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Posted by theforestprimeval (My Page) on Tue, Oct 27, 09 at 18:37
| Anybody have any experience growing this rare species? Denver Botanic Gardens has a fantastic specimen. Though it is zone 5, Denver has dry summers and this lack of summer humidity seems to allow them to grow many cold hardy west coast species that tend to struggle in the midwest and east, such as sequoiadendron. Anybody have experience with this species in an area with humid summers? Also, I have seed if anybody is interested. drop me a line @ theforestprimeval@gmail if interested. |
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| This might be the one you mention. An outstanding tree!
Bark texture and colors
Foliage and cones
One of the tags said Cupressus bakeri spp. Mathewsii, Siskiyou Cypress |
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| Hello I would be interested in cupressus bakeri seed you can email me through my page. Thanks |
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| sluice, I see online that seeds of the Denver Botanic Specimen are being sold. Do you have seeds from that specimen? theforestprimeval, what is your seed source? Thanks, Dax |
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My experience is in growing its near cousin, Arizona Cypress, assume it to be similar, they sure look the same. They are one of the few dry weather mountain conifers that can handle extra humidity and rainfall, but should be planted in well-drained to very well-drained areas with full sun. They are pH adaptable and prefer more porous soil but will also grow in clay soils if well-drained. Germination - I pre-soak seeds 72 hrs and plant, but the expert advice is to then cold stratify for 30 days. I have not seen any germination improvement with it. The guys at the Cupressus Conservation Project may be able to give you more specific information regarding Cupressus Bakeri. |
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| Im not sure, exactly, how closely related C. Arizonica is to C. bakeri, but I would be inclined to say that its not related closely enough to necessarily warrant similar cultural requirements. The two are in different sub-families, I believe. There is a specimen of bakeri at Morton Arboretum, near Chicago, and especially given its age and where it should be in terms of growth, it is certainly not thriving. It seems to be exhibiting characteristics that many west coast natives do when grown in areas with humid summers - stunted growth, a scraggly look, browning foliage, etc. Where as the Denver specimen is less than thirty years old (from seed) and is already touching on 35 feet in height. That tree almost looks better than the wild specimens Ive seen that are more than three times its age. As the seed is wild collected I would prefer to give seed to individuals with a particular interest in this species and its preservation, who live in climates that are suitable to its health. If I am wrong in assuming this species struggling in humid summers somebody please correct me, I might be dead wrong for all I know as I am only going on one particular tree Ive seen and a trend in many, but certainly not all (ex: Calocedrus) western natives. |
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| "I see online that seeds of the Denver Botanic Specimen are being sold" If they have any other Cupressus species growing there (including Nootka Cypress), there's a risk that the seeds will give hybrid progeny. Resin |
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Dax, I don't have any of the seeds. Resin, there are other Cupressus at DBG as I recall. Nate |
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| Just checked, and i stand corrected...supposedly C. Bakeri is more closely related to C. arizonica than I thought, according to Eckenwalder. And...DBG had many specimens of both C. arizonica and C. nootkatensis so hybridization is very likely. I picked up some seed from the nootkatensis however this species is reportedly somewhat tricky from seed. Resin, any word on possible humidity tolerance of bakeri? As it is supposed to be close to nootkatensis in taxonomy might it be more humidity tolerant? |
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| Hi Forestp - missed your post before (same time as mine, just a fraction earlier!). Relationships within Cupressus are much disputed and hybridisation little investigated, but given that nootkatensis has crossed successfully with 3 quite diverse American species (glabra, lusitanica, macrocarpa), I'd guess options for hybridisation are fairly wide. On humidity - it thrives well in Britain with cool summer humidity. Less sure how it does with eastern US hot humidity, the one I've seen there (in Missouri) was alive and no obvious disease, but was decidedly thin and slow-growing. The spot it was in was I'd suspect a mite on the shady side though. I'd say definitely worth more trials on a wider range of sites. The biggest one I've seen - much bigger than any I saw in the wild at Seiad Creek - is at Villa Taranto in northern Italy. Summer humidity is higher there than in most of the Med., due to its proximity to the Alps. Resin |
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| Resin, From the Gymnosperm Database: Little (1970) reports an accessible grove at Miller Lake, near Steve Peak in southeastern Josephine County, Oregon. Wolf (1948) adds that the grove is on the NE slope of Miller Pk., 0.5 mile E of Miller Lake, T.40N, R.5W, S.28, about 0.3 mile by 600 feet at an elevation of 5000-6000 feet. HERE is a Google Maps image of the area; there appears to be a logging road running to Miller Lake. Wolf assigns these trees to his subsp. matthewsi. He also suggest a good site to see his subsp. typica: the "timbered crater" site in Siskiyou County immediately adjoining the NE corner of Shasta Co., California, at T.38N, R.4E, S.2. These trees occur on lava beds in "a remarkably thrifty looking forest of Pinus ponderosa, P. attenuata, Juniperus occidentalis and Libocedrus decurrens." The Gymnosperm Database for Cupressus bakeri I can buy seeds of matthewsi from an orchard in Hungary. Would it be that sub. matthewsi comes from this cold elevation (originally) in Oregon? I've been reading but please put me out of my misery. I assume this is the best locale of seed origin for me, yes? Thanks, Dax |
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| Genetic analysis has reportedly shown little to no difference between matthewsi and 'typica', I visited both groves and the only discernible difference is that typica, a.k.a. subspecies bakeri, has somewhat smaller cones. The trees in the matthewsi stand were larger only because theyre growing at a higher elevation and receive much more precipitation (they are also right next to a clear cut and hideous pine plantation! Hows that for conservation and environmental stewardship? Im going to miss the bush years...). Anyway, I doubt there is any differentiation in the species as a whole in hardiness...both pops are subject to immense snowfall and wind and cold temperatures. Most botanists involved with this species seem to doubt that the siskiyou county and oregon populations are even a valid subspecies. |
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Thanks forestprime. I read that too regarding the seperate populations. Thanks for the info. I may sometime purchase a seedling and see what I can do. I don't need more than one anyways. It's the closest look I'm going to see when it comes to Sequoiadendron. And, it will probably crash and burn. Good luck to you. Best Regards, Dax |
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Heres some photos of foliage at one of the lava bed sites as well as a photo of an odd specimen of bakeri with a "skyrocket" form. Will post more later... P.s. - one of the most remarkable things about this species is the smell of its foliage...it is by far one the most pleasant and overpowering smelling of all the new world cypress. After visiting this location I kept a little piece of foliage near my bedside to smell when I went to sleep at night, it smells that good. |
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| I have been growing one here in Ohio (Zone 6) for around five years or so. It is a rather fast grower and it has never had winter burn. It was a bit top heavy at first and tended to want to lean over for the first few years, but not it has stabilized. When I got it it was maybe 2 feet tall and not it is around 8 or 9 feet. It has a very nice fragrance. I can always smell it when I am within a few feet of it, especially after a rain. |
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