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Identify these two incredibly rare fir trees

Posted by monkeytreeboy15 Zone 7b/8a (My Page) on
Mon, Dec 5, 11 at 12:46

Hello, everyone. I need some help identifying these uncommon Abies species The first tree I received as Abies squamata, and I am doubting its authenticity. Please either confirm or deny the allegations of its "squamata-hood."

beginnings of flaky bark?
Abies squamata
a close-up of the buds and quite sharp needles..
Abies squamata
a branch:
Abies squamata
a close-up of the needles and branchlets:
Abies squamata
the undersides of the needles:
Abies squamata

This final fir tree was purchased as Abies gamblei which I have also seen listed as Abies pindrow var. brevifolia. In my opinion, the tree does not resemble Abies pindrow that closely, and I believe it should be classified as its own species. Please let me know what you think this fir tree may be.
Abies gamblei
the whole tree:
Abies pindrow var. brevifolia
a close-up of the buds: quite resinous
Abies gamblei
the twigs are quite orange and the needles are the darkest green I have seen on a fir tree.
Abies gamblei
The needles have very prominent white bands on the undersides of the thick, dark green, blunt-tipped needles:
Abies gamblei
Abies gamblei

Thank you for your help in identifying these special trees.

-Sam


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RE: Identify these two incredibly rare fir trees

The first are probably Abies ernestii or maybe recurvata
The 2 th are from delavay group, maybe forrestii.
Abies gamblei
Abies gamblei
Abies gamblei
Clement


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I'm thinking Abies holophylla for the first.

Agree A. forrestii for the second.

Clément's A. gamblei is correctly labelled, and shows nicely just how distinct it is.

Resin


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  • Posted by whaas 5a SE WI (My Page) on
    Mon, Dec 5, 11 at 20:57

Sam, how do you obtain such incredible specimens at such an incredibly young age?


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Thank you Resin and Clement for your wisdom regarding these firs. Does Abies forrestii have orange twigs and resinous buds typically?

These two trees came from Don Howse at Porterhowse Farms, and he receives most of his plants from R & R Nursery, his wholesale sister nursery.
His nursery/pinetum are very nice to tour. If you ever find yourself out in Oregon, you should make certain to visit. You will find yourself leaving with several plants as well!

-Sam


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No, NO, not holophylla.
Here is Abies holophylla

Abies holophylla
Abies holophylla.
Clement


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Do either of you Clement or Resin, have pictures of Abies squamata for comparison?

Thank you.

-Sam


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Yes, in the next days.
Clement


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Thanks, Clement.
Is it possible that the second one is Abies georgei? or is this the same as forrestii?

-Sam


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"Is it possible that the second one is Abies georgei? or is this the same as forrestii?"

Virtually the same - georgei is just a higher altitude variant of forrestii with pubescent shoots. Best treated as Abies forrestii var. georgei.

Resin


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Today, between strong wind, rain or sun, I photographied my Abies squamata :
Abies squamata
Abies squamata
Abies squamata
Abies squamata
I don' understand how is possible to mix this species so typical, needles bluish with many stomats, colour of the twigs, trunk !!!! at young age !
I don't understand.
Clement


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  • Posted by whaas 5a SE WI (My Page) on
    Wed, Dec 7, 11 at 12:58

That bark is amazing!


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Yes, definitely not squamata for the first one.
Thank you for posting your pictures and that beautiful bark! It makes my want for this elusive tree all the greater.

Is it safe to consider the second one Abies forrestii?
Is it var. georgei?

Thank you again!

-Sam


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Sam check for pubescence on the youngest wood.

Dax


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The youngest wood lacks pubescence. This means that it is likely just Abies forrestii. Thanks for the identification help, everyone!

Should I enter Abies recurvata for the first one in my database?

-Sam


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