I have to admit to not being a trendy type of person. For one thing, who has the time or money to change their house decor/wardrobe/garden every year, lol? Gee, not me. Besides, when I like something, I stick with it.

I didn't even know there WAS a color of the year for gardens, lol. But, that being said, I will try some new things, within reason. I sent for some zinnia seeds, for example, that are supposed to be the "new, hot thing". I don't even think I like them, lol, but you never know what the customers will like, so I'll give them a try.

:)
Dee

This year might not be such a good one for that strategy.

ThinMan

Kat, why do you doubt it? Are they more traditional, or is it something else? I am very interested in this subject. I am also wondering how much growers influence floral fashions by creating demand. Does anyone have a picture of that zinnia? I couldn't find one. It sounds fun! :)

The zinnia is available from Johnnys Seeds. I havent seen it anywhere else. It is a very odd combination and one that you either love or hate. I think that the photo in the catalog suffers from what my mother used to call 'printerzink', and so is not quite real, but we shall see. It is called Queen red lime, by the way.

Thanks again for the input, this subject continues to intrigue me. Kat

Kat, I also agree with everything you said regarding what your customers are looking for. I feel the customers at my local farmer's market are looking for the same thing. Especially in a market setting, they are (IMO) looking more for an old-fashioned, rural, homey, fresh-from-the-garden bouquet, not a highly-styled arrangement. Of course, that's not to say that a vendor at a farmer's market can't have elegant bouquets (because I feel I sell some quite elegant ones and the other vendor (with more experience - and land! - than I) has some gorgeous, elegant bouquets). However, I think the whole idea of a farmer's market appeals to a customer's "back-to-nature" chord, at least in the urban areas I live around. Growing for a florist could mean an entirely different mindset (for the customer, and therefore, for the grower).

To take that a step further with nckvilledudes' idea, I don't feel the average customer at my market would really know the trends in floral arrangements and/or flowers in any particular year. They might know cars, clothes, and home furnishings, but for some reason, I don't think they'd carry that trend-sense over to flowers. I don't know why I think that, and I could very well be dead wrong.

Or, maybe because I do have some very well-to-do customers, and they are used to high-end things (again, cars, clothes, furtniture), they love the simpler, more old-fashioned bouquets because it's different than what they are surrounded by.

Or maybe I'm just rambling, lol. Sorry, I guess I got carried away and started thinking out loud! But like I said, this has become an interesting thread!

:)
Dee

When the different style echinaceas came out, I was sure they weren't for me. Coneflowers should be pink. *grin* With a central cone. Not "weird" colors or shapes. Then I tried White Swan. Then I saw a Coconut Lime echinacea, and another variety with orange and salmon petals. Maybe I just got used to the idea, but now I want to try them all. I have no idea if I'm in the majority or not. Hence the thought, how much of the desire for something new is influenced by the growers simply by growing them and using them (for ex. in their bouquets)?

Does the perception that your target market lean toward the traditional make you less inclined to try the "latest" trends? I would think one of the benefits of growing annuals is the ability to change up the offering, within reasonable limits. So another question might be, what those limits are (and how are they determined)? Do you keep records of how many stems you sell, or what exactly?

I think farmer's markets are exactly where one would hope to find the unusual, the rare, or gourmet! :)

Perhaps your farmer's markets are different. In my area, they do offer unusual and rare things but the things tend to be more heirloom and traditional and not cutting edge new items.

I think I try for a good mix of all colors now, with lots of white and fillers (statice, ladies mantle, solidaster, grasses (ribbon grass), butterfly bushes, and others.

I like Florists Review for great ideas, their online site is great. Here's a quote from the issue now:

"New for summer is the return of yellow and cream, which has been in the back room for far too long! Peach is also having a great comeback!"
Paula Pryke; Paula Pryke Flowers

I think my market customers do like new and unusual things, but they do like a nice $7.50-$10 mixed bouquet.

I'm also interested in booth set-ups...how you display all your flowers! I have a very windy market and while my display is ok, I try to change it every year to make it look updated and fresh.

Wendy

Prairiegirl, I think that the perception that the market customer tends towards the traditional makes sure that I always have enough of that type of bouquet BUT, I think that it also fires up my desire to push a few new things, that's why I would be very willing to try the whole color of the year thing to jazz things up a little. As to the method for keeping track, if I come home with any bouquets, there is need for reevaluation in the content and structure.

How does one price 'new and unusual'? Do you increase price over the traditional bouquet? What foliage, filler, main flowers, do you consider new and unusual? Are you trying anything really out of the ordinary this year?

Kat

I am really enjoying hearing all of your professional growers' opinions about how to determine what to plant. I've wondered myself how I would be able to decide.

As far as what constitutes 'new' could it be as simple as adding something to the "tried-and-true"?

I tried Jewels of Opar (Talinum paniculatum)this past summer, though not strictly for use as a cut flower. It makes a beautiful filler, but if you wait too long, the "beads" fall all over the table. I would cut the stems in flower, and also try cutting them as soon as the seed pods form. I did not experiment with that, but I will. If you're not familiar yet, the tropical basal foliage is lime green and shiny(!) with long, straight wand-like stems that branch into little bursts of the teeniest pink flowers, that look like beads from a distance! These turn into itty-bitty orange beads, it's neat. I will be getting this again! ;)

Polygonum 'Kiss me over the garden gate' (love the name!)
New (I think) cosmos Rose Bonbon from Select Seeds, a lovely pink super double 2-3ft.
Cosmos Cosmic Red.
Nigella papillosa, with the star pods, gorgeous!
Others I have forgotten for now, but I will report back. None, you will note, are even close to the 'color of the year'.:)

Have you ever grown Bupleurum? I'm trying Bells of Ireland this year, not for market.

I have never seen Polygonum 'Kiss me over the garden gate' (Sad, isn't it? LOL), is it fragrant? It sounds lovely.

Know what I really like, but am afraid to grow? Remember Chinese Lanterns! Have any of you grown this, is it really a pain, etc. Because of that, I would consider them rare, and would buy them by the bunch. Pussy willows, same thing. I think they would be useful for season extension, what do you all grow for that purpose?

Do you consider themes, like 'ornamental edibles' for your arrangements? That is how I organize container groupings, sometimes. :)

How do you market yourselves to the customer, signs, etc?

Do you sell bunches, or bouquets, or both? I think what I'm looking for when I buy flowers, is a mix that works with where I am placing them, so fashion does enter into things on some level. Then if I could think of ways to combine them with other flowers, I would consider buying smaller bunches, or a few stems, and combining them. I don't see them sold like that around here, but I would like that!

Yes I have grown bupleurum, wonderful filler great color for any bouquet. Why are you not growing your Bells of Ireland for market? It is an easy and willing plant and will not disappoint for interest in bouquets. Self sows like crazy if you want it to. Pussy willow I have heard is also very easy to grow, again I dont know what your growing season would do to it. I am going to plant some little ones this spring.

I would love to do ornamental peppers for bouquets. There is a series called the 'Cappa Series' that have some really cool looking things, I just dont have the room this season. Do you sell container plants as well as cuts? I do, but mostly planters of mixed geraniums and other container plants. I also sell vegetable starts at the beginning of the season (my money makers before the flowers really come on) and veggies through the season with the flowers.

As to growing a little wheat, I have not a clue! I grow purple majesty millet every year and dedicate a 20ft x 4ft row to it very intensively planted but I dont know if wheat has the same kind of growth habit. Do you get multiple stems from one plant? I thought that the Panicum elegans 'frosted explosion' looked sort of interesting. Like fireworks in a vase!

Marketing myself has been a challenge. I have a large colorful banner that goes up in my booth and I post a few pictures of the garden but I am hoping to get a few brochures put together this year. Wendy has a few good pointers for stuff that she does, perhaps she will be back in here.

Well, now that we have got completely off the original subject, I will sign off. Talk to you soon. Kat

What works really well with wheat is to grow a bunch of it one season and dry it for next season's (and the next) bouquets. Drying is easy, cut when the plant is still streaked with some green (not completely ripe) bunch a handful of stems together with an elastic band and hang upside down in a dark, dry area. Then next season, use the dried stalks in bouquets all summer long. I sell a 'Saskatchewan prairie bouquet' that includes orange lilies (the Saskatchewan flower is the tiger lily), sunflowers, grass plumes, Heliopsis, and dried wheat.

I don't pay much attention to the trendy colors, I like making my own combinations and try not to overthink it - it loses something when I try too hard, LOL. Last year, tho, I saw a small container combination of soft yellow (possibly my favorite bouquet color, goes with everything) and soft pink and it was just stunning. I'd like to grow something specifically for that combo in bouquets. The Rocket snaps mix, which I grow every year, has that nice soft yellow but I need to find the right pink.

Anyway, I like the idea of 'color of the year' as a way of marketing, I think it's an excellent idea. If I were to see that on a sign in front of a flower vendor as I was walking by I might think 'whose color of the year - the vendor's? the country's?' Does it matter - you've sparked my interest and I'm walking over to your booth to investigate the color of the year and, of course, everything else you have to offer.

My season is short so containers are my season extenders. I've been selling rock garden container gardens - various hardy sedums, hens & chicks, etc, planted into shallow containers and finished off with crushed rock. Those sell quite well. Last year I started selling 1 gallon containers of hot peppers and tomatoes with fruit beginning to set and plenty of gallon pots of herbs. I also had some oriental lilies potted into 1 gallon containers that I sold just as the buds were swelled but not yet opened. The container stuff sells very well for me so I am expanding on that this year.

I grew Bupleurum last year and simply loved it. I've never grown Bells of Ireland but will try this year. I have grown Chinese Lanterns - very invasive (spreads by runners) and mine weren't very tall. I thought these Pumpkin on a Stick were kind of interesting and still may order some to try.

Kat~I confess I am not a market grower YET, I do so appreciate all of the feedback on this thread, it's very interesting! I've been doing a lot of research, and I do have some experience growing, in my garden and for the college I attend. I know it's HARD work, and my hat's off to all of you who do it!!

I just got back from my interview, I got a spring internship at a large family-run greenhouse and nursery! They grow plugs for other greenhouses, and sell a large variety of plants. I start in March, propagating.

We are looking now to relocate after I finish school, I want us to rent for a year before buying so we get to know the area first. Ultimately I would like to have a few acres, and grow cut flowers and stems. I do containers now, and I think it's a smart idea what you and pudge are doing. We do that in the greenhouse at school with the sedums and other succulents, they're very popular here also. I worked at an upscale nursery (Sid's) a few summers ago, many of the customer's wanted edibles, both herbs and flowers. That was fun, getting them to taste stevia was my thing, LOL.

I think Pudge made a good point about the 'color of the year' as a useful way to get the attention and interest of customers, by presenting your offerings as current, getting them to check it out, etc. Pudge, your fall bouquets sound lovely, and you know Heliopsis is yellow! :)

So, it sounds like you have a pattern(s) or recipe(s) that you then grow all of the flowers for, is that right?

I am trying or have tried most of the things mentioned above. Trying this year: buplerum, Pumpkin on a Stick, black-tip wheat (or is the silver tip I'm trying??), and panicum Frosted Explosion.

*Thinking* of Chinese Lanterns, but wary of the invasiveness factor. Perhaps in some big containers...?

Have tried KMOTGG - just cannot get germination on this one, for the life of me. But, still trying again this year. I saw a bouquet once simply of KMOTGG and euphorbia aureomarginata, and it was simply breathtaking. The memory of that bouquet keeps me trying!

Have also tried Bells of Ireland, but again, didn't get good germination. Trying again this year.

:)
Dee

:)
Dee

Thanks!
Dee

I grew KMOGG four years ago and winter sowed it and it germinated just fine. It definitely must need the cold stratification to germinate. Just be careful where you put it as it was very self-sowing, almost to the point of being obnoxious in my garden. One other negative is that the leaves are very attractive to japanese beetles if they are a concern in your area.

Have also grown bells of ireland after having visited the country several years ago. They were sowed inside using normal conditions and they germinated without an issue. Unfortunately, they don't like our hot summers and tend to fade away in the heat like sweet peas.

I found that the Bells of Ireland did best when direct seeded and left to self seed in the same area. The resulting plants seem to be really healthy and happy. Euphorbia is a fave of mine, I grow the Kilimangaro variety and this year am planting some of the perennial types. Lovely stuff, just dont get the sap in your eyes. Big OUCH.

Prairiegirl, I suppose we now have to switch to St. Patricks day colors to stay on topic!:):):) I spent a good portion of the day today thinking of all the yellow flowers that I have coming on. Not such a huge amount, I was quite surprised as I did not count yellow/orange in the mix.

Does the color yellow make you feel more hopeful? Or reassured? I admit to it making me smile, I absolutely love yellow flowers, mind you I love any color flower, LOL. I suppose in this time of unrest and instability 'they' (whomever they might be) decided that School Bus Yellow was the color to make us all feel better. Does it? Chime in y'all. Kat

Just too darn long to type out every time, lol!

:)
Dee

I also like yellow in the garden and in bouquets, I've already mentioned that soft yellow is a favorite of mine. I've never thought about why I like it - perhaps it does make me feel happier? I know in the dead of winter I'm always tempted to buy a big blooming pot of yellow mums. And I usually do :)

Of course, Kat, our zones are a world apart, and I had very little trouble with the orientals in pots. A few years back I also had a bunch of Trumpet lilies in pots and they also grew very well. I sold those lilies for $8 a pot which was probably not enough considering how quickly I sold out. But in the supermarkets you could get 2 stems of potted stargazers for about $12 so that's how I came up with my price.

Prairiegirl, first of all congrats on your new position - good for you! Second, no, I don't have a pattern or recipe - just too many random thoughts and plans, and every once in a while I try and capture one and do something about it, LOL. Every year - and I'm not at this game long - is a learning experience - this grows, that doesn't, bugs ate this, not enough water on that...I'll probably find the perfect frost tolerant pink and - you know, Murphy's Law - the snaps mix won't have any soft yellow this year or some other 'how can you plan for that' issue.

Your link reminded me of a paper I had to write, on the psychology of color! I went rooting in my old files. My color was orange, and stated that orange "embodies the physical stimulation of red, as well as the mental invigoration of yellow". Maybe that's why babies cry so much in yellow rooms, they are being over-stimulated, when they just want to relax. Curiously, although we exchanged papers, I have one from other students on every other color, no yellow.

BUT my girlfriend and I were remarking recently, and I just remembered this thinman, that there are an awful lot of taxicab yellow cars now. In fact, my daughter, my BIL (who lives down the street) and my next-door neighbor all have one, so I see them around a lot. We joked that "yellow is the new red"!

I feel we dismissed this idea out of hand. I wonder if the 'color of the year' is so that the car industry can unload all of those yellow cars??

Back to the question, which came first the chicken or the egg? By growing a previously unusual color (say lime green), do growers drive demand? I say Of course! since they are influenced by fashion and what's available as much as the next guy. I don't think you have to be a slave to fashion, but I do think you should be aware of the trends.

:)
Dee

It is the depths of winter here in the Great Lakes Region of the country. We don't see much of the sun during this period; therefore, I thought I would share some of our market bouquets to brighten our day. As you can see, we are not afraid to mix colors that might be otherwise be considered antagonistic.

Specialty Bouquet for customer
who brings vase to market every
week during the season:

Bouquets at the Market

At the Market
Our Banner Hangs
in the Background

Whimsical Bouquets

Close Up of
Bucket of Bouquets

Gold Fish Bowl of Dahlias

More Whimsy

Sunflower Bouquets in Autumn

Bright Sunflower Bouquet

Dahlia Bouquets

More Dahlias

Bouquets in Tubs at Market

Here's Your
School Bus Yellow
Tinted Aster Solidago

Thank you so much for a bright touch on a cold winter day. Your bouquets are beautiful. I love whimsical and you have done a great job.

Teresa

pudge it was you who congratulated me, thanks! I hope I can do it, I'm feeling like an old lady with all this snow.

Makes me wish summer were here!
:)
Dee

Marketing is visual. Percentage wise probably in the high 90s. Our market bouquets have always been bright and whimsical; therefore, I doubt we'll be changing that much in the color spectrum. This is our market niche. We're always evolving as growers; and, we have a lot of competition at market which keeps us on our toes. That is actually a good thing. In the past, I posted frequently on the Cutting Garden during the "off season" which kept me focused. Writing about my passion of growing flowers for market was more helpful to me than I realized at the time.

It is the depths of winter here in the Great Lakes Region of the country. We don't see much of the sun during this period; therefore, I thought I would share some of our market bouquets to brighten our day. As you can see, we are not afraid to mix colors that might be otherwise be considered antagonistic.

Bouquet of Dahlias (Fresco)

Dahlias in Goldfish Bowl (Fresco)

Wedding Bouquet (Fresco)

Bright Sunflower Bouquet

Dahlia Bouquets at Market (Fresco)

Dahlia Bouquets Displayed in Old Boxes (Fresco)

Bright Bouquets Ready for Market

Sunflower Bouquets in Autumn

Bucket of Whimsical Dahlias for Market

Bouquets on Display at Market

Close Up of Whimsical Bouquet

Whimsical Bouquets Getting Ready for Market

At the Market Display (Fresco)

Whimsical Bouquet

Buckets of Bouquets

Whimsical Bouquet

Customer Who Brings Vase to Market Each
Week to Have Specialty Arrangement Made

A little off-topic from color, but two quick questions. Do you sell those bouquets in the glass vases *with* the vase? And where did you get your buckets from? Those are great. I find most buckets to be too tall for my bouquets, and if I can find something shorter, it's either not aesthetically/visually pleasing, is *too* short, not water-proof, etc. I'd love some of those little red buckets!

Ooh, I said "red". Does that keep me on topic, lol?

Thanks!
:)
Dee

I think I'm going to add dusty miller to my list this year for foliages.

Wendy

Such as this lovely lily which is called Golden Tycoon. Pretty. Yes?

And, we do sell many bunches of sunflowers at one of our Saturday market. We also use a lot of small sunflowers in our summer and autumn bouquets. Note the bright colored, striped floral sleeves.

Speaking of bright. Sunflowers and Crocosmia.

We've always used a lot of tansy in our bouquets. Sometimes it gets wild and crazy on us. NEVER plant this stuff in your garden. You will regret that FOREVER. Trust me on that little tidbit. We have it planted way out in the field where it can do it's own thing; and, the deer can come and make their nests. Whatever. You cannot kill this plant. EVER. Consider yourself forewarned. Oh, and since we've been discussing KMOTGG, if you look really close, you can see some in these bouquets. We have to strip the leaves because the Japanese beetles love, love, love the leaves.

And, of course, we must mention the dahlia. We love this dahlia. It is called 'Christopher,' and we use it often in our bouquets. It is used with ageratum and 'Green Mist' in this bouquet.

The leaves on this Aster Solidago have been dyed burgundy. It is a very nice look in autumn bouquets. And, of course, keeping with the bright yellow theme.

And, speaking of KMOTGG once again, it is featured in this bouquet with dahlias and lisianthus

Line up of our dahlia bouquets at market in bright, shiny vases. These vases are inexpensive. And, yes, we do sell them to customers. They aren't included with a bouquet purchase. However, many times customers are taking bouquets to someone in the hospital; or, just as a gift. One of our markets is in South Haven, a resort community. We do sell more vases at this market since many people are staying for a week or two at a cottage.

The filler in the whimsical bouquet is called Agrostemma.
I think that may have been what you were asking about prairiegirl5?

Otherwise, the foliage in these bouquets is called Seeded Willow Eucalyptus.
The rust colored tubs were purchased at a small department
store here in our small town. Originally, they had a pumpkin
face painted on them. I sprayed over the face with a similar
colored spray paint giving a sort of rustic look.
Unfortunately, they are not leak proof. So, we have to use
our small painted enamel inside the tubs. Four in a tub.
I have seen these tubs at Target in bright colors.

These are some of the bright colored buckets we use
early in the season when some of our dahlia flower
stems are too short for our other buckets.
They are sandbuckets; and, we bought them
last season at a dollar store.

Slightly off topic from yellow; however, is this not the most gorgeous lily? Yes. It is. It's called 'Rubina.'

I love, love, love those vases! I'm always keeping my eye out for something that's nice but inexpensive, (dollar stores, thrift stores, etc.) but you seem to have much better luck in this area than I do. I suppose you got those vases from a local source, and not on-line?

Ah, where is spring? Can't come too early for me!
:)
Dee

As usual, I have a question - did you tint the leaves on the Solidago yourself? Can you tell me how you do it? It is a nice look, I saw some of those at a florist one time.
Kirk

Thanks Trish for that info, and for all the great pics. I really like the striped floral sleeves. And your flag bunting looks like something I wanted to get last summer. We have a great wholesale supply house for vases, you need to buy in bulk and watch that you're not buying nesting container sizes.

But, this is what I missed so much when I had "chemo-brain." I really missed the Cutting Garden.

Dee, the vases are from a floral supply house. There are so many around here. These vases are actually plastic. The vases are 8 1/2" in height, and 6" in diameter. I think we paid $1.50 for them. They don't need to be purchased in bulk. They come 24 to a case. And, keeping with the "yellow" theme, there are yellow dahlias in the bouquets!

The upside to the vases is they are lightweight. We put 11 vases in a bulb crate, and transport to market. We try to have 100 bouquets made for market. The emphasis being on "try." (And, still featuring "yellow.")

The downside is that customers pick up the vases sometimes and hand them to us. The rim around the top cracks. Another problem we had this last season is the help we had at market for reasons beyond my control would not trim the bottoms evenly on the bouquets. Thus, we had very tall bouquets toppling over and crashing to the ground. More times than I want to think about. However, yes, the vases are very pretty.

Our granddaughters came early in the season to help. They have been making bouquets since they were tots; therefore, they are able to make beautiful bouquets. They, however, had to go back home in late July :(

Dee, I do have a fetish for vases. I love all vases. And, those little glass bottle types featured on John Henry Online are calling my name. We have used little blue glass bottles for tiny bouquets. And, sell these complete with the bottle.

We also like to use European enamel buckets for blooms sold as single stem.

Wendy, speaking of yellows, peaches, oranges.....

Oh, and pinks and yellows......

This is an autumn bouquet...

Thank you for mentioning the bunting, Prairiegirl. I found it on eBay. It's tea-dyed cotton; and, I was going to tea-dye sheets to match. Evidently, as you can see, that did not happen last season.

Kirk, The Aster Solidago is dyed with a product called Absorbit Dye from Design Master. It is available in holiday red, deep blue, ice blue, teal blue, burgundy, larkspur blue, lavender, yellow, perfect pink, purple, holiday green, and orange!! Fun stuff to work with. Helpful hint: Wear rubber gloves or your hands will also be permanently dyed as well!

One final photo -- just because I loved Canterbury Bells...

Hope that answers all the questions.

Regarding my ongoing battle with cancer, I keep telling myself that lots of things in life are uncertain, but they usually work out fine. I tell myself to trust that things will always get better because they usually do!

Trish

I hear you on the top-heavy bouquets. We had one extremely windy day at market last year and I had several top-heavy bouquets go over. What a mess.

I too have a thing for vases. And I especially have a thing for blue glass - love those bottles! I also like to use other containers, such as pitchers or small watering cans, buckets, and other assorted pottery pieces. I find them at thrift stores often, but it's amazing how the customers want them but won't even pay the same price I paid for them at the thrift store! Okay by me - I just re-use them next week for a nice-looking display!

Your lisianthus are just beautiful!!! The purple/blue with the lighter purple/lavender dahlias are absolutely gorgeous!

Sigh. Sitting here drooling over these beautiful flowers while awaiting yet another snowstorm....

:)
Dee
P.S. Trish, glad to hear things are going well so far for you. Best wishes to you.

I'm a survivor, I was one of the first to survive through chemo & surgery in 1974. I have a sign in my kitchen that says "Pray Hard * Work Hard * Trust God". Maybe you can relate to that one! I feel that's about all you can do.

School was closed today because temps were so low here in the Chicago area. I want spring to get here so bad. Thanks again for all the summer flower pics!! :)

Prairiegirl5, you are just across the lake from us. Please stop sending us your weather. Thank you, however, for the message of hope. And, 1974. Wow. I am encouraged.

BTW Did someone mention that vases should not nest? Or, did I imagine that? I have some little vases from Ikea that are 4" tall, and perfect for small arrangements. Many colors. They were one dollar each. We're hoping to sell alot of them vase and all at our market in the resort community. The colors remind us of the beach. So, thinking cottage type bouquets. Ikea is a good source for inexpensive vases.

These vases are ceramic, and they nest -- as in stack.

And, those plastic vases of ours serve double duty. In late fall we use them upside down as mannequin heads for our knitted hats. I know. I am totally right-brain. Oh, and staying totally on post regarding color. One of the hats is school bus yellow!

:)
Dee

I'm also the one that said to watch that you're not buying nesting containers, when that's not what you wanted, but not that they're a bad thing per se. It's great if you can use them! And after seeing those hats on the vase "heads" I'm sure you would think of something! ROFL