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| Starting a new thread since it's a nice grey, rainy day and maybe this is one that more folks up north can contribute to. As before, please try and limit your photo additions to 4-6 pics at a time and try not to post duplicates unless your cultivar is different in size or form.
Picea pungens 'Aubie's Spreader' 4-5 years old, completely flat and grows sideways.
'Kutjebo' - About 4 years old, interesting mini/small dwarf.
'Gebelle's Golden Spring' - One of the better white/gold flushing colorado spruce. 4-5 years old.
'Hillside Dwarf' - About 4-5 years old.
'Haley's Blue' - About 3 years old, very small dwarf/mini.
Let's see some of yours - this post should get enormous! -Will |
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- Posted by bluespruce53 Dorset UK (My Page) on Tue, May 18, 10 at 17:36
 Picea pungens 'Brynek'
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Picea pungens 'Walnut Glen'  Picea pungens 'Spring Ghost' Picea pungens 'Early Cones'
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| Bluespruce, The 'Brynek' looks fantastic! Do you have any background on 'Kinosha'? The reason I ask, is that Jerry has one named 'Kenosha'. Thanks. |
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| Not much interest here so I'll add a few. Not rare conifers by any means and obtainable for those who have an interest. Dave        
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- Posted by firefightergardener (My Page) on Wed, May 19, 10 at 14:33
| Now we're pickin' up some steam. Great looking plants, Blue, Dan and Dave!! Picea pungens 'Blaue Kissen' Probably 4-5 years old. 'Karina' 3-4 years old. 'Spring Blast'. About 3 years old, certainly seems to be more 'gold' to me then 'Gebelle's Golden Spring', and it also has smaller, thinner needles to me eyes. 'Blue Pearl'. I'd say about 8 years old. A classic. 'Shiloh Weeping' 4-5 years old, supposedly more upright with age. 'Summer Gold'. Not real common, will monitor the gold flush. My plant is only a couple years old. -Will |
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- Posted by clement_2006 (My Page) on Wed, May 19, 10 at 15:25
 Picea pungens "Kanosha" Bluespruce,I photographied to Kohout's garden center, and I noted Kanosha. Clément |
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- Posted by plantmarker z7 NC (My Page) on Wed, May 19, 10 at 21:35
| Does anyone have a photo of Picea pungens 'Gotelli'? There was a discussion some time back about prostrate Picea pungens cultivars. From what I remember, the general consensus was that this cultivar offered the best combination of blueness and flatness. Thanks! PlantMarker |
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- Posted by firefightergardener (My Page) on Thu, May 20, 10 at 13:17
| The word of the day is Winter storm! 50-60 MPH winds and rain in the local passes, Winter lands the last big hook! Picea pungens 'Burl'. 2-3 year old graft. 'The Blues' 5-6 years old. One of the best. 'St. Mary's Broom' Probably 5 years old. A great small dwarf. 'Scottie'. A narrowish small upright. 3-4 years old. 'Sea Blue'. 2-3 years old, a very very nice blue color. Medium Dwarf. 'Bakeri'. Mine is just establishing, should grow 8-12" a year eventually. Great color. 6-9 years old I'd guess. 'Walnut Glen'. 4-5 years old, will surely burn here in full sun, a strange white/gold new growth in part shade. -Will |
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- Posted by gardener365 5a (My Page) on Thu, May 20, 10 at 17:01
| It's on the American Conifer Society Database PlantMarker. Dax |
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Stopped by Jerry Morris' today.  'Kenosha'
'Platte Moon' 'J. Lee' 'Miss Colorado' ortet (broom on bonsai specimen) Niwaki specimen 'Wierdo' 'K. James' 'Haley's Blue' 'Karina' 'Navy Mike' 'Buckwheat'
'Kenosha' is from a broom near Kenosha Pass. Jerry said when he found it, pretty much the only thing living on the tree was the broom itself. It's gone now. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Kenosha Pass
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| sluice...great post. Wonderful cultivars. The Niwaki specimen is interesting with it's narrow growth habit. Do you have the full name? I would like to find that one. Suppose it is for sale some where? Dave |
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- Posted by gardener365 5a (My Page) on Sat, May 22, 10 at 8:03
| Superb stuff. From my collections of photos: Picea pungens Bob's Broom Picea pungens Glauca Globosa Picea pungens Glauca Globosa Picea pungens Glauca Pendula Picea pungens Glauca Procumbens Picea pungens Iseli Fastigiata Picea pungens Iseli Fastigiata Picea pungens Offuit Picea pungens Spring Ghost Picea pungens Sunshine Picea pungens Walnut Glen Picea pungens Walnut Glen Dax |
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- Posted by gardener365 5a (My Page) on Sat, May 22, 10 at 8:33
| More from this same photographer: Picea pungens Benno Picea pungens Blaukissen (labled Blue Kiss - anglicized translation which is incorrect) Picea pungens Blaukissen Picea pungens Bob's Broom different shape than above. Picea pungens Hoopsii Picea pungens Linda's Mad Dancer Picea pungens Montgomery Picea pungens Mrs. Cesarini Picea pungens Offuit Picea pungens Spring Ghost Picea pungens Sunshine Picea pungens Walnut Glen Dax |
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- Posted by bluespruce53 Dorset UK (My Page) on Sat, May 22, 10 at 8:43
| Very nice pics all, and thanks for the correction on Picea pungens 'Kenosha' Nate. Dax, your pic of the Picea pungens 'Blaukissen' is not the correct plant. Which raises the possibility that perhaps 'Blauekissen' and 'Blue Kiss' are different plants after all....can anyone make a positive ID that your pic is of 'Blue Kiss' ? Will also try and post some more pics later. |
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- Posted by coniferjoy (My Page) on Sat, May 22, 10 at 8:45
| Dax, some comments to your very beautifull photo's... Picea pungens 'Iseli Fastigiata' The photo's of the Picea pungens 'Blaukissen' doesn't show us the right cultivar. Your first photo of the 'Bob's Broom' isn't visable for us, can you try to show it again? The original cultivar name for the 'Montgomery' was 'R.H. Montgomory', I think this is the name we must use. |
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| Is the following cultivar available in Europe: Picea pungens Linda's Mad Dancer It looks like a very interesting plant. Richard |
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- Posted by coniferjoy (My Page) on Sat, May 22, 10 at 11:06
| I never saw that one around here Richard. Shall we inform eachother who's the first one who have it in his collection? |
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| Dave, The niwaki is actually a regular P. pungens tree. According to my loosely translated interpretation of the term, niwaki means an in-ground tree that's been shaped according to the gardener's plan. Like bonsai, but not in a pot. For this tree Jerry routinely trims the new bud growth on the side branches to keep a narrow form. The pruning leads to backbudding, and growth fills out closer to the trunk. It's definitely one of my favorites. Nate |
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- Posted by bluespruce53 Dorset UK (My Page) on Sun, May 23, 10 at 7:10
 'Bialobok' in the ground, with a new one to me of Picea pungens 'Buchholz #3'..foliage seems to be bluer than 'Bialobok'
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- Posted by gardener365 5a (My Page) on Sun, May 23, 10 at 7:51
| Hi Edwin, Regarding Bob's Broom - the second photo is the correct photo. I am certain the first photo was of the wrong Regarding 'Blaukissen': I was certain it was the wrong cultivar as well. I have been reading the other somewhat recent thread regarding this plant from Darren's nursery. Stephen, Globe is awesome. That's a beautiful plant... I see it's a 1962 introduction from Goddard Nurs. Good name. I think Edwin may be the winner of 'Linda's Mad Dancer' Richard, /hehheh. Dax |
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- Posted by coniferjoy (My Page) on Sun, May 23, 10 at 8:05
| Stephen, I also like the 'Globe' very much and I have it also in my collection but under a slightly differend name, 'Green Globe'. This name is also mentioned in the World Checklist of Conifers. Picea pungens 'Green Globe'  |
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- Posted by bluespruce53 Dorset UK (My Page) on Sun, May 23, 10 at 9:26
| Edwin, the checklist says both Globe and Green Globe are unacceptable names ? |
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- Posted by bluespruce53 Dorset UK (My Page) on Sun, May 23, 10 at 9:33
| Also see it in Wiel Linssen's list as 'Globe' |
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- Posted by firefightergardener (My Page) on Sun, May 23, 10 at 9:49
| I have a 'Green Globe' as well with basically identically color/shape. |
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| A double graft. Still need to remove some of the rootstock. 'Lucretia' |
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| Dax, those Walnut Glen shots are gorgeous. They've got to be 20-30 years old. mark |
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- Posted by gardener365 5a (My Page) on Sun, May 23, 10 at 16:57
| Hi Mark, The larger specimen is at the Dubuque Arboretum in Iowa. It does look dynamite. Nate, you can clip all the understock off. There's plenty of foliage to sustain the roots. Beautiful blue color. Dax |
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- Posted by firefightergardener (My Page) on Mon, May 24, 10 at 12:35
| More more more! Picea pungens 'Sweet Roll'. About 4 years old. 'Silver Falls'. 3-4 years old. Supposed to be a sprawler, semi-weeper. 'Montgomory'. My specimen was one of my first conifer buys - a very popular 'Big Box Store' conifer. Strange look so far. 'Hermann Naue' - A very choice, heavy coning small dwarf. 3 years old maybe. 'Teton Tower'. So far towering over very few things. 3-4 years old. -Will |
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- Posted by henksgarden (My Page) on Mon, May 24, 10 at 14:27
| Picea pungens Mseno Picea pungens Thume Picea pungens Olo Picea pungens Early Cones Picea pungens Wendy Picea pungens Maigold Picea pungens Porcupine Picea pungens Nimetz Picea pungens Hermann Naue Henk. |
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- Posted by firefightergardener (My Page) on Tue, May 25, 10 at 0:23
| Henk wow! 'Nimetz' and 'Maigold' are awesome! 'Donna's Rainbow'. Not too exciting yet! 'Edith' 'Lucretia'. A little older. Looks narrow. 'Montana Ave.'. At least 10 years old, maybe closer to 15. 'Victor' 'Wisconsin Cream'. A very cool conifer. Normally more upright. -Will |
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| Here are three yearlings that were pummeled by a hailstorm last summer. It's good to see them making a recovery this spring! 'Miss Colorado' 'Teton 13' 'Mile Up 92' |
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- Posted by coniferjoy (My Page) on Tue, May 25, 10 at 11:17
| What a lot of Picea pungens cultivars at this topic, very nice! Richard, I like the 'Maigold' very much, it's a nice contrast with the green and yellow needles. The correct name of the 'Montgomery' is 'R.H. Montgomery'. Your 'Stanley's Pygmy' isn't a Picea pungens but a Picea glauca cultivar. I hope to see other photo's of the 'Stanley's Pygmy' for comparing. |
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| Edwin, I bought the plant from Stephen at his open day in 2007. It is a very healthy robust plant. Anyway I imagine he will give you some more information about it. I bought the Maigold from Hachmann nursery in Germany in October 2005. Seems to be doing pretty well! Richard |
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- Posted by clement_2006 (My Page) on Tue, May 25, 10 at 12:24
| According with Edwin, it's questionable about Picea pungens "Stanley's Pygmy" I study from some times and I think it's more Picea glauca than pungens. Clément |
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- Posted by firefightergardener (My Page) on Tue, May 25, 10 at 14:58
| I apologize that my plants aren't larger - I'm cataloging my collection so I'm shooting photos of basically every graft I've planted. I know they aren't much to look at! Picea pungens 'Dietz Prostrate' 'Baby Blues' 'Fat Mac' 'Lutea'. Adds gold hues in later Summer. 'Stanley's Gold'. Mine may need staking! 'Summer Gold'. New pushes is a nice gold color. Rescued this one from the back isle of plants at Coenosiums. -Will |
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- Posted by bluespruce53 Dorset UK (My Page) on Tue, May 25, 10 at 16:26
| Edwin & Clement, Can't remember for certain where the material for my 'Stanley's Pygmy' came from, definitely not from Haddow at Kenwith, he has never listed the plant. it is possible it came from Ronald, but as I said I can't really be sure. |
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- Posted by coniferjoy (My Page) on Wed, May 26, 10 at 1:38
| Stephen, my Picea glauca 'Cecilia' aka 'Skippack' looks the same as the Picea pungens 'Stanley's Pygmy'... |
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- Posted by clement_2006 (My Page) on Wed, May 26, 10 at 14:37
 Picea pungens "Spring Ghost"
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| Clement if you dont mind me asking, where did you obtain that picea pungens ''Niemetz''. Coniferjoy helped me with finding out about where to purchase P p ''bialobok'' but i couldn't find out any info about P p ''Niemetz'' |
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- Posted by firefightergardener (My Page) on Wed, May 26, 10 at 22:04
| A handful more. 'Mrs. Cesarini'. Some suggest it's picea abies, whatever it is, it's beautiful and sometimes 'pushes twice'. 'Hunnewelliana'. A very nice colored blue mound. 'Blue Select'. -Will |
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- Posted by clement_2006 (My Page) on Thu, May 27, 10 at 1:42
| Bluegix, Please contact me directly by mail. clement_anthoine@hotmail.com Clément |
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- Posted by coniferjoy (My Page) on Thu, May 27, 10 at 2:06
| Stephen, A 'Buchhol #3' does't exist, it must be 'Spring Ghost' you showed us. Buchholz introduced 2 P. pungens cultivars which are 'Spring Ghost' and 'Spring Blast'. The last one isn't the one at your photo... This is no guessing story, Talon told this to me. From where you received that 'Buchholz #3'? |
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- Posted by jaro_in_montreal (My Page) on Sat, Jun 5, 10 at 17:41
| PlantMarker asked about P.p. 'Gotelli prostrate' a few posts back.... Here's three of the 5 I have (...the idea being to eventually cover the ground completely with P.p. fronds, where there used to be a grass lawn)
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- Posted by firefightergardener 7/8 (fletchonthemove@hotmail.com) on Tue, Jul 13, 10 at 13:47
| That 'Gotelli Prostrate' sure looks lovely. Seems in direct competition with some of the other rambling blue spruce and it may have a small edge! Picea pungens 'Blue Mesa'. Spreading dwarf. 'Blue Mist'. Just a baby, looks like a small one. -Will |
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- Posted by mesterhazypinetum 6 (zs.mesterhazy@chello.hu) on Wed, Jul 28, 10 at 20:04
| Dear Will! You gave above a nice pic from 'Edith'. Be careful, this is a very big tree. My one is about 15 meters tall after 25 years, and has taken till now 6 m in diameter. She has almost whitegrey cones. Zsolt |
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- Posted by mesterhazypinetum 6 (zs.mesterhazy@chello.hu) on Sat, Jul 31, 10 at 8:06
| The pedigree of 'Edith' seems following Edith Picea pungens ‘Edit’ I try to enclose a photo of Picea pungens 'Edith' Zsolt |
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- Posted by gardener365 5a (My Page) on Sun, Aug 1, 10 at 8:19
| Zsolt's link to Picea pungens Edith
How to Zsolt: Dax
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- Posted by gardener365 5a (My Page) on Sun, Aug 1, 10 at 8:39
| Excuse me, I opened your photo at your website to create a new link: http://img2.tar.hu/mesterhazypinetum/size2/11213242.jpg This new link when copy/pasted to the browser: http://img2.tar.hu/mesterhazypinetum/size2/11213242.jpg You see the difference Zsolt? Otherwise we see this: because of using this link: http://kep.tar.hu/mesterhazypinetum/50028971/11213242#2
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| I love the blue colored trees. I don't have anything blue in my tiny garden. I've always been afraid it would stand out too much. Maybe I'm wrong though and it would look great. rose |
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- Posted by mesterhazypinetum 6 (zs.mesterhazy@chello.hu) on Sun, Aug 1, 10 at 11:47
| Dax! I guess the problem. I linked a page with photo, not the photo itself. Thanks! Zsolt |
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| I have always wondered if Picea pungens Niemetz, bialobok, John Paul 2nd, and Fruhlingsgold are one of the same plant? |
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- Posted by gardener365 5a (My Page) on Sun, Aug 1, 10 at 17:41
| Yeahhh Zsolt! florafun, coniferjoy knows the answer. I believe (John Paul II) is synonymous for 'Bialobok'. Dax |
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- Posted by coniferjoy (My Page) on Mon, Aug 2, 10 at 9:50
| Florafun, 'Bialobok' and 'John Paul II' are the same. It's found in Poland and brought into the trade as 'Bialobok' but when it went to the U.S. somebody renamed it in 'John Paul II' which is illigitimate. 'Niemetz' shows it's white spring colour 2 weeks later then 'Bialobok'. 'Frülingsgold' (is German for 'Spring Gold') doesn't show us any gold in Spring, it's a creamy-white colour. |
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- Posted by mesterhazypinetum 6 (zs.mesterhazy@chello.hu) on Mon, Aug 2, 10 at 18:37
| Edwin, Its not so simple. We know about 700 Picea pungens cultivars. From this mass it is possible, to make a genetic map of the species - which directions are known degenerating of seeds, brooms. Anyway, it is known, that Picea pungens brings sometimes different kinds of yellow or yellowish colourchanging seedlings. Why or why not, the polish breeders found more yellow needled clones, as usual. Florafun, there are a lot of yellow pungenses. Just in Poland Jan Byczkowski beside Bialobok. I think we have to make borders in time, too. Niemetz found his cultivar in 1905 in Temesvar Hungary. This is an "Aureospicata" type, where the needles has sometimes goldes shots. I never heard of Picea pungens John Paul II, but a blueish Abies arnoldiana x John Paul II, yes. Germans has also nice selections, as Maigold - this is also a type, which goes back to green or blue in some weeks. This spring I found in Hungary a Picea pungens 'Kaibab Sárga' (Kaibab Yellow)in the Lakatos Nursery, which turns after a month back to blue. This all work like the Picea abies 'Finedonensis', or the Pusch-Rydal complex in Picea abies. A friend of mine selected not long ago Picea pungens 'Asztika'of seed, which starts with a rose-purple, than pale yellow,and green, and finally blue, and this theather happens in 2 months. Anyway, these are all beautiful plants, and I congratulate everybody, who finds in the seedbed such happy coloured seedlings. I think, these rare selections are the jokes of the genetics, but we are only the crowd, who pay for the theatre of the nature... |
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- Posted by mesterhazypinetum 6 (zs.mesterhazy@chello.hu) on Mon, Aug 2, 10 at 19:00
Picea pungens 'Asztika'  This is a late phase in June's end when colouring to pale bluish in the progress. |
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- Posted by mesterhazypinetum 6 (zs.mesterhazy@chello.hu) on Mon, Aug 2, 10 at 20:50
| An other one to the extra pendulous variations Picea pungens 'Nagykörös'
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| The 'Nagykörös' is outstanding! |
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- Posted by bluespruce53 Dorset UK (My Page) on Tue, Aug 3, 10 at 7:59
| The information I have, is Jan Redyk of European Nursery in Oregon renamed Picea pungens 'Bialobok' to 'John Paul 11' to suit the American market. |
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- Posted by coniferjoy (My Page) on Tue, Aug 3, 10 at 14:21
| Zsolt, It's that simple as I wrote it, why make it complicated? You mentioned that 'Niemetz' is from the Aureospicata group because of somethimes golden new growth which isn't golden but a creamy white, so it's one from the Argenteospicata group like 'Bialobok', "Byczkowski', 'Spring Ghost', 'Frühlingsgold', Spring Blast' and 'Walnut Glen' The Aureospicata group contains the following cultivars: Is the 'Asztica' at the photo the original one or is it allready propagated? |
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- Posted by mesterhazypinetum 6 (zs.mesterhazy@chello.hu) on Tue, Aug 3, 10 at 14:49
| Nate! Some more about Picea pungens 'Nagykörös' It was a great storm there, as I photographed this 40 years old beauty. Mr. Barabits has the Sequoiadendron giganteum 'Requiem', which works the same. The new branchlets are turning down in 2-4 years. You see a column, but it is a pendulous wonder! Published 2010 Mesterházy in the Conifer Treasury of Hungary I found last years some of this kind pendulous wonders. Maybe not so blue, even grey or totally green. Zsolt |
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- Posted by mesterhazypinetum 6 (zs.mesterhazy@chello.hu) on Tue, Aug 3, 10 at 15:41
| Edwin, I was going to make it clear, that all colourful selections are unique. We can or must compare them, but they are part of the conifer genetics. All are for me one, and never repeatable finds. About the renaming I don't like that, because the possibility of stoling a plant is in the story. I vote for totally description with all possible infos, this could save the well documented cultivars from "renaming". Open publicity could make a lot for the breeder's rights. I follow the pendulous Picea pungens story from Hungary Picea pungens Templomtorony Picea pungens Tetétlen Picea pungens Vidor Description Found in a small park in Szobránc Lane, Zugló, Budapest. A natural seedling dwarf, pendulous plant in bright middle green colour. Needles are looking forward, buds are light brown, branchlets after some years turn down to hanging, and this makes the plant a 1,5 m broad column. Some goldilocks cause a better view of this courious little beauty. At age of 40 years reach 4 meters. Photo documentation by me As I brought the scions of 'Vidor' to Tóth Gyula, he told me: Jesus, this picea pungens is green! I answered him, ok blue ones can make anybody, but a green one? All Europe is full of the blue trees, we also need green ones, too! Zsolt |
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- Posted by gardener365 5a (My Page) on Wed, Aug 4, 10 at 9:17
| Zsolt! I've looked at your website for more photos of Picea pungens 'Asztika'. Yes one more is there but it shows no more than we already see. Could you show the color progress? Dax |
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- Posted by monkeytreeboy15 (My Page) on Sat, Aug 7, 10 at 0:01
| I like 'Olo'. It looks fasciated. Was it found as a witches broom, Henk? -Sam |
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- Posted by clement_2006 (My Page) on Sun, Oct 31, 10 at 12:09
 Picea pungens var glauca A very strange speciment fotographied in Poland last saturday Clément |
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- Posted by coniferjoy (My Page) on Sun, Oct 31, 10 at 16:34
| Clément, it's a strange one indeed! Did you ask the owner for some scionswood? |
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- Posted by clement_2006 (My Page) on Sun, Oct 31, 10 at 16:56
| No it's a private house,and the first branch are up 2 m. hight.I have see other strange Picea pungens var. glauca, but not always possible to stop for made photo. Here it's 13h and I look for heat. Clément |
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- Posted by tsugajunkie 5a SE_WI (My Page) on Mon, Nov 1, 10 at 17:17
| Picea pungens 'St. Mary's Broom' (with protection)
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- Posted by firefightergardener 7/8 (fletchonthemove@hotmail.com) on Tue, Nov 2, 10 at 11:41
| LOL tj, great. Clément, that tree is outstanding. Do you think grafts would carry over that extremely narrow habit or do you think they did some pruning? |
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- Posted by clement_2006 (My Page) on Wed, Nov 3, 10 at 15:17
| By grafting, it's very probable you have the same plant, with the same caractéristics. Clément |
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- Posted by longaeva54 6 (My Page) on Fri, Nov 5, 10 at 13:17
Picea pungens Blue ball  Picea pungens Brynek  |
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- Posted by plantmarker z7 NC (My Page) on Sun, May 22, 11 at 20:42
| Hello - From where can one find Picea pungens 'Blue Horizon'? Thanks! PlantMarker |
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| Picea pungens 'Blue Balls'--a plant no guy wants in his collection! |
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