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Indoor Sowing & Propagation Part 2
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Posted by crazy_gardener ~Z2b~ AB Canada (My Page) on Sun, Feb 19, 06 at 14:48
| Gil, what species are you sowing? Some Columbines can be difficult to germinate, particularly indoors. I only wintersow Columbines from now on as I have had awesome results with throwing them outside. Same with perennial Alyssums ;)
Here’s what Tom Clothier site recommends...
Aquilegia alpina , buergeriana, canadensis, flabellata, formosa, glandulosa, nevadensis, saximontana, transylvanica, viridiflora, and vulgaris, Sow at Max. 5ºC (41ºF), germination irregular, often several months
Aquilegia atrata , Sow at 18-22ºC (64-71ºF) for 2-4 wks, move to -4 to +4ºC (24-39ºF) for 4-6 wks, move to 5-12ºC (41-53ºF) for germination
Aquilegia bertolonii, caerulea, clematiflora, laramiensis, longissima, rockii, scopulorum, and siberica, Sow at 20ºC (68ºF), germination slow may take several months
Aquilegia chrysantha, , Sow at 20ºC (68ºF), if no germination in 3-4 wks, move to -4 to +4ºC (24-39ºF) for 2-4 wks
Aquilegia olympica , Sow at 20ºC (68ºF), if no germination in 3-4 wks, move to -4 to +4ºC (24-39ºF) indefinitely.
Sierra, what a great idea to start mini-roses this time of the year, I noticed our Extra-Foods still have lots of pots in stock, I guess left-over from Valentines Day.
Hmmm, your Discaria should be up by now???
Sharon
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Today I indoor sowed Veronica pinnata 'Blue Feathers'. Last year I tried WS'ing this one with no luck, so hopefully it will do well indoors this time around ;) |
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| I went and dug out some trays and domes today. Getting ready! |
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| Sharon, I don't know what kind of columbines they are, they were freebies and they just say "Columbine". Perhaps I will chuck the rest outside. Thanks for your gruelling research anyway ;-) |
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| Sharon, Ya I rescued a couple mini roses last year at one of the grocery stores....they needed water so badly and were wilting.....So I looked through them and got the best two....4 in a pot.....one plant in one pot didn't survive....but I ended up with some nice big rose bushes last summer that flowered profusely. So I thought it was worth the effort. The ones I got this year are in much better shape.....I didn't get them because they needed rescuing. LOL. It doesn't look like my "real" mini roses that I have had for a few years.....survived this winter. :-( I forgot to water them in oct/nov....that may have had something to do with it. Or it may be because I cut them back in the fall when I brought them in. Don't know. I had never cut them back in the fall before....I usually do that in the spring. Hmmmm the discaria was planted Feb 6th. I would think it should be showing some signs by now...shouldn't it? I've got jungle gold impatien sprouts this morning. And one more gerbera. Ohhhh and one more cherry petunia......so that will make 5. I hope this 5th one doesn't turn out to be a weed...since it was sooooooo much slower from the other 4. As for starting columbine seed....I found them to be pretty easy.....never had a problem with them. Gillian, it might just be the seed as you say. Marcia....on your mark, get set, GOOOOOOOOOOOO...haha Those seeds will arrive soon enough. You will be glad you waited as long as you don't have anything that has to be started real early like geraniums or such. Sierra |
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| GOOOOOOOOOOO is right! My seeds came today! Before supper even, i sowed: Impatiens wallerina 'Tempo Mix' Impatiens wallerina 'Seaside Mix' Petunia 'Ramblin' Red' Petunia 'O Canada Mix' Petunia Tidal Wave Hot Pink Petunia Tidal Wave Silver Osteospermum 'Passion Mix' - 5 out of 10 seeds because i had five cells left in my seed starting trays. I also bought one of those self-watering seed propagators. It has 40 cells, so i planted 20 of each kind of impatiens in it. Here's the flats i did today:
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| Marcia, I picked up one of those "Propamatic" seed starters a couple of years ago and I love it.....it works great with a heating mat underneath. |
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| I started up some pansies with my DD's. Last year when I did this they all got waaaay overwatered by the over-eager little seed-starters, LOL! OK, so this year I just gave them a spray bottle to work with! I did a few of my own pots of pansies too that are sitting up out of their reach LOL |
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| Good to hear you like that seed starter, Laurie. I was thinking of getting another one next year if this one works okay. I keep checking - no germination yet! LOL |
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| Ooooh I have 5 columbine seedlings!! Guess it just took a little while. I still don't know what kind they are but the picture on the box (not the seed pack, the box they were a freebie in) looks like the mixed colours ones that Echoes posted in the Memories thread. And which I covet LOL. So now I have some of everything except Alyssum. And the seeds I ordered aaaaaagh... still waiting! |
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| As per the info I received in another post here, I sowed 8 little peat pots of Canna seeds about a week ago. Four red and four orange - soaked, scarified and 1 seed to a pot. All the red ones have sprouted, and I'm sooo excited, lol. Now, I just have to keep them alive. Cross your fingers for me. As for the rest of the Canna seeds, I'm going to experiment with WSing them just to see if they can survive. If they do, they'll make a lovely addition to the garden. If they don't, well.... they'll make a lovely addition to the compost heap:) By the way the only info they came with was "Brazilian Canna" and "Orange Canna, tall w/green leaves". If they survive I'll make an attempt to ID them. Cindy |
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| Ok I know we have an ornamental grasses expert on here just can't remember who? Is it Pudge? Anyway I have a question...do you start the ornamental grasses inside early then transplant? If so when? I am thinking about Purple fountain grass..Panicum violaceum and Golden top....Lam arckia aurea Sierra |
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| Sierra, Both don't take long to germinate, last year I sowed Panicum violaceum Panic Grass on April 8th, germ April 12th. Lamarckia aurea Golden Top on April 8th, germ April 10th. Sharon |
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- Posted by pudge 2/3 Sask (My Page) on
Fri, Feb 24, 06 at 9:51
| What Sharon said and just to clarify, an indoor sowing. I'll also add that the Lamarckia stayed really short (maybe 6-8") for me and I wasn't impressed with the plant much at all. As I recall, Sharon had similar results. |
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| Thanks Sharon and Pudge......I think I will try these in mixed containers......6 to 8 inches is good to know...it can be put on the side of container towards the front....then if it desided to get taller it won't matter but will plan for the short size. Any other recommendations for grasses for in large containers? Sierra |
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- Posted by pudge 2/3 Sask (My Page) on
Fri, Feb 24, 06 at 13:02
| Sierra, Setaria italica is a nice tall grass(I'd count on 3', even in a large container), millet type, tall and skinny so it would give height without adding bulk at the bottom. The blades are about an inch wide, sort of resembling a petite corn stalk. The seed head is big, some of mine have been up to 8", droops (or curves) gracefully and will provide some bird food if you choose to leave it in the pot. I've never seen anyone else grow it, and always get questions/comments when I include them in dry arrangements. |
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| No question who is the grass expert here LOL. I just remembered, the other thing that was a complete no-show in my indoor sowings was the gaillardia seed I collected last fall. Maybe it wasn't ripe. Oh well. I was out today and found a similar looking one called "Torchlight" which I will try again with, and also picked up some red Salvia and a gorgeous Bachelor's Buttons mix called "Frosted Queen". Apparently I'm supposed to direct sow BBs... so off to plant the other 2! Anyone else finding their indoor sown Venedium is growing really fast? Yikes! Oh yeah and to hopefully avert disaster with my nasturtiums, I peeled off all their little peat pots, and planted them all together in a big hanging pot, where they will remain. They don't seem to have noticed that they got moved and have been growing steadily. Although they are taking up rather a lot of room under my lights. |
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| Gil, yes, Venidium is a fast sprouter! I WS'd them last year and they even kept sprouting during a cold snap we had. I can see that my ("our" LOL) pansies are starting to sprout already! I'm thinking that that is really fast too. I remember having so much trouble with them last year and had very slow germination and very few sprouts. Hmmmm... I wonder if keeping the seed in the fridge has helped? This is left overs from the same package! I am totally floored! |
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| Ang, fast sprouting has to be a good thing when you've got little girls spraying and waiting! LOL. Kids gardening are so cute. Way cuter than when my dogs garden (grrrrr...) I didn't actually mean my Venedium sprouted fast (although it did), I meant it's growing fast! It has big ole furry leaves already! |
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| ooops, yes you did say "growing fast" -- I should learn to read! LOL I wonder if you'd get away with planting your venidium out earlier then other annuals. They are quite hardy. Maybe someone would know? Just wait till my kids come home and see the little sprouts! I do love watching the girls out gardening! They are such a hoot. |
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| I started two flats of various seeds about three weeks ago. I was so excited to see my little babies coming up. Then my Hubby decided to 'help' me one evening, by removing the dome to let my little darlings get some 'fresh air'...unfortunately he forgot to tell me, and he also forgot to replace the dome, and by the morning all my little dears were dried out and...well...rather dead... :P All I have left is one lonely Heavenly Blue morning glory...which seems to be stunted...back to the drawing board I guess. I do have a question though, when my little ones sprouted, they got very tall very fast, and started falling over before they ever got their first set of real leaves...is there anything I can do to prevent this? Verena |
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| Welcome to the FN forum Verena, sounds like your seedlings are stretching, its best to leave your lights on for 12-16 hours but most importantly make sure you position so that your seedlings are 2-4" from the lights. Too far away they will stretch, become leggy and flop over. Way too early to start Morning Glories; wait to sow indoors around the first week of May for a June planting. It's still early gals, its not even March yet, some of you are starting some of your seeds way tooooooo early, read the instructions on the packages, that’s what its there for ;) Sharon |
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| Yeah, i thought i was leaving some of my stuff for later, but going over my notes from last year, i find that i've started my impatiens and petunias two whole days later than last year. It's okay for them, though, because i want to be able to take lots of cuttings. I think i mentioned that i had thrown in a few of the osteo seeds because there were extra cells left in one flat. Two out of five had germinated yesterday! I'm hoping to start some pansies this weekend. Yes, Verena - too early to start morning glories now. It's hard to resist temptation, isn't it? :) And you'll have to give your dh a little workshop in seed starting! LOL |
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Thanks for the tips. I'll have to rig up some better lighting...time to get out the saw, I think. I was trying to rely on natural light, but there's not much of that in an east facing window, especially this time of year. As for the morning glory...I just couldn't fight it...kind of like the 50+ tulips I have coming up inside right now. My thumb gets itchy and then there's just no stoping it! ;) (That and my father-in-law makes the most gorgeous hanging baskets with morning glories, but I think I'll need to start mine indoors fairly early to get the same result, because he's in zone 5b.) My poor Hubby...I give him such a hard time...He may have killed my little babies, but he likes gardening too, and is always happy to build me things and buy me plants, so I guess I can't complain too loud. ;) I can hardly wait until next year, and then I'll be trying to get our little guy into it (he's 10 months old, so a little young this year.) Verena |
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| I just took all of my seeds, on Thursday, and transferred my catalogue spreadsheet into another spreadsheet with a chronological starting date on it. What a nice system for me. As I plant something up, I can cross it off and keep going through my sheets until I'm finished. Keeps everything into a proper starting time and I've got my seeding scheduled until the first of May. It wasn't hard to do and keeps a wonderful record for next year. I used a journal last year and found it a) hard to keep up and b) difficult to watch for my chronology of starting times. Totally agreeing with you, Sharon, from my experiences last year. I really don't want to get caught trying to hold them until I can get them into the ground. It was sooo frustrating last year and very heartbreaking when I lost plants that I had been giving so much TLC for 2 or 3 months. That's not to say I haven't got anything started yet. Or haven't made any mistakes this year, also. I wanted to start my cape gooseberries a couple of weeks earlier. I thought I had started them in March last year. After I did my spreadsheet and compared my last year start date, I realized I was three days later. : ( So now, I'm hoping for a two week earlier plant out date or I'll be putting them out with a row cover on during the day and blankets on at night. They didn't ripen last year so this year I need to do a bit of adjustment somehow. So far the cinnamon seems to be working in fending off the damp-off, too. I've got the Damp-off ready, just in case, though. lol Shauna |
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| I never would have planted stuff if I knew it was too early - I just thought it seemed like everyone else was doing theirs... Oh well, I'm still learning. My basement is very cool (<16*) so hopefully that might slow stuff down a little. And I have lots of room to transplant. I found some transplant fertilizer yesterday - couldn't find 10-10-10 but this was 10-12-10 so should be similar. I'm guessing I should hold off fertilizing if I don't want the seedlings to go crazy... |
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| Wow - so far, there's almost 100% germination in the impatiens and petunias that i planted on Monday! Today i found some seeds for some petunias, "Easy Wave Blue". I had "Easy Wave Red" last year, and they were easy - and pretty! Looks like these might be destined for that Lee Valley container. :) |
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| Well some things need to be planted early some things don't. As Sharon said read the packages....I also use the Stokes catalog.....if there is conflicting info between the seed packet and Stokes.....I usually go with Stokes. It seems to work for me. Veseys also sends out an info booklet with your order...that tells you how to sow or plant, whether the seeds need light or to be covered and so on. If in doubt I ask here..... Things like impatiens, petunias, and pansy's I start really early.....the faster growing things I start much later and things like cosmos, nasturtiums I sow right outside in spring. I have found with sweet peas that if I just plant outside they will pass the ones that I start inside and transplant. I have also found that tall snaps have to be planted early or they don't have much time to flower here. This may not be the case everywhere. Have some petunia seeds, that a friend sent to me that she collected from her garden last year...that I have to plant today. I already have two kinds going. The discaria has been dumped....not a single sprout and don't have room for plants that aren't going to co-operate. It must have dampened off.....or something. The Datura that I started is growing like crazy...will have to be re-potted to a 4 inch pot soon..I already transplanted it into a 2 1/2 inch pot....so my guess is started way to early.....but still have 6 seeds to start some later as well. Lots of other sprouts of slow growing things.......transplanting into cell packs, pots and trays will start here in about 2 weeks...then more seeds will be started in those empty bowls. We all make mistakes and we all have flops each year...that is how we learn. Don't let it discourage you..just try again next year. NS...your transplant fertalizer will be fine....start out at 1/4 to 1/2 strength.....but only when you want your plants to take off.....and remember don't fertalize the nasturtiums. Sierra |
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| Thanks for the heads up on tall snapdragons Sierra, I have some to plant so I will do them now. I also bought some red salvia, is it too soon for salvia? |
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| I have already sowed some red annual salvia. These need light to germinate....so don't cover seed with soil.....They are kind of funny the seed swells and well again looks like bugs haha. Then shortly after they actually sprout. It depends when you want the flowering to start.....You could also wait another couple of weeks, does the package say 8 weeks before your last frost?. My snaps bowl looks like grass sprouts right now LOL....I guess I sowed more seed than what I thought. LOL! I certainly won't be keeping this many. Sierra |
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| Today i sowed: Pansy Rhapsody Mix Pansy Snow Mix Osteospermum Passion Mix Osteospermum Giant Mix (left over from the seeds Shauna sent me last year - thanks!) Petunia Easy Wave Blue (the seeds were pelleted but looked as if they'd been crushed - not happy about that!) Lobelia Fan Scarlet Nicotiana Pink Mix Nicotiana Red Nicotiana Sylvestris (left over from Jan's seeds) Clematis Ligustifolia Calceolaria Sunset Red Oh? Was i supposed to take out something for supper? Sorry about that! :> |
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| Here's what I indoor sowed today.... Dalea purpurea Purple Prairie Clover (I'll be WS'ing some later on too) Meconopsis sheldonii (second batch, thanks Ian) Schizachyrium scoparium Little Bluestem (thanks Susan) Melica ciliata (thanks Rick) Marcia, were having left-over pizza from last night ;) Sharon |
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| I started 20 of each colour of the Ramblin' Series. All went well but the peach glo and neon rose. I Also have some Vodo sedum and Anagalis just seeded on last night. I've got a box of seeds to start in March once I'm back at the greenhouse. I'm still waiting for my order from Lindberg's, i hope it gets here this week so I can start the viola. |
questions about indoor starts
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- Posted by mcav0y z3/4 Anchorage (My Page) on
Mon, Feb 27, 06 at 0:35
1) is it worth starting seeds indoors if I don't have grow lights? I started indoors last year, and put my seedlings (after they germinated) in front of the southern window. They seemed to do ok (we are getting 10 hr of light now). However, I have been reading that it isn't even worth starting early if you don't have grow lights. Any opinions on that? 2) Growing pansies. I just planted some seeds. It says keep dark and cover with black plastic. What about ventilation? I am thinking that they are ok not well ventilated until they start sprouting, but it seems odd to keep them so confined. 3) Lobelia- this is more for later in the year. But the seeds are so miniscule, that I sprinkled them over my pots. Last year, when I did that, I got a chia-head like mass growth. Once they sprout, do you thin them? or plant the chia-mass as one? Thanks!!! Kim |
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| Hi Kim, Question 1.....If it worked for you....keep doing it. What happens if plants don't get enough light is that they will get leggy and flop over and just generally don't look that good. However...your particular window just might be right for what you started last year....so if it worked, don't let anyone tell you it doesn't. BTW by the time spring arrives...my window sills are full.....not with seedlings but with pots that are planted with lilies that I bought very early or other bulbs and plants, that I don't have room for under the lights. Question 2. Yes keep pansys in dark till they sprout. I start mine in a Wendy's salad bowl...with the lid on and put a black garbage bag around that. Checking every day for sprouts.....once they start to sprout...I remove the garbage bag and the lid....and place to the side of the light....then once a good number of sprouts appear, the bowl is placed under lights as well. When sowing the seeds make sure your soilless mix is damp but not wet....and you shouldn't have a problem. If the soil is to wet then you may have a problem with damp off. Question 3. I started two kinds of lobilia yesterday. Yes the seeds are very tiny. Again, I start them in a Wendy's salad bowl....usually 1500 seeds to a pack....so I spread them out into two bowls.....once they get large enough to transplant into cell packs......I transplant little clumps of 5 to 10 seedlings...occassionally a few more in the clump...it doesn't have to be percise. Once transplanted they seem to take off faster for me...so I take the scissors and trim them back once they get ohhhhhh about 6 inches tall or so......and some years I do this twice depending on how fast they grow that year. This just makes the plants more bushy but will slow down flower production...but once they start blooming they are full of flowers. Hope this helps! Happy Gardening, Sierra |
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| Kim, my pansy seeds are not covered at all and even have seeds sitting on top of the soil and they are sprouting! I have a book that recommends covering them with a layer of newspaper. That actually would make more sense because the newspaper will absorb the condensation. Ang |
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| I always buy my lobilia as pelleted seeds, much easier to work with. Stokes has a wide selection of pellets. |
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- Posted by mcav0y z3/4 Anchorage (My Page) on
Mon, Feb 27, 06 at 18:26
| well great, now I have to go to Wendy's and get a bunch of salads. hahahha... I think I have a few old whipped cream containers around here. Thanks for the info all! Kim |
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| I've never started pansies before and my packs said nothing about keeping them in the dark. But i just did them yesterday, so no harm done. I'll just cover the flat with another flat - hope that works. |
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| Hey Sierra when you plant snaps do you freeze them first? The pack said to freeze for 48 hours then plant... but of course I read it after I already planted. I guess I could still freeze the trays, but the seeds were in the car for a few hours at -25. Should I just see if they come up? Oh yeah and I have sprouts in my bugs... I mean salvia... and gaillardia. Joy! |
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| Kim....Hey.....salads are good for you. LOL!!! Marcia...that should work. I use the stokes catalogue for germination information....even if its a different brand of seed. You may find that stokes info may differ from what it says on the pack...I always go with the stokes catalogue info, and it has worked for years. NS...Yes I freeze the snaps for 48 hours or until I remember them LOL.I just put the pack in the freezer. I think the snaps will still sprout, even if you don't freeze them. It will just take them longer. I have never tried putting the sowed seeds in the freezer. OH OHHHH what I did was leave my two kinds of lobelia in the car over night....remembered them the next morning....I asked the guy at the nursery here if they would still sprout and he said ya...plant them up...so thats what I did....if they don't sprout, I'll still have time to start more seed. eeeeeeeeee I have sprouting bugs and gailardia too. Yesterday I started more petunias....so now I have a total of 4 kinds of petunias....LOL....and this after saying I was cutting back on petunias this year. I also started gazania and schizanthus, yesterday. Both of these need dark to germinate....I also have salpiglosis in the dark...hee hee under a black garbage bag. Oh I just want to mention that I don't start the whole pack of each kind of seed.....I just start a few of each, so there is lots of variety when its time to plant up the planters. Usually sow more than what I plan on transplanting into packs or pots just to be sure I get enough...but still some get tossed out. The seeds I use next year again and sometimes for a few years, depending on how many in the pack. The packs are dated so I know which year they were purchased in. Sierra |
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| Hi,crazy gardener. I sowed my Glauca seeds as promised, but no sign of germination yet. I'll keep you posted. Rick, I thought about putting them on the floor originally. The top of the freezer is about 16 degrees C at night. I'm guessing the floor would be a few degrees colder than that. I thought that would be too cool, but I will place them on the floor starting tonight. The pots with the wood ashes took longer to germinate, about a week longer, but we'll see how they compare in the long run. I'll add a little sand to the first two pots tomorrow. They are about 5 or 6mm tall and are starting to get a few tiny spines. Again, I'll keep everyone posted. daveycrockett |
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| daveycrockett, last year I sowed indoors Yucca glauca, but first I soaked the seed for 4 days, took 10 days to germinate. It seems that my Escobaria vivipara are at a stand still, they are about the same size as they were about a month ago. LOL Sharon |
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| How long does it take for butterfly plant (milkweed) to sprout from seed? Any special treatment of seed needed? Salpaglossis and verbena babies this morning. :-) Sierra |
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Sierra, I checked my records and milkweed came up for me in about 7 days. No special treatment required. At least I didn't do any. Congrats on your morning babies! Laurie |
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Tonight after work, I sowed some Salvia farinacea ‘Evolution’ indoors, the seed came from Stokes, there were only suppose to be 25 seeds in a packet, but they sent like 50! LOL! I'm really pleased with Stokes this year, they now send their seed in new tin-foil packages which will keep the seed much fresher. Sierra, IME, Asclepias Milkweed do great with Winter Sowing, some germination can be expected at warm, with rates significantly improving after a cold treatment. Sharon |
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| I got a jiffy pellet tray with lid and was planning to sow petunias, alyssum & lobelia. I don't have a grow light - was planning to put them either in the basement (near a west facing window) (Probably cold down there - but above 0 degrees F) or put them in my kitchen window. Would it be better if I got a grow light and put them somewhere else? Do I need to water these continually? Sorry for the newbie questions! |
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I'm not sure if a west window will give the seedlings enough light. I've done all my seed starting indoors in a south window and if it's cloudy for a few days, the sprouts can get leggy too. So you may want to invest in grow lights if you don't have a south window to spare. As for watering, all you have to do is keep the soil moist. Not soggy, but don't let it dry out either. And preferably water from the bottom and let it wick up into the soil to prevent diseases. This is what I've been doing anyway. I'm sure others will have tips as well. Good luck, Laurie |
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| I agree with Laurie that a west window will not likely be enough - you could try the south window and see how it works. But if you have somewhere to set up a fluorescent fixture you will get better results. They're not expensive. I haven't used Jiffy pellets in a few years but I had good results with them growing peppers in the past. Just keep in mind the plants will outgrow them pretty fast and will need to be planted into a pot. Plan your space accordingly. Or start them late enough that you can just plant them out when they outgrow the pellets. Have fun! |
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Todays sowings are.... Petunia Wave Blue (13seeds) Petunia Wave Purple (11seeds) Digitalis purpurea 'Camelot Rose' Sharon |
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- Posted by mcav0y z3/4 Anchorage (My Page) on
Sat, Mar 4, 06 at 19:23
| so what do you do when your lobelia seeds start to sprout 2 weeks before you expected? "......I transplant little clumps of 5 to 10 seedlings...occassionally a few more in the clump...it doesn't have to be percise" Sierra, any ideas on how to separate 5-10 seedlings out of these bunches?
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| LOL Kim that's some pretty dense germination. The same thing happened to me with small seeds. In my astilbe, I had two cells out of about 18 with germination like that and the rest with sparse or none. Really wanting to preserve what seedlings I had, I used a tiny souvenir spoon to scoop out a few at a time and carefully replanted them. This was a week ago and they are doing very well. (I have about 12 plants total now, really happy with this BTW) Anyway in less precious flats where I had sown more (such as dianthus), I just used tweezers and thinned them. I could see a combination of division and thinning working for you depending how many you aim to keep. I for one am learning this year how much germination to expect and thus how thickly to seed. I'm new to this. - Gillian |
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Hey, Well using peat pellets makes it real easy. Peel the plastic off the outside.....then carefully break up the pellet into smaller chunks and plant into cell packs. The bowls I use are sowed much thicker than this...most times. Make sure the pellet is wet so it separates easily. I water the bowls just before I start transplanting....then I start at the edge of the bowl..taking out little clumps and divide them....like I said sometimes there are more or less....but it works out well. It takes a bit of time but if you love getting your hands dirty when you can't play in the garden ........ Hee hee I have snaps that are planted this thick....I have no idea how I sowed so many....I didn't think I did, but thats how they came up..(and sprouts don't lie haha)..trust me I was very surprised. The snaps will be transplanted 1 per cell in 6 or 9 paks....once they are big enough..... You could also try the bunch o'seedlings that some winter sowers use. I read that last year somewhere about the winter sowing seedlings. Enjoy transplanting the seedlings....it will give you time to think about how wonderful your garden is going to look in the summer........I will take a few pics in the next few weeks of the bowls of seedlings and the transplanting. Here is a pic from a couple of years back....
Sierra |
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| Sierra are you sure that's not just a Wendy's salad you forgot to eat? ;0) Oh man there were a few pots that were so slow to germinate that I gave up on them and re-used the soil to plant something new... so yeah of course I have two different things growing in some pots now. Duhhhhh! At least I know what they are. I just have to pick them out and separate them. I actually have very good germination in my columbines now, they were just super slow. Oh BTW anyone know how long chamomile tea is good for? I made some for a spray bottle and I don't want it to go bad before I can use it all... |
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- Posted by mcav0y z3/4 Anchorage (My Page) on
Sat, Mar 4, 06 at 21:46
| thanks for the motivation all! next question: I am going away on Monday for 2 weeks (someone is sitting the seedlings). Should I separate and transplant before or after my trip? and thanks for the cinnamon tip (to ward off dampening off). I haven't seen a hint of fungus or mold so far this year! Kim |
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| NS, Eeekkss.....that would be a pretty old salad if it was....don't think it would be that green. :O haha Something that I have learned through trial and error is to not reuse the soil for more seedlings. This is just in case there was a problem like damp off or something that can cause loss of the new seeds as well. I dump the old seedling mix outdoors, bleach the bowl and start fresh. I even do this when the seedlings are transplanted...dump the excess outside and bleach then start something new in the bowl. Don't know about the tea. EEEEEEEEEE Kim leaving new seedlings under someone elses care can be a tough one......as for the transplanting...thats entirely up to you....I don't transplant the seedlings until they are much larger than your pic shows though. Good luck, Sierra |
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- Posted by mcav0y z3/4 Anchorage (My Page) on
Sun, Mar 5, 06 at 15:48
| Sierra, yes, I agree... but the alternative is leaving them unattended for two weeks. I will transplant my lobelia when I get back... One less thing to get done before I go! |
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| Ummmmmmm....Well....I think there is what looks like a flower bud on the Datura plant.....it wasn't fertilized or anything.....it is in a 2 1/2 inch pot and the plant stands maybe 3 to 4 inches tall. Is this normal to have a bud so soon? Sierra |
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| Sierra, is your Datura perhaps D. stramonium var. tatula 'La Fleur Lilac'? Last year these seedlings were blooming very early for me too. Well, I'm all caught up with my transplantings! I also indoor sowed these today... Gallardia aristata 'Arizona Sun' Gazania splendens 'Kiss Yellow Flame' Whew, my neck is sore, time for a break and a cuppa tea ;) Sharon |
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| Sierra if they are 'La Fleur Lilac' then they are very early bloomers. Here I never plant them inside anymore, they just re-seed like crazy in the garden and they are blooming by the first part of July. Laurie |
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| Yup, thats what this one is...hmmmm Petunia, coleus (finally) and more lobelia sprouts this morning. Still no butterfly flower or delphs or cerinthe. Hmmmmmm Sierra |
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| I won't be sowing 'La Fleur Lilac' indoors anymore either, where the pot was last year I'm sure I'll see hundreds of self-sowers this spring ;) Sharon |
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Pudge, when do you start your Verbena bonariensis indoors? Also, have you ever had them self-seed in your garden? Sharon |
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- Posted by pudge 2/3 Sask (My Page) on
Tue, Mar 7, 06 at 19:50
| Sharon, I start Verbena bonariesis about the beginning of April. They're a little tricky - they like the spring swing of temps. To mimic this indoors, I alternate placing the tray on the basement floor (cold) and then on top of the light fixture. Once I see some green, I put them under the lights. Last year I started this process a week or two before I started heating the greenhouse, so once I saw sprouts, the trays went into the greenhouse where the rest germinated easily. I use 6-cells, a few seed in each cell. I have had them self-sow but I don't see the seedlings until later on in the season. I've left some of the self-sown ones, but really haven't paid attention to how late they bloomed. |
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| Could you do them outside, then? Winter sow them, i mean? |
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Today I indoor sowed... Chasmanthium latifolium Northern Sea Oats (thanks for the advice Pudge!) LUZULA nivea Snowy Woodrush PANICUM virgatum Switch Grass SPODIOPOGON sibiricus Frost Grass SPOROBOLUS heterolepsis Prairie Drop Seed Thanks Pudge, last year I sowed my Verbena on April 2nd, I just thought maybe if I sowed them earlier I would get early blooms. Marcia, last year I also WS'd a batch and they indeed germinated, but very late to bloom. Sharon |
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| I'll do them both ways then. |
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| Just taking a break from transplanting. And now of course there will be empty bowls so more sowing can be done. hee hee. I finally got verbena sprouts....I had them on the heat pad, then on the cold floor, then back on the heat pad.....then put them in the dark and that is when they finally sprouted. LOL. One pot out of 5 Cerinthe has sprouted so far. Sierra |
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| Well am caught up on the transplanting for the time being. Sowed... Amaranthus 'tricolor' Amaranthus 'velvet curtains' Chilian Glory Vine ice plant Aster 'single mix' Aster 'milady' French marigolds 'Bonita mix' French maridgolds 'Mr Majestic' Rudbeckia 'chim chiminee' Rudbeckia 'cherokee sunset' Oh and since there is still nothing from the butterfly flower.....I sowed some more and put them in the crisper of the fridge...maybe this will help. A second Cerinthe has now popped up. Seem to be taking their sweet time. Sierra....How many days till SPRING? :-( |
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| I know in reality it will be longer...but just to encourage the terrible cases of spring fever that are afflicting people (myself included)...Officially... 11 days until spring!! |
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| Yippee - I have sprouts of coleus, impatiens, and black-eyed-susan vines. Now if I could get my oh-so-cheap flourescent lights to stay on, I'd be in business. |
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| Verena, i was just saying to my friend today that right on March 21st, the snow is all going to melt and the robins will come back and the crocuses will start sprouting. She believed me. :> |
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| I BELIEVE... March 21st it will start warming and not freeze again until next winter...which should only start on the calendar date (December 22nd). Between now and then, only perfect growing conditions...LOL...if we wish for it hard enough do you think it will come true?? |
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- Posted by pudge 2/3 Sask (My Page) on
Thu, Mar 9, 06 at 18:58
| My life has been a bit out of whack the last week or so - my dad's been sick and was hospitalized so it's been almost daily trips to either the doctor or the hospital (both a 40 minute drive). He was discharged today but it will be back to the doctor's tomorrow to hear some news on test results (hopefully good news). As a result I've only started a few things. All the varieties of perennial Dianthus are transplanted and growing well under lights, as well as a couple varieties of Penstemon (gormanii and hirsutus), Inula ensifolia and Clematis mandschurica. I seeded Craspedia the other day, and I see many sprouts poking thru. Oh, and Alternanthera Purple Knight - there's 5 or 6 sprouts. I must seed Snaps, Dahlias and Asters soon - hopefully will get to it this weekend. Most everything else I'll wait until early April to coincide with (hopefully) getting them into the greenhouse in mid-April. |
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| Sorry to hear about your dad, Pudge. Hope everything will be OK. Look after him and yourself. The plants can wait or your growing plans can be adjusted. Dad is more important right now. Take care. Shauna |
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| All my best to your dad, Pudge - hope things turn out okay! Verena, IF ONLY!! |
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| Our fingers are crossed for your Dad, Pudge. *hugs* |
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| Yup, I agree, Dad is more important, take care of him ;) Hugs, Sharon |
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- Posted by pudge 2/3 Sask (My Page) on
Fri, Mar 10, 06 at 9:25
| Thanks for the good thoughts, all. |
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| Hope the news is good today Pudge. Take care and I hope Dad is okay. Syreeta |
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- Posted by pudge 2/3 Sask (My Page) on
Sat, Mar 11, 06 at 14:04
| Didn't mean to hijack the thread with my dad's health problems...a biopsy and a positive outlook are in our future. In the meantime, he's feeling better and even went downtown to have a visit with his coffee buddies this morning. And thanks again, everyone. On the bright side, I'm on my way downstairs to seed the Snapdragons, Dahlias and Asters. My sister is arriving from Calgary today for a visit - if I don't get these done before she gets here it'll be another week before I have the chance. Off to play... |
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| I missed all this about your Dad, Pudge, but here's hoping all goes well. Dads are pretty special -- take good care of him! Anyways, I've now got 3 little sprouts of Morning Glory I guess! [as mentioned in my MG thread] LOL. Probably waaaay to early for them yet but I have them sprouting now so I may as well plant them and see what happens! Actually a few years ago I had some blooming indoors so maybe they will be OK. |
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| Oh I missed this too Pudge....Hoping all goes well for your dad. CD..maybe you will get bigger plants by planting the morning glories this early. Haha 11 days till spring....tooooo funny. If I believe hard enough will it come true? I believe, I believe. LOL!!! Sierra |
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- Posted by savona z2bBCCanada (My Page) on
Tue, Mar 14, 06 at 15:38
Sorry to hear about your Father Pudge...Glad he is feeling better. I'm still looking for the magical morning temps of anything above -10 for several days in a row to fire up the wood stove in the greenhouse..arrrggghhhh...will it ever happen?..I gave the youngest son a firm push out the door and imediately started to creatively cram plants in the window of his vacated bedroom...lol..the plant room is full also...I'm begging you Spring come quick!..savona |
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| So, how did you manage that, Savona? I want to take over mine's bedroom too, but i can't convince him to either move out or to switch rooms. He does let me keep my African violets on his windowsill - that's the only place they'll bloom. :) |
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- Posted by savona z2bBCCanada (My Page) on
Tue, Mar 14, 06 at 17:14
| Marcia..I quit cooking with cheese...lol..just had to say that...He has been in and out of the house a couple times..Ive heard the move out is permanent after the third time...compared to his buddy he has moved in with we are just no fun..lol..and he really wanted out of here before spring when Mom might want another flower bed dug...savona |
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| Well, i'll keep working on mine. I thought that now that my older son is single again he might want a roommate. Apparently not! The younger one actually wants to head out to Alberta, but he's laid off from his job right now, no money, no vehicle, so i guess he might as well be home. Sigh... |
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- Posted by savona z2bBCCanada (My Page) on
Wed, Mar 15, 06 at 16:15
| Unfortunetly you cant dig him up and tranplant him into another location like you can for a plant that has out grown their space in the garden...lol...savona |
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| Nope - and he cooks for himself, too. With cheese! LOL The little grandguy came over this afternoon and he planted daisies for his mom and bachelor buttons for himself. Boy, am i gonna have fun thinning out his seedlings! We used the little peat pellets and he had about ten seeds in each one! Reminds me of a little poem: Tiny fingers planting seeds - A packet in a minute! The only work involved Is when i go to thin it! |
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Marcia, that poem is too cute! It's also well timed for me, as my two boys with little fingers wanted to do some planting this afternoon too. They both picked Venidium 'Orange Prince'. I sure hope the seeds sprout quick. It's kind of like the gardener's version of the old question, "are we there yet? are we there yet?" except now it'll be, "are they up yet?" about 20 times a day!! Laurie |
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| Laurie they picked the right seeds then, my venediums (Zulu Princes) were up in 4 days and are currently 6" high... ahem... blush. Keep getting in heck for planting things too early. Cooking with cheese LOL - maybe that's why I left home at 18 - Mom's cooking was boring! So I just have to grouse a little here... how long does it usually take to ship seeds? I think The Seed Centre lost my order. I placed it Feb 11, got a confirmation e-mail, sent an e-mail Mar 7 asking when they would be shipped and got a response that something must have gone wrong because they should have been shipped a long time ago. No response to repeated e-mails since. Grrrrr. I am dying here! |
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| Been transplanting up a storm. Also started several more kinds of seeds. Gil what kind of seeds do you need? Sierra |
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| I've been transplanting a lot too. I was really panicking about finding enough pots but I asked Mom and it turns out she has hundreds saved up from the past few years and she never uses them. So rather than have her committed like I probably should, I just took them off her hands. LOL. Score! Sierra, the only seeds I'm really desperate for are phlox drummondii "Twinkle Mix". Out of the rest of my order, I should also be starting the coleus, lobelia, nicotines and delphiniums now too but those wouldn't even ruin my garden plans if they didn't happen. Gotta have the phlox man, I can never find it in the nurseries anymore! |
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| Gil, that's good to know that the venidium comes up fast. It'll make my life sooo much easier ;) |
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| This is my first year starting plants on my own after a 16 year break. I must admit that I forgot how easy it is. I want to start Gazania yet. I just got a couple packages and they have both different planting instuctions. Stokes says to start it Feb 15 for July blooms and Veseys says to start now. I've started everything on a heat pad. Can I start these on it as well or do I have to put them some place cool like I've read some where? |
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- Posted by savona z2bBCCanada (My Page) on
Thu, Mar 16, 06 at 11:10
I started my gazanias in February..covered the dish of them with tin foil and left them on top of one of my plant lights...they started to sprout on the second day which I then took off the cover and placed them under the lights..I sowed mine the same time last year and they started to bloom in the greenhouse toward the end of April..which was nice for me as I could pick and choise what colours I wanted to go where. The poem is adorable Marcia...savona |
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| Ditto, savona. I started my gazanias in late Feb. and they are just sprouting their 1st true leaves now. I also had flowers at the end of April last year. I'd recommend that you get them going now, sazzyrose. Shauna - who has transplanting and seeding galore to do today. |
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| Thanks girls. The Gazania seeds will be in the ground shortly. Last year I planted the silver leafed ones in front of my roses and the combination was stunning. I also love Oesteopermums. Are they easy to start as well? If they are then it's on my to do next year list. |
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| Osteospermum have been pretty easy in my limited experience. However, the type of seed seems to make a difference. Last year Shauna sent me some seeds (O. 'Giant Mix') and we both had the same experience of them being weak and straggly, and i think we both ended up tossing them. But i had some 'Passion Mix' and it was an entirely different thing with them. The seedlings were very sturdy and went on to produce some great purple flowers. I'd say go for them! |
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| Did some indoor sowing today: Amaranthus cruentus Gypsophila 'Gypsy Deep Rose' Gypsohila (regular white) Heliotrope 'Fragrant Blue' Unidentified ornamental grass, described as "green/white with red head" Pennisetum glaucum 'Purple Majesty' Petunias (white, from saved seed) Gazania 'Rose Stripe' Gazania (saved seed) Cleome (purple) Salpiglossis (thank you, Shauna!) Verbena bonarensis Balsam Cerinthe 'Pride of Gibralter' I'm going to direct-sow some gypsophila into my container lilies when i plant the bulbs - i loved Pudge's baby's breath and lilies look, but it didn't work for me last year. Maybe i'll be luckier in the containers! |
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- Posted by savona z2bBCCanada (My Page) on
Fri, Mar 17, 06 at 16:58
A friend sent me seeds she collected off her purple majesty millet..I sowed them on wednesday and the nest day they started to germinate..this picture is from this morning...savona
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| I don't expect anyone to remember this but last Sept. long weekend, we went to Saskatoon and I came back inquiring as to what kind of orn. grass were in the city's half barrels. I got the answer back from Sharon that it was Pennisetum setaceum Fountain Grass. The funniest thing happened today - OK, not that funny. Taking my son to school, I discovered I had a flat tire. I changed the tire and went digging thru my glove comp. for sales receipts/work orders, etc. on any tire purchases for said vehicle. When I pulled out the plastic envelope they were in, I noticed all of this fuzzy looking stuff in the envelope. Looked closer and here was all of the Fountain Grass seed I collected when we were in Saskatoon. Planted those up right quick, today. After I went and bought two new tires, of course. : ( There goes more of the garden budget! Better check your car and your purse, all of you seed snatchers! Don't want to miss planting something your forgot about. Shauna |
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| So further to my complaint about the Seed Centre, I phoned them today and the fellow was very nice and apologetic, and apparently their spam filter sometimes blocks good e-mails and also lost my order. So I faxed it and he swears up & down it will be shipped Monday. That would make me happy! It's a bit of a hassle but the place was SO cheap, free shipping and good selection. |
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| Hopefully they do come through for you Gil. My boys have Venidium sprouts this morning.......thank goodness! |
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| Things have really started to take off here.......and seeds that are being sown seem to be popping up in two day...eeekkksss.....slow down will ya. Whats with the Delph seeds I got this year....I have sowed them twice and still not a single sprout....the ones in the pic in the gallery I started from seed with no problems. Hmmmm DH and I filled 14 blooming bags this weekend...when we were done I found one more. LOL. Now they have to hang for a couple days to settle, I guess, before I can start planting them up....I'll probably start planting them tomorrow. Gil.....I have to tell ya....I found phlox seed twinkle mix on the weekend.....and yes I got them and started them this weekend too. See you paid me back. LOL! One more try...now how does the phlox dance go? Sierra :-)) |
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| Sierra, I think I have a couple of blooming bags in the shed somewhere, I really need to dig them out this spring. Thanks for the reminder ;) Today, I indoor sowed Verbena bonariensis, will be WS'ing some too ;) Sharon |
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| The little grandguy's bachelor buttons have sprouted already, and i'm going to bring them to school for him tomorrow for his show and tell. :) The gazanias i planted the other day have sprouted too, but i have no room under my lights right now. Dh was making some more brackets for the new lights i bought but he hasn't finished yet. Hopefully tomorrow. I'm really disappointed in the pansies i sowed awhile back. Very few have germinated. They were in the dark for about a week, but when the sprouts started, i uncovered them. But the ones that had sprouted are the only ones. >:( Re: bloom bags. How do you water them? I tried putting a piece of hose in mine (we put nail holes in it first), but it hasn't worked too well. Someone else said they dunk theirs in their pond. Last year, i lay mine in a seeding tray and watered that way, but i'd like to hear some better ideas! I only have one, and last year i got the bright idea to root impatiens cuttings in it, and it worked. So i'm going to invest in a few more of them this year to hang along the back of the house. |
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- Posted by savona z2bBCCanada (My Page) on
Wed, Mar 22, 06 at 0:58
Finally with the turn around in our weather I got the woodstove going in the greenhouse..what a relief to get some flats out there to make room under the lights to start more seeds and to transplant some of the others. Marcia I saved seeds from my own pansies last fall but some of the seeds looked light in colour and I didnt trust them to be fertile..I figured to give them a week and if they didnt start germinating I would buy seeds...I was at a nursery and bought some seeds anyway..but needless as mine did come up nicely, I transplanted 6 dozen and gave a couple dozen to my neighbor to finish up in her greenhouse..I do the same thing..as soon as a couple germinate I take the cover off them and give them some light..hope they are just pokey and will still come up for you...savona |
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| These were sown almost a month ago, so i guess there's not much hope. I guess this weekend, i'll consolidate what has come up into a couple of four-packs so i'll have more room for other things. Time for tomatoes and peppers soon! |
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| Marcia, To water the blooming bags.....I use a water wand and just tuck it into the back of the bag and then turn on either soaker mode or shower mode lightly till the water starts running out the bottom of the bags. They are a bit of a pain that way, if you arn't careful and forget to turn the water off...it can ruin the plants in the top of the bag. I water the pots the same way...tuck the wand in under the plants and then turn it on gently....it can take quite a while to water this way. While I am standing there, I dead head and have a nice close look at the flowers...so it all works out well ......... Hmmmmm last time I looked at the bowl of pansy seedlings...I was thinking they needed to be transplanted...uhhhhhh that was ummmmm last week, I think...guess I had better find them and get that done. LOL. Sierra |
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| Thanks for the tip, Sierra, but i'll need another one! We water with water pumped from the beaver pond into a 250-gal. tank, and then pumped out to the gardens by hoses. One's on a sprinkler and the other's on me! I get to drag the hose around to all the flower gardens, so no wands or anything fancy. Maybe soaking them in a tray is my best bet. |
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| Marcia....if the water pressure isn't strong enough to use a wand.......then the flow should be just right, to tuck into the back of the bags....just a soft gentle flow so it doesn't up-root the roots or wreck the flowers. You could always just use a watering can...then you have complete control of the flow. I drag the 100ft or is it longer? hmmm heavey rubber hose around to water the planters too.....its good for keepin me in shape in the summer. LOL! and you know this is commin' haha.......You could always just do the rain dance.....then you don't have to worry about watering anything. hee hee Sierra |
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| Heh heh - i should dance up a "storm" right now and maybe melt some of the snow! LOL Marcia, off to shelve some more books, with a little twist in her step :) |
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| Gasp! Marcia you aren't on GW at work are you?? LOL me too. My Seeds arrived in the mail today! Hooray! Of to plant lobelia, delphiniums, nicotines and phlox. Some will get WSed, we'll see. |
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| HaHa..I post from work too, but shhhhhhhh. Gil...I dunno about sowing seeds at work though. LOL! Uhhhh the phlox I sowed and put in the dark.....there seems to be only one seedling.....you didn't tell me the steps to that dance.....see I told you I can't grow phlox. That one seedling is probably a weed seed....:-( Sierra |
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| Ok ok it's my day off today. But I do check in from work too. :0) Especially in the winter when it's boring. Today I planted phlox, delphiniums, coleus and lobelia. I dunno about phlox in the dark Sierra, my seed pack doesn't say anything about dark. I just sowed mine shallow and put them under the lights. The only dance I have ever done to get phlox in the past is the "boogie down to the greenhouse and pick up some flats" dance. LOL. I was going to mention, aren't salvia seedlings beautiful? Sigh... I sowed exactly 65 seeds and exactly 58 came up. Now that is a pretty good germination rate!! Compared to about 300:5 for Alyssum saxatile. The 5 are coming along splendidly though. |
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| Hmmmm . . . I can't grow phlox very well, either. I had exactly one plant last year and that was w/s. I decided to try again and I also have put mine in the dark this year to germinate. So far, no germination but I think there might be some really intricate moves to the "germinating phlox" dance. But, many of the information sources that I have say that phlox germinates better in the dark. I covered mine with paper. I guess it's a wait and see? Shauna |
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| I've never tried growing phlox from seed but i winter-sowed some this year, just seed that i had saved from one plant. I was looking in the container the other day, and the seeds are on the surface and some of the hulls have broken apart. I wonder if i should have covered the seeds all the way, then, if they germinate better in the dark. I guess i can still remedy that. What do you guys think? |
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| Marcia, can you put that one container into a dark plastic garbage bag? I just looked at the Stokes catalogue, for example, and it says to put the flat in total darkness. It's certainly worth a try. I think that's why my germination was so bad last year. I may be wrong, Gil, but it's just what I've been reading. It's one I checked specifically on because my germ. was sooooo bad last year. Shauna |
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| Oh I'm not saying you & Sierra are wrong Shauna, just that my seed packet didn't mention dark so I didn't know. I will give the darkness a shot. How long? Until they sprout? Or what? I'm guessing they want to be warm-ish too?? Please advise! |
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| I was just thinking that i could stick them in the barbecue because no one uses it. Hah - that would be about the time someone would decide to barbecue wieners or something. Barbecued phlox! Okay, i guess i'll do something else - maybe stick a large pot over top of the container or something like that. |
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| Whew, I’m exhausted and my back is killing me from bending over transplanting several kinds of seedlings into 4" squares and jumbo 6 packs. My racks are now filled, its time to start the alternating method every 12 hours tomorrow. According to my journal last year I took many flats out to the greenhouse on April 15th, that’s when I’ll start the tomatoes and the rest of the tender annuals since I’ll have more room downstairs by then. Sharon |
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| Hey Sierra, you sowed your phlox about a week ago right? When your one seedling appeared did you bring it all into the light? Would that stop any more from sprouting? I have mine in a garbage bag now but I might also bring them upstairs where it's warmer. And the dance, isn't there a backwards rotation of the left arm? Were you doing that? And the twist in the step? Just wondering, has anyone here successfully sowed phlox drummondii? And if so how? -Gillian (who is afraid of being phlox-less!) |
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| Sharon......I have been doing the 12 hour alternating for a little over a week now. LOL! Who ever says gardening isn't excersize needs to try actually doing this every spring and summer. ;-) Gil.......Yes I sowed the phlox last weekend. No I didn't take the lid off, nor did I put it under lights, when the first seedling appeared. I was suspicious this one seedling wasn't a phlox.....I did spray the seedling with chamomile tea every second day though so it didn't dampen off. Yesterday I took the lid off and placed beside the lights not under the light. Might put it back in the dark today. LOL! I have tried several dances ...with no luck. :-( I only sowed half the seeds.....so if someone comes up with steps that I haven't tried...I'll sow the rest. I'm about to try the forward seed catapult into the garbage can. LOL! All of the blooming bags are planted, except for the last one...which is only half planted. LOL....I ran out of good sized seedlings for it.....so will have to wait a week or two for some of the smaller seedlings to catch up. I ended up with two trays of small impatiens that have to grow a bit more.....then I can finish the last bag. I also will use these seedlings to plant the tops of the bags once the bags can be hung. Transplanting, transplanting......Oh DH my b'day is comming up....and I really need that greenhouse. LOL! Sierra |
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- Posted by pudge 2/3 Sask (My Page) on
Sun, Mar 26, 06 at 10:25
| I often refer to the Vesey's planting guide when I'm unsure of germination requirements of annuals. Veseys says for annual Phlox to cover lightly, provide darkness and a cool soil temp of 60-65F. Sounds like a good candidate for placing on a basement floor. |
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| Thanks Pudge, I also found a guide this morning that said 55-65F so I will put them back in the basement. Now I'm worried that the garbage bag isn't blocking out all the light... well I have half the pack of seeds left if I screw it up. |
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- Posted by savona z2bBCCanada (My Page) on
Mon, Mar 27, 06 at 19:39
I have annual beauty mix phlox and candy cane phlox germinating now..I have done phlox several years now. I dont do anything special..just press the seeds into the soillesss mix and cover with plastic and then under the lights..where it is usually fairly warm..I sowed these march 21st and could see the roots pushing into the soil and starting to lift the seeds on the 24th..I believe Thompson morgan says to not exclude light as this might be helpful with germination..it can be so confusing on what is the right way to start some seeds
I am very pleased on how fast the Torenia are coming along after reading they are slow to grow..I couldnt bring myself to pinch back a couple of the plants as I could see some buds on them and wanted to see what they looked like when they bloom..I sowed these Feb 1
I'm having so much fun 8-)...savona |
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| Well as of today I have one phlox sprout!! Yaaah! I covered them with a garbage bag and put them back in the basement where it is currently 17*C. Also today I indoor sowed my sempervivums mix, jovibarba mix, geum triflorum, and creeping thyme. I'm having fun toooooo! |
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| Aaaah! I checked my phlox again and it's about 1/3 sprouted - I can see the little roots all heading for the soil. Thanks so much for your advice Shauna & Sierra & Pudge. What on earth would I do without this forum, I ask myself regularly. In case anyone cares, they were sowed on the surface of wet soilless mix and kept under lights for one day. Then I put the dome on and covered with a garbage bag and kept them at 20C for one day, then returned to 17C for one day and they sprouted within one or two days of that. The compost was very wet and the humidity was high. Savona, I'm glad your phlox is sprouting for you too. I wonder why the range of acceptable conditions, yet the reputation of being hard to germinate. Oh well. Oh and yesterday I also sowed Saponaria ocymoides (Soapwort). Marcia I will have it cascading over a wall yet - LOL! |
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- Posted by vrie 3/4 MT (My Page) on
Tue, Mar 28, 06 at 21:24
| Hi all! I decided to join in the conversation. What I do is a combination I guess of indoor and winter. I have an unheated sunroom that faces south. I have cups and pots and bowls and all sorts of stuff starting out there. I use a combo of cheap soil and jiffy start mix, depending on what's handy. The sunroom does have heat lamps in it (not grow but oh well) if the night will be too cold. (As an aside I had tomatoes at Thanksgiving from there last year!) Anyway, after the other half finally built shelves, this is my beginning- Liatris, coleus, brocolli, brandywine and yellow pear tomatoes, a couple zuch just for S&G, foxglove, snaps (the first set I didn't freeze, but the room did so...they're sprouting anyway) some shade mix with viola, impatiens, forget-me-not, torenia, mimulus,and colensia; some generic salsa peppers mix (if I can get them to grow why not- plants are expensive!) and a blue columbine The wood shelves are about 6 ft each long, the side board is about the same-- now where can i put that TV? and to go: Oh I better not even start that line of thought-- I have 3x5 files full of seeds--

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UGH...I am sooooo far behind this year...stoopid snowmobile and house renos... Oh well, I still have plenty of cold weather before they can get planted out so I'll start this weekend! |
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| Sure you have time Hunner, lots of time and you won't have an overgrown jungle like some of my plants! Vrie what a great sunroom! You're so lucky to have all those south windows - my house only has 3 and one has the kitchen sink under it. |
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| Just wondering if I'm flirting with disaster. I was having trouble keeping my very tiny seedlings watered so when I had to be away for few days I set them on a watering mat. Now I've returned and I'm enjoying the fact that I don't have to water several times a day. They are staying damp. What do you think? Good practise or bad? |
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| North43 ff it's not broke don't fix it. I would just check regularly that they are doing their job. Yesterday I indoor sowed: Verbascum nigrum Dianthus superbus "Snowdonia White" (Thanks Sharon for both!) And my Jovibarbus is up already - 2 days, wow! |
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| Sorry North53 you lost 10 somewhere ;0) |
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| 9 weeks till "planting out" time! Whoo-hoo! I've done some tomatoes. Package said "6-8 weeks" but I'm sure one extra week won't hurt! |
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LOL...if hubby came home right now he'd totally have me committed! I am giving my starter pots a "bath"! I have the tub filled with a bleach solution and I am soaking the pots to clean them. I have to go to work in 15 mins so I'll just leave them n there until I get home. Good thing I'll be home before him or he'd lose it! Can't wait to get started for real...I just did some of those wave petunia kits and am soaking some pellets for one more...I had a bonus when I opened up the red pack...there were 2 of the little seed mats in there so I'll have lots of red waves...or more to fry whatever the case may be! |
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| I spent half of the morning and half the afternoon transplanting impatiens, coleus and the little grandguy's bachelor buttons. This time of year when i'm surrounded by seedlings, i often wonder where my mind is.... LOL In the garden, of course! |
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| Hi all I thought that I would post a couple of pics and let you know how things are going with my planting. These are pictures of my planting room in my basement and so far everything is going good.
Today I will probably spent most of the day in there transplanting and starting more seeds. Will be starting today: Hybrid Marigold --Golden Jubilee Tomato-- Sweet Gold TMVF pvp Tomato-- Lemon Boy Pennisetum-- Purple Majesty Nemesia-- Carnival Mixed Schizanthus-- Hit Parade No woodworking today:( !!!! Cheers Al |
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| A whole room! Wow! Do you have lights over where your big potted plants are? Now, let's see... If i could get rid of the freezer and some more of the junk in the laundry room..... :> |
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- Posted by vrie 3/4 MT (My Page) on
Sun, Apr 2, 06 at 16:25
| oh wow! I have enough trouble getting to use my sunroom for plants! My old man would have me committed (or buried IN the garden!) I don't think he would agree to convert that room to a starter area when he really wants it for a cvomputer workroom LOL! |
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| That's the thing,Vrie - a MAN converted that room! I'm counting my blessings that i might get a greenhouse, but i wouldn't hold my breath on a whole room for seed-starting! |
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| WOW Al, that room is awesome and I must agree with Vrie and Marcia ~ LOL ~ Pretty cool that a MAN converted that room! Right on! I just finished adding another table infront of the Living Room window and did some: Tomatoes - subarctic 'Plenty' Basil - I think its Italian sweet basil ?? Marigolds - 'Canadian Sunset' Ameranthus 'Velvet Curtains' Coleus 'Rainbow Mix' Xeranthemum ~Ang~ |
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| My wife thinks that it is a good idea to have a separate room for starting seed as this keeps the mess in one area. The room is also used for storage and is very small (about 5x10). I also plugged the heat vent so that it keeps cool and the plants do not get leggy. Marcia - I do not have a light over the larger pots as these are my cannas and are just coming up now. They will go to my greenhouse in a couple of weeks so I do not worry about having any light over them because when they get into my greenhouse they really start to grow. Cheers Al |
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- Posted by vrie 3/4 MT (My Page) on
Tue, Apr 4, 06 at 20:30
| Oh man for that room-- I'm already out of shelf space! He did agree to build double shelves in the sunroom so I can use bottom to store instead of other shelf space. Anyway, I have seeded more-- larkspur lupine delph i collected last fall more snaps blue flax Let's see from the original I have almost all my yellow pear tomatoes up this week and that gives me hope for the peppers and brandywine. Also I have foxglove and snaps up and the one single dumb early girl seed my mother left here. Just today I found some of my shade mixture up (probly foxglove too but oh well.) I also sent a set of 1-4 ft plant seeds all mixed up nicely for my aunt's meadow to her. In return she sent me seeds for old hollyhock and something she doesn't know it's name (but it was pretty in a bouquet I saw last summer!) It's been so nice outside! I have been weeding already (why do the dandelions come up so FAST?), prepping the garden for the cold season veggies, moving rocks, marking bulbs that need moved this fall, and prepping a spot for those no-name roses someone is sending me (that should be hardy - they're zone 4- where I plan them to be!) and for that plum tree I need to go get! Oh, I've also preapproved my boulevard flower beds with the city, found out they own the tree I want to kill (darn it!- it doesnt bear fruit and it shades that native flower bed I'm making) I also found that I don't want a fence as they make me come in 22 FEET! I started pruning other stuff too! Let's see Sat was spent away from home-- the HOME AND GARDEN SHOW!!! Of course a few more wall-o-waters and some seeds later, I had spent well over 3 hours there- in the middle of the day- oh well it was raining! I'm so proud of myself- I didn't buy a single bulb or lily (I already have a combo of about 300 of those!) Oh my! maybe this should be in projects LOL Anyone got a spot for shelves? |
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| What the heck!?! My Black-Eyed Susan vines are reaching 10" tall!! I followed package directions, but I think it was too early to plant them. I've transplanted them into styrofoam cups, but now I'm wondering if they should go into the hanging baskets I intend to plant them in before they tangle themselves up. |
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| I did the same thing last year with Black-eyed Susans. I just about lost them all when I untangled the big mess. I ended up buying some from the garden centre because they looked so much fuller and compact compared to mine. Lo and behold, they had been pinching them back, and they kept producing side shoots. I haven't planted mine yet for this year, but I was going to pinch, pinch, pinch. I've been pinching back my Mina Lobata and Cobaea for about a month now and they both have really bushed out. I'm planning on putting them into 18" pots really quick now and giving them tomato cages to climb. I've got so many tomato cages and I plan on adding them and wiring them together to make a tower, as the season progresses They will probably just take off when I give them that privilege. Shauna |
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| More sprouts! Marigolds "Canadian Sunset" Xeranthemum Basil gotta love it! My Cobaea is getting long and hanging down! So far it's not touching anything yet so it's not getting tangled up yet. I keep thinking that I should pinch it back but being tall and skinny should be OK for where I plan to put it between some Morning Glories and a Hyacinth Bean Vine. We'll see how they do together! |
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| Well......I now have 4 phlox sprouts...well if they are all phlox. hee hee and not weeds. I transplanted the one that sprouted...the first time I planted, into a cell pack......then I dumped the rest of the package into the bowl. Again...one popped up...but I ignored it.....today I noticed two more. I also finally have one sprout of butterfly flower....geez this took forever. Still hoping for a couple more. Been transplanting into cells and 4 inch pots...all sorts of things.. A couple calla lilies have poked up above the soil and I now have two castor beans showing. All 5 of the new cannas are growing. Still have to start a few things this weekend or next week. And set up the glads and freesias when I find time. LOL! Happy Gardening, Sierra...will my hands and nails ever be clean again? :O |
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| Sierra, would it help if I posted a pic of my phlox sprouts so you might know if yours are weeds? Mine eventually ended up having very good germination. In no way do I wish to rub it in... ;0) So far my poor germinators are coleus, delphiniums (this might be bad seed, had no trouble with them before), and alyssum. I had a couple of bags of Miracle Gro soilless seed mix that looked like pure sawdust and contained weeds. There is now a drought of soilless mix in this end of the city, there is just none anywhere. I've been having to use potting mix. Ok so far. My cypress vines have been doing something weird, namely dying. :0( The vines grow to about 6" or less, then all the leaves go white and the vine fails and dies. Any ideas??? They are receiving good light and water. |
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