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Posted by intimidator_3 7a TN (My Page) on Wed, Jan 24, 07 at 10:58
| Does anyone know anything about this flower? I have found it all over the internet, but Tinkers has no listing of it. Most places that have listed a hybridizer have Heemskerk listed, but I have also seen Verhaert.
Doug |
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RE: eleonore
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| Thiu was originally a Verhaert seedling listed on his website for at least two years I know of. It is named after a famous Dutch gardener. Now I don't know if it was ever registered. It tends to fade during the day to a creamy coloring,[from what I've heard], perhaps this is why it is now being tissue cultured by Darwin plants, Heemskerk and others. Both my sister and I and two fellow gardeners bought it at three different gardening locations here in 2006 in Nova Scotia...all four bloomed exactly the same..I saw them in bloom...everyone was a very excellent Tissue Culture of Blueberry Sundae.....ya, that one.....the Stamile....I couldn't believe my eyes when it bloomed because if I haden't know better I would not have realized it was a TC...now, what I would do is try to see Eleonore bloom first....it is lovely in the pictures...hope this helps |
RE: eleonore
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| So this is an unregistered seedling that has found its way into the marketplace? It is a nice looking flower(partial to bi-tones), but if it isnt registered how would parentage be listed on any of its offspring. Been sitting on the computer researching european growers most of the morning. I cant remember exactly how I got to this flower, but it cought my eye. |
RE: eleonore
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| Why is the parentage relative to it finding its way into the marketplace? Do you realize that the general public doesn't care about parentage or registration? Are you aware that there are multiple registrations that have simply been re-named and are now in the marketplace? |
RE: eleonore
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| Doug, Eleonore is still listed in his seedlings at www.eurocallis.com....but maybe it is registered in Europe? I'm thinking of plants like McBeth and Sixth Sense...not listed here last year but offered for sale. This year they are registered here but arn't they Heemskerk's plants?-Heemskerk Van Planten, [boy, I hope I spelled that right], He has a line of tet and dips [some with only numbers] that are not yet available in North America. |
RE: eleonore
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| Thanks for the info bluenose. Always like to learn about hybridizers from other than the U.S. Roberta, I didnt say that parentage had anything to do with a plant finding its way into the marketplace. What I said was "unregistered seedling" which I would think would be a concern for anyone who loves the Daylily. We have a governing body and rules for introduction into said marketplace. I just found it strange that you took a seemingly defensive attitude about that, and yes I know that there are probably alot of plants that have been re-named and sent out into the world. I dont think that these two things are mutually exclusive. Re-naming and unregistered seelings in the marketplace are both things that AHS members should try to fight against. Also, I realize that the "general public" doesnt care about lineage or registration. I have hundreds of plants that I grow in my garden that arent Daylilies. I dont even know or care if there is a governing body for those plants, but it SHOULD matter to those that are interested in hybridizing those plants. If these things arent important, why do we have AHS? Sorry if I seem to be griping, but it seemed like your response was to "jump down my throat" |
RE: eleonore
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| Does anyone know if this is a Tet or a Dip? Everywhere I find it listed says that its a Tet, but the photo of it on Eurocallis lists Diploid parents. Bluenose, Im pretty certain that a plant cant just be registered in Europe and not everywhere else. The AHS is the only official registration that is recognized in the Daylily world. Doug |
eleonore
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| Hello, Eleonore is a dip seedling of ours which has not been registered yet. The cross = SABRA SALINA X GARDEN STAR (another tentatively named seedling of ours which can be seen on our seedling page - a cross of CHARLIE PIERCE MEMORIAL and ROMANTIC ROSE = another seedling of ours which involved SILOAM FRENCH DOLL) ELEONORE starts the season as more of a pink flower but after 2 weeks or so flowers petals take on a light mauve colour while sepals are much lighter, almost cream ELEONORE was named after Mrs Eleonore de Koning (Holland) a good friend of mine. CNB of Lisse/Holland are the only ones that officially tissue culture ELEONORE for us. However CNB informed us some time ago that their lab somehow or other mixed up things and ELEONORE did not come out true from the lab. So ... normally there are no true ELEONORE for sale ... YET Mr Heemskerk never got a piece of ELEONORE from us to work with. If they offer ELEONORE the conclusion is obvious ... ELEONORE is an EM and blooms for around 6 weeks. Good grower, knee high with flowers 5.5 cm across Will be glad to answer all your questions Our all new web site = at http://www.eurocallis.com Tried to insert pictures in this message but don't know how Can anyone help ??? Francois Verhaert
Belgium |
RE: eleonore
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| Welcome, Mr. Verhaert! Your website is marvelous! Your seedlings are very exciting! I was disappointed to see virtually no daylilies last year at the Chelsea Flower Show...perhaps you will change that one of these days?! I am not particularly adept on the computer, but will try to post the info for pictures: < img src=" the url of your pic goes here between the quote marks"> (no spaces) Thanks for stopping by! |
RE: eleonore
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| I just found your daylily, I think, on Wayside Gardens! |
Here is a link that might be useful: Wayside Gardens
RE: eleonore
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| Thank you Mr Verhaert for your reply. I tend to do alot of web surfing about my favorite flower, and when I come upon something that I havent heard of before, or something that catches my eye, I tend to investigate it as much as possible. The fact that the flower is not yet for sale by you is all that I really needed to know. Im not interested in buying a flower that has been released into the market without the hybridizers knowledge(you say Mr Heemskerk never got a piece of ELEONORE from you) and is more than likely a tissue culture anyway. I have found this flower listed for sale I believe at five different places in the U.S. most all say that the plant is a Tet and some say that the hybridizer is Heemskerk. That being said though, I do like the flower quite a bit(as well as your other seedlings, I visit your site quite a bit)
and look forward to knowing when and if it will be available for sale from you. Doug |
RE: eleonore
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| Hello All, 
and one of GARDEN STAR, the father of ELEONORE 
As I tried to explain earlier today there simply cannot be a "true-to-the-original" tissue cultured ELEONORE in commerce as CNB are building up stock and no one else got this plant from me. Francois Verhaert
Belgium
http://www.eurocallis.com |
RE: eleonore
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| There are both very beautiful.. You have a great website...and many beautiful seedlings. cheers, lloyd |
RE: eleonore
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Yet another example of a "Rip Off"......
Read this entire thread...above and then read the "Add"
What do you guy's think??? Eleonore........ http://cgi.ebay.com/DAYLILY-ELEONORE-A-Real-Stunner-DRAMATIC-COLORS_W0QQitemZ330091387189QQihZ014QQcategoryZ75612QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
RE: eleonore
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| Wow, this whole thing really angers me! It's hard to know whom to trust. But, at least we have this forum so people who care can find out. Isn't there something that can be done by Mr. Verhaert to stop this rip-off from going on? By the way, Mr. Verhaert, Garden Star is stunning! |
Verhaert
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| I just ran across a daylily on the LA that was named "Francois Verhaert" - did you know the Stamiles? |
RE: eleonore ...On eBay
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| Everybody seems to be getting in on the act....it's sad to see this going on in the Daylily World......a shame.. http://cgi.ebay.com/Eleonore-Daylily-Hemerocallis-NEW-Potted_W0QQitemZ200083385610QQihZ010QQcategoryZ75612QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem I guess it proves that old saying..."a Picture is worth a thousand words"........and some bucks too. |
RE: eleonore
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| I have to be honest. I love the this flower, I think its gorgeous. But there is absolutely no way I would ever consider buying this plant from anyone other than Mr Verhaert, or anyone else who lists it in the future, assuming that it becomes registered and intro'd by the "hybridizer". It blows my mind that this plant has basically gotten around the world in the marketplace, and yet the hybridizer has never registered it or introed it. That would really "P" me off big ime...........wouldnt it you? Something that I also find hard to believe is the fact that there are this many people out there that seemingly couldnt give a rats behind about whether this plant should even be in the market. Its all about the $$$$$$$$$$$. From all that I can gather this was never Francois' intention for his "seedling" Doug |
RE: eleonore
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| I just wondered if Mr. Verhaert had contacted Wayside, for instance, to inquire what they are selling and where they got it. That was my reason for posting the link. It's interesting that they're even calling it by his name. I understood that whatever it is that places are selling is not authorized...I'd just be curious how it all came about, at least. I mean, I'm trying to be careful here...but, I'm wondering did some slip out, albeit an inferior tissue culture/lab thing? I hope not! If no one else has it, where did these "not Eleonores" come from. Who knows. I guess the lesson is to be careful where you let your seedlings go! It seems a shame that others are profiting, from the name at least, before he has even had a chance to initially offer it. Of course, maybe what he is telling us is that he has entered into a partnership and so does feel compensated? I'm getting myself all tangled up here! I mean, once you start selling it...there it goes, right? This would be a good article for The Daylily Journal... It certainly is a beautiful daylily! |
RE: eleonore
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| Doug, just a follow-up. Heemskirk no longer has Eleonore listed on his website. I thought this was interesting and a good move. After all Heemskirk has plenty of his own daylilies to offer. MacBeth springs to mind....and Sixth Sense....I agree Eleonore is beautiful....cheers, lloyd |
RE: eleonore
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Trying to sort this all out makes my head hurt! And it's got me a bit confused, but then, what else is new.....I usually am!! What I have learned from all this is, I will not be buying a daylily called Eleonore until it's offered by it's real owner..... but who is it's real owner....geeez, I think I'll just go back to bed! :o)
Jan |
RE: eleonore
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| Wow am I confused. I bought (2) eleonore's from our local nursary a few weeks ago. Never had a daylily before, never thought about buying them, know nothing about them. They've been growing great, and today the first bloom opened. It is entirely peach colored...nothing like what is pictured above or what came on the plant indentifier. Now I find out not only did my plant not turn out to be what I payed for, it was immoral of me to buy it in the first place!! ;) |
RE: eleonore
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| This sure is interesting... I imported this plant a year and a half ago and this is what bloomed: 
So if this plant has never been sold or propagated, what is this, and if it is Eleonore, how did I get this? It was also listed as being PPAF, so who is getting the royalty payments on the patent? I'm very confused... |
RE: eleonore
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| So is the plant being sold by Wayside the real thing or not? |
Here is a link that might be useful: Eleonore
RE: eleonore
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| I find this new discussion about Eleonore to be very interesting. I bought the plant from Wayside Gardens. I knew that it was probably a tissue culture but I was so curious that I did it anyway. Well, my plant bloomed---it is beautiful---it doesn't look like the one in Wayside's catalog except for the nice
lavender. I have a nice picture of my flower, BUT I CAN'T
FIND IT. However, I like the flower immensely. I will never show it or give pieces to anyone, it will be strictly mine. If I find the picture, I will post it. I can't even remember what year I got it. Kay |
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