

Hopefully it will do the same thing in my yard :) This will be my first time propagating a mature tree like this. The scions were from the top of the tree, so hopefully that will help. Does anyone have experience with grafting up older trees like this?

Comments (25)

  • Random_Treelore
    Original Author
    10 years ago

    Here's another one. Unfortunately, it is in an area that is not open to snow mobiles in the winter, and it is pretty remote. I think that I'll have to try grafting it up in the late summer.

    I'm thinking of naming this one 'Freakshow', 'Tentacled Terror', or maybe 'Cthulhu'

  • Random_Treelore
    Original Author
    10 years ago

    This one was hard to get a decent picture of, since it is in the middle of the woods. It is a pretty large, upright broom. This one is accessible by snowmobile.

    I also found a P. engelmannii with pale variegation on its new growth. The only pictures of it are so bad that I'm embarrassed to share them. (I need to figure out how to be smarter than my camera!)

  • coniferjoy
    10 years ago

    Those are very nice and special finds!
    I've experiences with grafting scions of older trees.
    Why don't you've an email address at your "my page"?

  • Random_Treelore
    Original Author
    10 years ago

    I didn't have the email box checked on my profile. It should be fixed now :)

  • monkeytreeboy15
    10 years ago

    Amazing stuff!
    That variegated one sounds most intriguing.
    Hit me up if you want to help distribute your exciting finds this grafting season (December/January)!
    Lots of exciting stuff to send in return..

    -Sam

  • davidrt28 (zone 7)
    10 years ago

    I love the second one. It sorta reminds me of the mystery Picea abies I posted a picture of about a year ago.

    Here is a link that might be useful: http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/conif/msg0521333328646.html

  • sluice
    10 years ago

    Those are some nice engelmann spruce! I'm also thinking about grafting engelmann this fall, since there are a few that are virtually impossible to get to in the winter.

  • gardener365
    10 years ago

    That first one looks like the pouring of a fountain; or even a moving chainsaw blade. It has movement. Spectacular.

    That second one is interesting too.

    Dax

  • Random_Treelore
    Original Author
    10 years ago

    Has anyone had good luck with grafting Picea in the late summer/ fall? Any tips?

  • Random_Treelore
    Original Author
    10 years ago

    Wow, David... your P. abies form does look kind of similar to this one. It would be super cool to try crossing them :)

  • kbguess
    10 years ago

    Random,

    you might want to contact Brent Walston at Evergreen Gardenworks. He is a bonsai specialist that does his grafting in the fall. Not sure if he grafts spruce, but he might be a source of general info

    Keith

    Here is a link that might be useful: Evergreen Gardenworks contact page

  • sluice
    10 years ago

    I grafted this engelmann spruce in spring of 2010, with scions taken from about shoulder height.

    It's now starting to develop some upright growth this week.

    Here is an engelmann I'd like to collect from this July or August - it's remotely located and there's no way I can get to it from September to June.

    {{gwi:616931}}

    I tried grafting it in summer of '09 without success. This time, my plan is to graft a few each month (e.g. August, September . . . right on through to April '14). I'll store the scions in the refrigerator until grafting time, and once grafted, the plants will go under a grow light in the basement.

  • Random_Treelore
    Original Author
    10 years ago

    Thanks, Keith- I'll try emailing Brent Walston and see what info he might have.

    Sluice- I really like your second one. It would be really interesting to see what it looks like as it gets bigger. And yeah... why do the coolest ones have to be so dang remote? :P

  • bengz6westmd
    10 years ago

    The first one is stunning. Where is it?

  • Random_Treelore
    Original Author
    10 years ago

    Here's my latest Engelmann find. I'd be interested in seeing what you guys think of this one.

    (Sorry for the lack of contrast in the picture. To get a better shot, I would have had to bush-wack through a bunch of brush)

    Here is a link that might be useful: Potty Mount Plant Hunter

  • pineresin
    10 years ago

    "Here's my latest Engelmann find. I'd be interested in seeing what you guys think of this one"

    An awful lot of grey dead twiggery showing - I don't think it would be very ornamental in the long run.

    Resin

  • unprofessional
    10 years ago

    "Twiggery" is my new favorite word.

  • sluice
    10 years ago

    Hmm. Could be questionable. I would probably try it, might do better under cultivation.

    Glad you brought this engelmannii thread up again!

    {{gwi:592587}}
    {{gwi:697339}}

  • sluice
    10 years ago

    Collected scion yesterday, along with cones. We'll see what happens!

    Picea engelmannii, four years later

    Picea engelmannii cones

    Picea engelmanni, collected cones

    Another picea engelmannii, with many cones

    Picea engelmannii, with cones

  • pineresin
    10 years ago

    Those cones look fairly long for Colorado P. engelmannii - how long is the longest, please?

    Resin

  • sluice
    10 years ago

    First pic is from first tree, second pic is from second tree.
    Google map location: Heart Lake, White River National Forest, Colorado 81637

  • pineresin
    10 years ago

    Thanks! Yep, at 7 cm that's longer than other Colorado origins I've seen (mostly 3.5-5.5 cm), though I have seen slightly longer cones (scroll down here) from Oregon and Mew Mexico (where the growing season is longer, of course)

    Resin

  • Random_Treelore
    Original Author
    10 years ago

    Sluice- good luck with those grafts and seeds!

    Cool Trees :)

    Random

  • sluice
    10 years ago

    Thanks Random. If all else fails, I suppose the tree isn't that big . . .

    Here is a scion - showing this year's growth and the prior.

    This year's growth.

  • gardener365
    10 years ago

    Juicy cut. Match em up Nate!

    Dax

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