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Weekend Trivia -- Sunday

Happy Sunday Morning, Cottagers!! It is a clear, mild day today, and I may be able to get my hose out of the snow at some point - yea!!

I listened to a radio documentary this week about the gramophone, and it's remarkable survival. It's death was predicted when the 8-track came out, then the cassette, and most recently the compact disc!! Yet many artists still put a small amount of vinyl out with each release, for the purists.
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Remember these?? Sorry Laura, you may be at a slight disadvantage, but only a slight one!! This is the 'centre' for a 45 rpm record. The earliest rotation speeds varied widely. Most records made in 1900 - 1925 were recorded at 74 - 82 revolutions per minute (rpm). Edison Disc Records consistently ran at 80 rpm. Why you ask, would they not sure the same size hole as a 78 rpm, yes?? Well, remember the Beta Max? Same reason. After World War II, two new competing formats came on to the market and gradually replaced the standard "78": the 331âÂÂ3 rpm (often just referred to as the 33 rpm), and the 45 rpm (see above). The 331âÂÂ3 rpm LP (for "long play") format was developed by Columbia Records and marketed in 1948. RCA Victor developed the 45 rpm format and marketed it in 1949, in response to Columbia.
So, would have been a great question, but I could not think of clues that would get you there, other than the obvious Beta Max reference. CBC has a great show on, called the 'Vinyl Cafe', about a guy named Dave who runs a vintage record store. One of the stories this week was about Dave and a couple of the kids who work part-time for him playing 'Ringo'. They do this by throwing the above 'thingies' across a room at a spinning turntable. No rules were suggested, but I suppose whoever ends up on the turntable, closest to the centre wins. Hey, I didn't say the program was deep!! lol.

So, here is my question - what did RCA call this little invention?
For this I do have clues, and I'll be back with them, if you need them!!

Nancy.

Comments (24)

  • auntyara
    11 years ago

    Good morning all,

    what a difference a day makes! it's not the brightest of days, but it's absolutely balmy at 40 degrees. :) all the new ice has melted except on the piles of s@#w. ( I don't like typing out 4 letter words).
    You all don't know this but I am #8 out of 9. Growing up we had a very sophisticated stereo system/hi-fi. It came with a black piece of plastic that clipped over the (nuts) can't think of what that metal pole was called to hold the records in place, but any way we never needed to buy those things pictured. BUT my older cousins gave us their unwanted collection of 45's when they out grew them.

    So I have seen them :)

    :) Laura

  • cyn427 (z. 7, N. VA)
    11 years ago

    Haha, Laura.
    I bet I did know this at one time. It is one of those things that you are sure you must know...but don't!

    I will wait for clues. Now, I will go give stars for yesterday.

    Cynthia

  • thinman
    11 years ago

    I totally know this. It was called a spindle spanner.
    OK, I made that up, but it could've been called that.

    It could be a record center attachment. That would go well with RCA.

    I'll keep thinking.

    TM

  • midnightsmum (Z4, ON)
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    lol - good for you Laura!! I didn't want to leave you behind, but I see your siblings have educated you.

    I actually had a turntable once that had a solid cone sort of thing that fit over the centre spindle. Very handy. 45's survived longer because of the jukebox - the larger hole made them easier for the mechanics of the machine to handle them.
    Some of Elvis Presley's early singles on Sun Records may have sold more copies on 78 than on 45. This is assumed because the majority of those sales in 1954-55 were to the "hillbilly" market in the South and Southwestern United States, where replacing the family 78 rpm player with a new 45 rpm player was a luxury few could afford at the time. By the end of 1957, RCA Victor announced that 78s accounted for less than 10% of Presley's singles sales, essentially announcing the death throes of the 78 rpm format. The last Presley single released on 78 in the United States was RCA Victor 20-7410, "I Got Stung"/"One Night" (1958), while the last 78 in the UK was RCA 1194, "A Mess Of Blues"/"Girl Of My Best Friend" (1960).
    So, they kept it long enough to get the bugs out, then let it go - hmmmmm.

    Nancy.

  • midnightsmum (Z4, ON)
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    Ha TM - you snuck in while I was putting my notes in. Actually, some of your initial answers letters are correct......spindle spanner - I bet they wish they'd come up with that!

    Nancy.

  • thinman
    11 years ago

    Hey, how about spindle spacer?

    TM

  • midnightsmum (Z4, ON)
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    Ohhh, so close, TM.

    I watched some episodes of This Old House yesterday. They were renovating a 90-year-old duplex in East Boston. What a neat neighbourhood, albeit, across from Logan airport!!They took the upper front deck off, cause it had become a home to squirrels and there was huge nest of carpenter ants!! Yuck, I hate bugs, especially the 8-legged variety.

    Nancy.

  • cyn427 (z. 7, N. VA)
    11 years ago

    Aw, was your clue too obvious, Nancy? :) If I go with the letters from TM, I may have it! I hate those critters, too.

    I had one of those tubular sort of things that fit over the spindle, too. Gosh, I had hundreds of 45s . I brought some from my parents' house when we cleaned out, but so many were missing. I suspect little sis...

    Cynthia

  • auntyara
    11 years ago

    ah ha!
    I'm on to something :)
    back when 45's were popular so was alot of things that aren't around much any more.
    Like certain sodas. Coke and Pepsi capitalized most of the market.
    :) Laura

  • cyn427 (z. 7, N. VA)
    11 years ago

    Nancy, I am over wanting snow now. The rain seems to have washed the waterspouts out and I am ready for spring. Now that I have said that, we will probably get hit this coming week.

    Are you packing?

    Cynthia

  • midnightsmum (Z4, ON)
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    AAaaaaarrrggghhhh......yes, packing to my Jango radio station!! Leon is trying to make me happy - "It take a lot to laugh, it takes a train to cry" - I have no idea what that means, but the piano bits are awesome!!
    It is snowing lightly here. Darn, I hate it when my clues are TOO obvious. Now, I have a phobia about that!!

    Nancy.

  • thinman
    11 years ago

    Was it a spindle arachnid?

    TM

  • midnightsmum (Z4, ON)
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    lol. How technically correct of you TM!!

    Nancy.

  • aftermidnight Zone7b B.C. Canada
    11 years ago

    I've been trying to think of another name it might have been called. S.A. is what I knew it as way back when, is there another, like, catchy name for it?
    Annette

  • cyn427 (z. 7, N. VA)
    11 years ago

    That's what I was thinking. Itsy bitsy indeed. :)

  • mnwsgal
    11 years ago

    Our cabinet stereo used an large solid insert to play 45s, singles. We teenage girls had a portable record player and used the record insert for 45s. I don't recall ever using the term you are looking for. Think we called them inserts.

    As the third daughter of a family of eleven and living on a farm I had very little money to buy records. The few babysitting jobs in our neighborhood went to my older sisters. Occasionally after school my sister, Charlotte, and I would go to the local bar so she could buy old 45s from their jukebox, the only jukebox in our small town.

    I can remember playing the same song over and over again to get the correct lyrics, no Web to look them up as I do now.

  • cyn427 (z. 7, N. VA)
    11 years ago

    That's so funny about listening to a song over and over. I did that, too, and still got the lyrics wrong half the time!

    Cynthia

  • midnightsmum (Z4, ON)
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    Bobbie - the only 'fan' letter I ever wrote was to the Smothers Brothers show, to get the lyrics for Phil Ochs song, the Vietnam Rag - even slowing the record down to 16, I still couldn't get all the words. I'll bet I could remember most of them to this day, though!!

    Nancy.

  • mnwsgal
    11 years ago

    One of the songs that comes to mind from those days is Another Saturday Night by Sam Cooke.

  • midnightsmum (Z4, ON)
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    Well, again, I think every got the answer?? Yes? Good, I like that.

    RCA 45s were adapted to the smaller spindle of an LP player with a plastic snap-in insert known as a "spider". These inserts, commissioned by RCA president David Sarnoff and invented by Thomas Hutchison,were prevalent starting in the 1960s, selling in the tens of millions per year during the 45 rpm heyday.And just try to find one now This all started because I found some old 45's and small format 78's (I think). I want to play one that I didn't remember owning, maybe it was Mum & Dad's, maybe it came from school. It will make a good trivia question one day, after I have time to do proper research, but the 'spider' question presented itself. I must say, I never knew it had a 'proper' name!! Only an adapter!! So, I thought I would throw it out there, to see if I was alone, and apparently I was....I think?? So, it was a bit of an easy question, as the only clues were dead give aways, or I should have used the rain-spout tack - Cyn, you are so much better at clues than I!

    So, for everyone:

    Just for your edification: In countries outside of the U.S., 45s often had the smaller album-sized holes, e.g., Australia and New Zealand, or as in the United Kingdom, especially before the 1970s, the disc had a small hole within a circular central section held only by three or four "lands" so that it could be easily punched out if desired (typically for use in jukeboxes).
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    These are some other adapters that were/are on the market - they just were not as ubiquitous as the yellow spider!!

    So, thanks for playing. Busy busy, must finish up my packing. Got my house plants over last night - yea!! Did some painting with seeds at my friends garden that I helped her put in last year, so that will fill in nicely. Don't know where my gardens are yet, so not too sure about winter sowing, I might have to do in in container, you know, the ones that I threw away when I started packing up!! lol. It will be same time, but from my new station new week. Have a great week, Cottagers.

    Nancy.

  • aftermidnight Zone7b B.C. Canada
    11 years ago

    No stars for me Nancy, I didn't know it was called a spider :( I don't think I ever heard the term, maybe because I wasn't a big fan of 45's.
    Hope your move goes smoothly without any problems.

    Annette

  • thinman
    11 years ago

    Nancy, is that The Draft Dodger Rag, you are thinking of?
    I used to entertain my students with this once in a while when the spirit moved me. I think I know what I'll be singing to myself the rest of the day today.

    Sarge, I'm only eighteen, I got a ruptured spleen,
    And I always carry a purse.
    I got eyes like a bat and my feet are flat,
    And my asthma's gettin' worse.
    Consider my career, my sweetheart dear,
    My poor old invalid aunt.
    Besides I ain't no fool, I'm goin' to school,
    And I'm working in a defense plant.

    Fun question, Nancy. I wouldn't have got it right without the clues.

    TM

  • midnightsmum (Z4, ON)
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    And it's one, two, three - what are we fighting for?
    Don't ask me - I don't give a damn
    Next stop is Vietnam.
    And it's five, six, seven - open up the Pearly Gates.
    Well, there ain't no time to wonder why...
    Whoopee, we're all gonna die.

    Dang, I got Feel-Like-I'm-Fixin'-to-Die confused with the Draft Dodger Rag - is this the 1st sign?? Ahhh, good times!! And no, I really was there!! lol.

    Nancy.

  • cyn427 (z. 7, N. VA)
    11 years ago

    I saw Country Joe et al in Paris at a Communist fete when I was over there my junior year! Odd thing-communist fete that was all about consumer goods. Weird, but the concert was great.

    Thanks for the stars. I never heard that name either before yesterday. Makes sense, though, when you look at that little gizmo. Now, don't you wish you had invented it?!

    Fun question Nancy. Good luck with your move. I am so happy for you and hope the new place is filled with laughter and fun.

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