It's a species that dislikes a combination of heat and humidity.

There are at least two at Morton arboretum, which is not too far from MI. They look better than I would have expected. Nothing like the scent of pinyon pine.

dislikes a combination of heat and humidity.

==>>> so one of those high elevation .... semi arid type plants???

ken

Pinyons along with junipers occur at lower elevations than.. let's say.. ponderosa pine... but I believe always over 4,000 ft... so elevation is relative... It would be high for you Ken, but low for us. In their habitat, day temperatures may reach 100F, but night temperatures always below 75F.. March-June (growing season) is bone dry....

exactly.. at 500 feet elev .. i aint high..

and though i have the 100 degree days.. sometimes.. night is higher than 75 and VERY HUMID when it stays such ....

i am analogizing it to the difference between my 5 .. and daves Kansas city z5 ... and he said its night temps/humidity on the mississippi basin ... that means he can NOT grow things i can in my z5 ...

so in my own head.. i will think mountains.. when i see edilus ...

ken

You're right Ken, they grow in the mountais as most pinyon species.
If I remember correctly, you have pure sand at your location... It should be worth the try.... Places that I'm 100% sure it would dislike are around the Mexican gulf coast line...

Absolutely Ken- worth a try. Give it afternoon shade. Consider it like your Abies procera or procera(s). You're getting away with murder up there with that sand. Dangnabbit for the rest of us.

Dax

"Absolutely Ken- worth a try. Give it afternoon shade"

Yep, definitely give it a try, but absolutely total full sun dawn to dusk for a compulsory must, no shade at all. Also maximum drainage and exposure to wind to avoid stagnant air.

Resin

Ken, I've had good luck with some of the smaller cultivars of Pinus edulis in full sun and well draining soil. I have 'Farmy', 'Trinidad' and 'Tiny Pout'. Our climates are similar so I'd give them a try if you are so inclined. Here's a pic of 'Farmy' from today.

Dan

Dan, that's a very nice 'Farmy' you're showing us.
Can you also show us a pic of your 'Trinidad' and 'Tiny Poud'?
Thanks in advance!

Now I know.

Dax

Per your request Edwin, Pinus edulis 'Trinidad'

Dan

... and Pinus edulis 'Tiny Pout'

Dan

Thanks again Dan for those very nice pics!
Which nursery is growing all these cultivars?

I got mine from High Country Gardens which specializes in xeric plants. They usually have conifers in their Fall catalog and they tend to sell out quickly. Also you may want to check out the link I provided. They are in Colorado and have descriptions and availability of some rarer Jerry Morris brooms including the edulis brooms mentioned above.

Dan

Here is a link that might be useful: Laporte Avenue Nursery

What resin said above. Maximize its native conditions -- full sun, air, and drainage -- even plant on a sandy, elevated berm.

Another to try is Bristlecone pine (Musserforest has them). Perhaps 5-needlers (soft pines) aren't so needlecast-prone as hard pines. Limber & southwestern white pines grow fine here.

This post was edited by beng on Mon, Jul 15, 13 at 11:39

Dan, thanks for their website link as well.
They sure have a very nice conifer assortment!

someone.. who shall remain unnamed.. unless she fesses up .. gifted me with Pinus edulis 'Trinidad' and an aristata .... whats that all about ....???

i am overwhelmed ....

anyway ....

i think dax suggested shade for afternoon heat considerations..

while resin suggests blistering full sun .... for the species i presume ....

and i note somewhere.. that bone dry during the growing season is good.. but what do i do with a recent transplant...??? .. bone dry but watered deeply????

does dan treat his any different in his garden bed ...

one thing for sure.. in my sand.. it wont be standing in water ... unless i leave the hose on all summer ...

any further thoughts???

i will be scouting the yard for a few days ...

ken

Ken, I have all three in full sun. 'Trinidad' and 'Farmy' are in South facing raised bed with well draining soil.

Dan

I am growing 'Farmy' and 'Tiny Pout' here in NH. I am a zone 5 on the edge of zone 6. I have had them in the ground for 5 years and all seems fine.