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From 7b to zone 2

kirstenward
11 years ago

Hello all! I have been absent from the Garden Web for a couple of years, now. I used to live in zone 7b, on Vancouver Island, where I had many David Austin roses. A couple of years ago, I moved to northern Alberta, where I have been renting, so gardening has been on hiatus. However, I am getting married and moving even FARTHER north, to Fort McMurray (zone 2, I believe!), where we are in the process of buying a house. I will be there at the end of June. I don't even know what gardening in zone 2 looks like!!! Any words of advice or encouragement would be so very appreciated!!

Comments (11)

  • nutsaboutflowers
    11 years ago

    Been there, done that.

    That drastic a change in growing zones can be discouraging, but it can be done. You just have less choices that will inspire you, coming from where you've been.

    I would suggest you do a fair amount of reading in the next while, and become familiar with what works in Fort McMurray.

    Are you buying a house with an established yard, or new?

    A word of warning, the stores will sell things that you're familiar with, but they won't necessarily survive your winters. Do your homework if you're not prepared to learn by trial and error and spend some money that will end up wasted.

    Once we know here if you're starting from scratch or buying an established property, we can help you out more :)

  • kirstenward
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    Thank you, nutsaboutflowers. :) I will be heading up the first week of April to go house shopping, so I don't know yet! However, we are looking at fairly new houses, so it's safe to assume that there won't be much in the way of established landscaping.

    Do you have any suggestions of good books I might track down for far north gardening? I have a huge collection of gardening books, but most of them are dedicated to roses or the Pacific Northwest.

  • User
    11 years ago

    Zone envy is hard to overcome I came from Kamloops to Zone 2b. Far North Gardening has been very helpful when choosing fruit trees etc..... I planted a cherry last year not the same as okanagan cherries but still cherries. Congrats on your upcoming wedding. Happy House hunting.

  • nutsaboutflowers
    11 years ago

    There's a couple of websites that I have found particularly helpful.

    www.finegardening.com.

    It has a plant guide that shows you the zones the plants will survive in, how big they get, characteristics, problems, pictures, etc.

    www.shelmerdine.com

    It's from Winnipeg, Manitoba.

    If you read through a lot of the Far North Gardening Forum, you'll find almost as much information as you'll ever need on so many plants, shrubs, trees, etc., that your head will spin :) In the beginning you may find yourself looking up a plant on fine gardening, every time you read a post on this forum, LOL!
    Keep in mind that there will be things you can grow there, but you'll need to treat them as annuals, not perennials like you used to.

    Are you a bulb fan? Tulips, etc.? Even when you plant them 2 inches deeper than the instructions, depending on your soil type, they may only come up for one year. I've learned to treat tulips as annuals for the most part, particularly since I've got clay soil. I'm not sure what FM has.

    People and greenhouses will probably tell you to plant Schubert Chokecherries. It seems everybody is planting them. Please do your homework on them. I hate mine. And, they will get black knot. Pretty much guaranteed. I wish I'd never let mine grow. There as so many nicer trees out there.

    Oh, another thing. If you buy in a new area, I wouldn't necessarily plant what everybody else is planting. I don't really want to sound like I'm bashing the landscaping companies, but honestly, some of the things you see being planted, you know will be gone by the next year :(

    There are some of your possible favourites from VI that you 'll have to give up for sure. You won't get the evergreen rhodos or the blue hydrangeas. There won't be daffodil fields, but you can grow them in a sheltered spot. Possibly only for a year though.

    I have managed to find some beautiful primula/primroses that are doing beautifully in my zone. I don't recall their name right now and the tags are covered in 4 feet of snow. They won't, however, come up at the end of February. You'll have to wait until almost the end of May.

    Are you a vegetable gardener? For the most part you'll be able to grow pretty much everything you did before, depending on your choices.

    Definitely join a garden club as luckygal suggested or meet a fellow neighbour who gardens.

    Whew! What a long post, and I'm sure there's more. You can tell it's been a long cold winter here.

    NAF


  • don555
    11 years ago

    First the bad news...Ft. Mac. is actually in zone 1a. The good news is that winter snow cover is reliable and remains all winter, giving protection to perrenials so that you should be able to squeeze an extra zone or two out of those. Here's a link that might be useful... they give zone ratings for their perennials.

    http://www.dunvegangardens.ca/LocationsFM.htm#Fort McMurray Divisions

  • shillanorth Z4 AB
    11 years ago

    I lived for 34+ years in the NWT, mostly Yellowknife and there are several old fashioned tried and true perennials that grew and flourished in my gardens. Some you might like to think about are bleeding hearts, delphiniums, oriental poppies, asiatic lilies, clustered bellflowers, shasta daisies, pinks, peonies next to the house, cranes bill, ostrich ferns, columbine. May Day and mountain ash trees did well, false spirea(too weedy for my tastes) Froebeli spirea and Hansa rose is a really good one. Hope this gives you something to look forward to.

  • northspruce
    11 years ago

    Hi & welcome! The others have pretty much covered it but also check out the gallery attached our forum, we have done years of week-by-week photo threads that would be quick for you to zip through. Feel free to ask questions.

    Very generally, daylilies and dwarf bearded irises have been very reliable in my yard and offer a big selection.

  • Konrad___far_north
    11 years ago

    Wow,...Vancouver Island and this, ..hope cold doesn't bother you. The summers are nice!
    You've got pretty good answers from others.
    All I want to say, when hunting for a home, old or new, make sure you have it inspected. I would have it done by at least 2 inspectors. We hear so many horror stories from up there, shoddy workmanship and not following code.

    Other then that, Fort McMurray is not that bad, just very busy now. If you like the outdoor you'll love it. There is allot of spruce or mixed forest, [not as huge as the island]. Been up there a couple of times visiting my daughter, she has a home for about 4 years now and likes it, maybe for the money? As a engineer it cant' be that bad. Good place to make money quick!

  • beegood_gw
    11 years ago

    Walk around the neighbourhoods and see what grows well out there and talk to the people' They shud have a pretty good idea .

  • momof4ont
    11 years ago

    We moved from southwestern Ontario to northeastern Ontario (2a) 5 years ago. The first two summers were kind of like culture shock- things grew, but not like I was used to. We were hit by late spring frosts and early fall frosts. The 89 day growing season we were supposed to get ended up more like 70.

    My best suggestions- buy the shortest season varieties you can find for everything. Heritage Harvest Seeds (Manitoba) is really good about growing times in their catalogue.
    http://www.heritageharvestseed.com/index.html
    I'd also recommend joining the far north seed exchange
    http://forums.gardenweb.com/forums/load/farnorth/msg1012310015836.html?24

    Plan on a greenhouse, starting more delicate annuals indoors, and repotting annuals a few times to get them up to size.

    If you're growing veggies- plan on double the garden size you had previously to get the same yield.

    Adjust your diet. I'm still working on getting apple trees to survive and produce (don't buy anything from the big box stores), but I finally got us off the apple a day we were used to when we lived down south (too expensive to buy through the winter). Now I take full advantage of blueberry and raspberry season, and bake with fruit through the winter.

    Good luck!

    Wendy