Two winters ago I ordered some Polemoniums from a TN nursery. They sent me P. van-bruntiae, which I did not know at that point. I potted some up for a local native plant swap, and the auctioneer would not sell them because he said they were not Jacob's ladder! So, I brought them home and planted them. I am not sure if I still have them as there are so many Polemoniums in the area...I am not a neat gardener, and things "just grow" ...or not, as the case may be. Anyway, if I can identify them from the P. reptans when seeds start forming, maybe I can send you some.