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Posted by roseberri 5b (My Page) on Sun, Jun 28, 09 at 17:09
Hi all, I have a question for you about some of the newer colors of Echinaceas. My Big Sky Sundown E has petals that are curled like tubes and don't want to open even when mature. What causes this? Is it genetic or does the plant need something? Also I have a new Harvest Moon, will it be hardy and come back reliably Yellow?
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RE: Echinacea Question
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| Some of them (like Sunset, Sunrise and Sundown) have some quilled petals and some do not, I don't know if it's a genetic thing or something that happens in the tissue culture in some labs, I've seen pictures of the same variety with and without quilled petals. That being said there are some varieties that are supposed to have quilled petals like "All That Jazz". I have a couple of the Big Sky coneflowers with a few quilled petals too but they are good strong growers so will keep them around until I find ones to replace them. There was a very heated thread going about this problem on the Perennial Forum it was getting to be a little much. A lot depends on what our own particular growing conditions are as to how well these new varieties will do for each of us, what one person can grow another can't, even if we're in the zones the plant tag says will work. My "Harvest Moon" hasn't bloomed yet but it did come back for me after a very harsh winter. If you are like me and have to have these new varieties we just have to take our chances they will grow well for us, if not it would be best to wait a year or two until they have been proven to be a good one for your area. |
Here is a link that might be useful: All That Jazz
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| I followed those discussions about the new coneflowers over on the Perennial Forum too. Man, some people just go kinda overboard. Maybe it's me, but I just can't understand what is the big deal with having a coneflower that has the colors you normally find in a Gaillardia, or a Gaillardia or Rudbeckia that has colors that are more like a coneflower. You know, they're all daisy-shaped flowers, so just plant regular coneflower and regular Gaillardias and regular Ruds. Sorry I can't help with the petal problem. I've never grown any of the new coneflowers. |
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| thank you both for your answers! it's nice to have some feedback, I wouldn't be rabid about the colors, they are just pretty and it would be nice to have them repeat. If they are not going to be reliable, I would just stick with my pink and save my money for other flowers! |
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- Posted by patann Z5 SE Mich (My Page) on
Mon, Jun 29, 09 at 16:31
May I pop in my echinacea question here, please. This is a very strange year for my coneflowers, not only has the long cool spring produced very tall ones, but I can't for the life of me figure out why they droop after a rain or even the morning after being watered. I thought they were good drought-tolerant plants. Why would they droop so soon after getting water this year? Pat |
RE: Echinacea Question
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| I just happened upon this particular echinacea yesterday, my eye being caught by the lovely colour! and in two different nurseries one was opened right up like a regular E, and at the other location it was quilled. Now I don't know if the quilled one was going to open later on, but I remarked about it to my husband that it seemed to have two different growth patterns, both were Big Sky Sundown. |
RE: Echinacea Question
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| Do you know the variety name? 'All That Jazz' is supposed to have quilled petals. In varieties like Sunrise, Sunset, Sundown, Harvest Moon and Summer Sky it's a fault. If you are thinking of buying it and it happens to be one of the these names pick the one without the quilled petals. Annette |
RE: Echinacea Question
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| My Big Sky Sundown also had quilled petals this year. When I purchased it last year, it had a normal shaped flower. I tossed the plant into the compost heap after the 3rd bloom with quilled petals. Although this does not bother everyone, it bothered me a lot. I wanted the flowers to look like the one I purchased last year. And, yes, it is a ripoff to spend dollars on a plant that does not bloom as promised. Big Sky echinacea are not that inexpensive to begin with and you have wasted time planting it, waiting for it to bloom, digging it up and then finding another plant for that spot and waiting all over again. It is a quality issue that needs to be addressed by the propagator. Teresa |
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