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Thu, Jun 18, 09 at 18:53
| Lots more to do, so I'll let the vets start this parade! |
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RE: Picea orientalis parade
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| It regenerates naturally here ;-) Self-sown tree growing under Pinus nigra; old specimens in background.
Resin |
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| That's a beauty Resin. Thanks for sharing the photo. Dan |
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| I guess I'll go first. I do have some more. But waiting to see who else will bite. Picea orientalis 'Skylands Prostrate'
Picea orientalis 'Gowdy Gold'
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Nice! I just got an 18" 'Skylands'. Not in the ground yet And what is that good-looking pine behind 'Gowdy Gold'? T. |
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This one is selected from seedlings by myself. 'Filip's Little Mound'
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| ooooh ahhhh, nice selection Edin. The only one I have is a very small graft of 'Golden Start' but many seedlings I do have. Stephen I see you have this on Google but no photo to be seen or does anyone else have a photo to share? Kev, let us see that 'Skyland's Seedling' you were telling me about. Dax |
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Dax, I have a photo to share of the 'Golden Start' aka 'Wittbold Compact' Picea orientalis 'Golden Start'
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Dax I will post a pic of 'skylands seedling' tomorrow, been pretty crappy weather here. Tunilla behind 'gowdy gold' is Pinus strobus 'Ainsworth' which was found in upstate Vermont. I find it to be a very tight,compact broom. |
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| Edwin, thank you. That has a great golden flush compared to the other conifers in the picture. My newest Picea however not orientalis 'Spruce Lane' which a photo can be found on Google, a glauca has 4 weeks of spring golden flush. It is a graft from this year and has a long way to go. Thanks Kev. I like that strobus too. It looks like about 3" of new candles which is a "perfect" dwarf conifer. Maybe 2.5. Later, Dax |
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I make more photo's tomorrow
Picea orientalis Prof Langner
Picea orientalis Early Gold Henk |
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Edwin, here is an even biger! 'Golden Start' about 24 years old, ten feet high by about seven feet across.
Picea orientalis 'Shovenhorst'
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Nice 'Golden Start' Bluespruce! The one I have in my collection is made from a cutting and grows nice and slowly. A small correction for the 'Shovenhorst', it must be written as 'Schovenhorst'. It's found as a witches'broom at the Schovenhorst Pinetum in Putten, Holland. |
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| Yes, sorry Edwin, it's just a typo on my part, promise I won't do it again :0) |
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picea orientalis 'Mount Vernon'
picea orientalis 'Skylands'
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| Kmanzfive, What are the caracteristics of the 'Skylands Odd Form' and the 'Skylands Seedling'? The 'Skylands Odd Form' looks more greenish to me or is yours standing in the shade most part of the day? Some other cultivars: 'Atrovirens'
'Barnes'
'Bergman's Gem'
'Doverside Pendula' (not a true weeping form)
'Gracilis'
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| Coniferjoy - 'Odd Form' is as yellow, when I took the picture a storm was coming in lighting was off - oh well,it is a much, much slower growing cultivar. 'Skylandlands Seedling' - is tight, as yellow, the shape of mine I'd say conical and to me it really looks like a yellow form of 'Barnes' at least mine does anyway, took leader off for grafting. Between 1" to 2" of growth per year. |
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| Kmanzfive, thanks for your info. A couple more... 'Hexenbesen' (= 'Witches'broom' in the German language')
'Juwel'
'Kenwith'
'Knaptonensis'
'Mount Vernon'
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| Edwin, It is very possible that 'Knaptonensis' is the same as 'Murphy', and that 'Kenwith' could possibly be a Picea abies form. |
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Shadow's Broom
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| Bluespruce, 'Knaptonensis' and 'Murphy' are not the same plant. The 'Knaptonensis' is a tree form while the 'Murpy' is a compact witches'broom. 'Murphy'
Indeed, it could be that the 'Kenwith' is a Picea abies witches'broom, the needles are differend and a ligther green. |
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| Edwin, perhaps you need to grow 'Murphy' for a little longer, then come back and tell me it's a compact witches' broom ? |
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Bluespruce, I grow them both at my nursery and then you see the difference from the beginning on.
The 'Murphy' is on the left, the 'Knaptonensis' on the right. You can see that the 'Murphy' do have a nest forming shape and the 'Knaptonensis' is a tree form with a leader. All of these young plants looks this way. Also the 'Knaptonensis' do have a lighter green needle colour. |
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My last one's... 'Schovenhorst'
'Schadow's Broom' (received from Stephen last year)
'Spring Grove'
'Stovezand'
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| I can add a few, even if they are just babies: Picea orientalis 'Pendula'
'Iseli Seedling'
'Nutans'
'Silver Seedling'
'Skylands'
'Early Gold'
'Daureas'
'Ferny Creek Prostrate'
Added this one as well, though it is not Picea orientalis - it's very similar. Picea jezoensis 'Aurea'
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| Will, Nice photo's of the Picea orientalis cultivars you have in your collection. Also the Picea jezoensis 'Aurea' looks great but remember that this one is not a nestforming plant as seen at your photo. It's an upright form which growes slow for the first couple of years. I think you have to cut some side branches away at the right side. If you want to keep it nest forming then you have to cut the leaders away when they appear. Picea jezoensis 'Aurea' (photo taken in Winter)
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| Edwin, Picea orientalis 'Shadow's Broom', not Schadow's Broom. Picea orientalis 'Tom Thumb'(Gold)
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Picea orientalis 'Reynold's no.1' - one of the two M3 witches' brooms found by Bernard Reynolds, rare as hens teeth, and not to be confused with 'Murphy' which is wrongly attributed as being one of the M3 brooms in the 'World Checklist of Conifers'
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| Wonderful photos. Saved em all just about. Thanks, Dax |
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Stephen, I know it's 'Shadow's Broom' but it's the language English to Dutch. In Holland we don't have words with "sh", we write them as "sch", so I wrote the name of this cultivar in a wrong way. You had the oppeside problem with writing the 'Schovenhorst' as 'Shovenhorst'. No problem here as long as we help eachother out, it keeps us sharp ;0) Which one is the other M3 broom that Bernard Reynolds found? As you mentioned the 'Reynold's no.1' is as rare as hens teeth :0) the scionswood I received from you were succesfull grafted. Does M3 means Mountain 3? Picea orientalis 'Reynold's no.1'
'Leden'
'Eddie Rezek'
'Holenka'
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Edwin, The 'Shadow's Broom' was discovered by Don Shadow, so I would guess the name is spelt this way in any language ? The 'Schovenhorst' was a typo on my part, no other reason. The M3 witches' brooms are a bit of a mix up for many years. First thought to be 'Murphy'(M3 no1) and 'Reynolds' (M3 no2), until in recent years it was discovered that the mother plant for no 1 wb had never been propagated from. So now they are to be known as 'Reynold's no.1' and Reynold's no.2'. M3 is the motorway between Winchester and London, along which the two witches' brooms were found by Bernard Reynolds. |
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Thank you all for the continuing fine parade of pictures! We are all in your debt. I really appreciate the pics, and also the stories behind the finding of various trees. Thanks again, Josh |
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| Great brooms Edwin. Fantastic. Since you two lovers have finished quarreling, we can move on ;0)!! I'll start with some first class 'Skyland's':
With Pseudotsuga menziesii 'Environmentals'
'Skyland's'
Winter Color zone 5:
'Gowdy'
'Aureospicata'
'Aureospicata'
'Barnes'
'Connecticut Turnpike'
'Gracilis'
'Losely'
'Nana'
'Nigra Compacta'
'Silver Falls'
'Silver Falls'
'Bergman's Gem'
How's bout a Hosta and a Maple: 'Tidewater' no drueling Ken. Speaking of the devil, where you at, a "permanent" vacation, I'm wondering? :-)lol I know, mean.
Acer palmatum 'Callico'
Dax |
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| Dax. only use an apostrophe to show possession, so none in 'Skylands' ;o) |
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Stephen, what does the 'Reynold's no.2' looks like, do you also have a photo of this one? I never came across this cultivar so I think it also have to be very rare. |
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| ha ha Stephen.. I remember. if the plants aren't in your garden, well what can I say... Edwin, there are "Reynold's" Picea's but I don't know the species. I will check my photos later. Seems to me they are either Picea abies or Picea pungens, however. Dax |
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| Edwin, I don't have 'Reynold's no.2'(listed as 'Reynolds') in my collection, it is a much faster growing selection though. probably similar to cultivars like 'Bergman's Gem' or 'Wansdyke Broom'. there is a short story and photos about Bernard Reynolds and the M3 witches' brooms in the BCS Journal Autumn 2005 No.5. Dax,I have seen a Picea abies Reynold's no.1 in the Harper Collection at Hidden Lake Gardens, that doesn't have anything to do with Bernard Reynolds and the Picea orientalis brooms. |
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| My Tom Thumb Gold today,
Clément |
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| Very nice plant Clement, how old is it ? |
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| My Picea orientalis "Skylands" today.
My Tom Thumb Gold are planted in winter 97-98 arround 2 or 3 years old at this time, = +/-14 years old. Clément |
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| Clement how old is that skylands? How tall & wide? |
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Clément, I think you are one of the first persons in Europe which became the 'Tom Thumb' and the 'Skylands', I have never seen such a big one's! |
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| Wow. age of Skylands? Picea orientalis Oregon grown P+3 (Quick greenhouse then transplanted 3 years minimum before it ever got to me). My first year growing corn. 'Sugar Buns' block planted May21 photo from July5:
5 blocks of Sweet Corn. (last block didn't plant) and block prior still needs weeding (blocks are 30' x 30' (10m x 10m entire garden = 60m x 10m). I'm enjoying this more than my conifers dare i say:
Me...well, I'm 35 :0)
Dax |
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| My picea orientalis "Skylands" have arround 28 years old. Clément |
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| A one of a kind. Thanks, Dax |
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| Magnificent specimens you've got there, Clément. It looks like things are growing pretty much into one another. Wouldn't that be a Picea omorika 'Nana' growing to the left of your 'Skylands'? Will you have to sacrifice one or the other some time in the future? T. |
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Tunilla, Yes,it's a Picea omorika "Nana" they are not too close for the moment,bu maybe in the future if neccesary I cut Picea omorika "Nana" for me Picea orientalis "Skyands " is more interesting ! After 30/35 years of collecting I have this problem each year. Clément |
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