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elderberry poisonous stems?

locust
19 years ago

Hi, I eat elderberries all the time and love them. I had no idea until today that the stems were poisonous. We brewed beer last week and flavored it with elderberry, and there were some of the stems still attached to the berries which we boiled. I think it'll be safe, but would like to hear from someone on the subject.

thanks,

Kevin

Lafayette, CA

Comments (17)

  • maryliz
    19 years ago

    The only way I have ever eaten elderberries was to fritter the flower heads just as the flowers were opening, but from many different sources, I have heard that the "stems" should be carefully removed when making wine, syrup and jelly. Certainly, all the green parts, stems and root are poisonous. According to this herbal, the peduncles and pedicels that subtend the fruit should be discarded. Perhaps these parts are safe when the flowers are just opening, but by the time the fruit is ripe, they have accumulated enough of the toxins to be a problem.

    I have only tasted the fruit, never eaten any quantity, because I read that it should only be eaten after it is cooked. I found a recipehref> for "Elderberry Crunch Bread." I'm gonna hafta try putting elderberries into baked goods!

  • reinbeaux
    19 years ago

    stems and roots contain cyanide. I would have to look in my chem books to see if cyanide is heat stable (I think it is) I don't know how much cyanide they contain --- almonds contain cyanide too and they are generally safe to eat -- I would research it further.

  • hersh67
    19 years ago

    Usually it is the bark from the larger stems that is toxic. I do not know what the toxin is but an old Arkansas woman gave me a recipe for burn ointment using elder inner bark, cooked in milk, strained off and the milk simmered with lard until the milk turns to cracklin's at the bottom. pout off the greenish lard and put in jars for use later.Almonds probably have no cyanogenic compounds, but apricot, peach and apple seeds contain dangerous amounts. It used to be called Vitamin B17 or laitrile, and is a dangerous cyanogenic glucoside. I never got into problims with the few berry stemlets either raw or in wine, either.

  • shellbell3252
    19 years ago

    Hi,im geting ready to plant elderberrys for first time.I have two young kids and we all love fresh juice.But now im confused what part of the plant is ok to juice and eat?And does it have to be cooked? Thanks michelle

  • Robert_in_MT
    19 years ago

    Do a search and you may decide you like currants better. Elderberry can be poisonous to deer in hard winter so I would'nt want my kids eating it raw, juice is very good cooked with sugar and drained through cheese cloth. I have heard of a group of people in CA that died from drinking elderberry tea, it was CA elderberry which is more poisonous. I have a fifty foot hedge of York, Nova, and Adams elderberries (they need to cross-pollenate) and use them like blueberries and blackberries, just add more sugar and COOK them before eating them.
    Hope you find info usefull and check into it and make informed choice.
    Robert

    Here is a link that might be useful: stone fruit

  • Dino_Tsapatsaris
    19 years ago

    Well, the stems are toxic but getting the little stems off the berries is difficult, even if you freeze them. I just eat them anyway.

  • jcsgreenthumb
    19 years ago

    My mom has a great solution for separating the berries from the stems. Freeze the clusters whole for a few hours. The berries are much easier to detach.

    I never get any of mine. The birds stip them clean before I even realize they are ripe!

    Jeanne

  • flora_uk
    18 years ago

    I need to add that I was talking only about Sambucus nigra, the elderberry that is native here, not any of the red berried ones. I wouldn't think that the juice was very pleasant to drink raw even if it were safe. Also they are mostly pip, with very little flesh, so using them as a currant or raisin substitute would be a bit unpleasant to eat I would have thought.

  • jtbwellsville_hotmail_com
    12 years ago

    I am not convinced that anyone on here knows for sure. In researching university extension publications, I see nothing that indicates toxicity. Yet, there are people who claim that a mere taste of raw fruit will immediately lead to convulsive stomach pain.

    Bottom line, I am more willing to trust university extension publications than I am to opinions from people.

  • greenhummer
    12 years ago

    I've been eating raw elderberries for forty plus years with the stems but not any green parts. A tip that I can share.... when trying to remove the berries from the stem is to use a wide tooth comb that works very well and your hands never touches the berries. In Germany, Elderberry flower water is better than lemonade.

  • susan061
    10 years ago

    I love the taste of raw elderberries and eat them right off the sprig. Only the real ripe ones. I don't know why everyone says there is a problem. I actually feel better after eating them. I wouldn't eat them after eating a sweet that would make them taste bad. i also love the taste of wild black cherries. Is there something wrong with me?

  • chervil2
    10 years ago

    It is important to keep in perspective that many food plants contain cyanide. Thankfully, the levels are usually low and a healthy diet can detoxify this chemical. Here is a link to an abstract that is helpful. I really wish the full text was in the public domain since this is an important public health issue.

    Here is a link that might be useful: Food plants containing cyanide

  • skitdora
    8 years ago

    From my research, the black elderberry (Sambucus Nigra) is European and highly edible. The blue elderberry (Sambucus Caerulea) is mildly toxic and should be cooked first, the American Elderberry (Sambucus Canadensis) of York, Nova, and Johns variety grown as edibles can be eaten by some raw but causes reactions with others. The red elderberry (Sambucus Racemosa) is highly poisonous raw. Reportedly, handling with bare hands and touching green stems can make one violently ill with that one. If somebody doesn't know what type of elderberry they have, they should cook it first. The red berried elderberry subspecies is toxic in all parts and forms to humans.

    There is an article on elderberry in eat the weeds or another similar foraging website whose comment section goes on and on with people having varying reactions to elderberry varieties. The people who had an adverse reaction to eating them the first time who go out and eat them yet again seem to have a quicker and stronger negative reaction.

  • Melody Szadkowski
    6 years ago

    Everyone has to make the call, of course, but Stephen Harrod Buhner's "Herbal Antivirals" has a different take on the subject altogether.

  • Francesco Delvillani
    6 years ago

    Berries of Sambucus nigra have to be cooked to be eaten...you can make delicious jam :)

  • Kristy Kuenzi
    3 years ago

    I have a friend that gave me a gallon of Elderberry juice. Her and her mother pick wild elderberries and boiled stems, then strained it it to get the juice. she has made jam and syrup with the juice. I am afraid to use it. i hate to let it go to waste. what should I do.