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| Hello, everyone. I need some help identifying these uncommon Abies species The first tree I received as Abies squamata, and I am doubting its authenticity. Please either confirm or deny the allegations of its "squamata-hood."
beginnings of flaky bark?
This final fir tree was purchased as Abies gamblei which I have also seen listed as Abies pindrow var. brevifolia. In my opinion, the tree does not resemble Abies pindrow that closely, and I believe it should be classified as its own species. Please let me know what you think this fir tree may be.
Thank you for your help in identifying these special trees. -Sam |
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- Posted by clement_2006 (My Page) on Mon, Dec 5, 11 at 16:48
| The first are probably Abies ernestii or maybe recurvata The 2 th are from delavay group, maybe forrestii.   Abies gamblei Clement |
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| I'm thinking Abies holophylla for the first. Agree A. forrestii for the second. Clément's A. gamblei is correctly labelled, and shows nicely just how distinct it is. Resin |
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| Sam, how do you obtain such incredible specimens at such an incredibly young age? |
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- Posted by monkeytreeboy15 Zone 7b/8a (My Page) on Mon, Dec 5, 11 at 22:13
| Thank you Resin and Clement for your wisdom regarding these firs. Does Abies forrestii have orange twigs and resinous buds typically? These two trees came from Don Howse at Porterhowse Farms, and he receives most of his plants from R & R Nursery, his wholesale sister nursery. -Sam |
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- Posted by clement_2006 (My Page) on Tue, Dec 6, 11 at 6:21
| No, NO, not holophylla. Here is Abies holophylla
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- Posted by monkeytreeboy15 Zone 7b/8a (My Page) on Tue, Dec 6, 11 at 10:57
| Do either of you Clement or Resin, have pictures of Abies squamata for comparison? Thank you. -Sam |
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- Posted by clement_2006 (My Page) on Tue, Dec 6, 11 at 12:03
| Yes, in the next days. Clement |
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- Posted by monkeytreeboy15 Zone 7b/8a (My Page) on Tue, Dec 6, 11 at 12:13
| Thanks, Clement. Is it possible that the second one is Abies georgei? or is this the same as forrestii? -Sam |
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| "Is it possible that the second one is Abies georgei? or is this the same as forrestii?" Virtually the same - georgei is just a higher altitude variant of forrestii with pubescent shoots. Best treated as Abies forrestii var. georgei. Resin |
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- Posted by clement_2006 (My Page) on Wed, Dec 7, 11 at 12:18
Today, between strong wind, rain or sun, I photographied my Abies squamata :     I don' understand how is possible to mix this species so typical, needles bluish with many stomats, colour of the twigs, trunk !!!! at young age ! I don't understand. Clement |
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| That bark is amazing! |
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- Posted by monkeytreeboy15 Zone 7b/8a (My Page) on Wed, Dec 7, 11 at 13:34
| Yes, definitely not squamata for the first one. Thank you for posting your pictures and that beautiful bark! It makes my want for this elusive tree all the greater. Is it safe to consider the second one Abies forrestii? Thank you again! -Sam |
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- Posted by gardener365 IL 5/6 (My Page) on Wed, Dec 7, 11 at 15:03
| Sam check for pubescence on the youngest wood. Dax |
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- Posted by monkeytreeboy15 Zone 7b/8a (My Page) on Thu, Dec 8, 11 at 2:29
| The youngest wood lacks pubescence. This means that it is likely just Abies forrestii. Thanks for the identification help, everyone! Should I enter Abies recurvata for the first one in my database? -Sam |
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