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Carmine Jewel Dwarf Cherry Tree
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Posted by troman1973 4 (My Page) on Fri, Aug 10, 07 at 22:17
| Hi
I was just wondering if anyone has grown one of these Cherry trees? I saw that it was just introduced into the USA, according to Gurney's magazine. I believe it was introduced in Canada and has hardiness to zone 2b. It is a semi dwarf tree with a height of around 6 1/2 feet. According to their magazine it has better taste than sweet cherry's. It can produce 15lbs of fruit by the fourth year.
This sounds like a great tree if it is as good as they say. To find that cold hardy of a tree is rare.
I am just checking to see if anyone has grown one? or has knowledge of the tree? Any info would be appreciated.
Thanks
Here is a link to the web page
http://gurneys.com/product.asp_Q_pn_E_72500 |
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RE: Carmine Jewel Dwarf Cherry Tree
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| I planted a couple last spring. I can't comment on the cherries yet, but it breezed through the winter and must be close to 5' tall now. Shelley |
RE: Carmine Jewel Dwarf Cherry Tree
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| Thanks for the info Shelley! Do you have Cherry's this year? How tall was it when you planted it? Do they get bushy? |
RE: Carmine Jewel Dwarf Cherry Tree
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| >>According to their magazine it has better taste than sweet cherry's<< That’s only true if you like sour cherries more then sweet. I had two plants but gave up growing them, the cherries are smaller then Evans, they are not growing as well and had allot of freeze back, they actually died out! But…you should test them in your location anyway. Konrad |
RE: Carmine Jewel Dwarf Cherry Tree
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I didn't have any cherries on them this year. They were babies when I planted them last year, and were probablt 12 - 18" tall. I did plant the Evans as well last spring. It died right back this spring and then my DH got to close with the whipper snipper this summer. It is growing again, but I have no comment on this one because of the damage. Shelley |
RE: Carmine Jewel Dwarf Cherry Tree
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| Do you know of a sweet cherry that is cold hardy? Is Evans a sweet cherry? If you were to purchase one or two cherry trees what kind would you purchase, that is also cold hardy? Thanks again for the help |
RE: Carmine Jewel Dwarf Cherry Tree
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Evans is another sour cherry. I planted all of my cherry trees last spring including a few newer releases from the UofS. I can't tell you which is my favorite yet. Shelley |
RE: Carmine Jewel Dwarf Cherry Tree
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| >>Do you know of a sweet cherry that is cold hardy<< Cold hardy for what? You don’t show what zone you’re in. I grow some, like Lapins, Stella just for fun but not considered cold hardy for zone 3. Konrad |
RE: Carmine Jewel Dwarf Cherry Tree
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| Sorry you didnt see it Konrad, but I did post a zone 4 on my first post. I am actually closer to a zone 3 than zone 4. Are the two variety's you listed sweet cherry? You say you grow them for fun, did they ever produce fruit? I think I seen some of your fruit trees posted before Konrad. You have a awesome orchard. Since you are in Zone 3 I would love to here what variety's you would recommend for other fruit trees to plant. I currently have a 2 year Contender Peach and just planted a Harcot apricot tree. I also have a Manchurian apricot. THanks for any help |
RE: Carmine Jewel Dwarf Cherry Tree
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| Sorry, troman1973 I didn't see that you were a zone 4 either. Guess you mean the letter 4, after your name in your name and date and time section at the top of the posting, refers to the zone you are in. I was looking for a zone in the message of your posting. I have an Evans (in trade from Laurie) this spring but do not know how sweet it will be. I like the nanking cherries. They are sweet but small and can be used for jams or jellies or eating fresh. Brenda (zone 2b-3) |
RE: Carmine Jewel Dwarf Cherry Tree
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Just have to jump in here with some comments! The Nankings are far underrated as far as I am concerned. It seems there is not much being done to increase the size of the fruit (because they are bush rather than a tree?) We really like them for jam, jelly, and pie filling where you get to spit legally! On the other hand they do have trouble with consistent production due to spring frost and wind damage. I have a Manchurian Apricot which is about 12 ft tall but since we do not have a pollinator it is not a good fruit producer. It also has a problem with spring frost damaging the blossoms! I have read if you can get them on an East slope and keep the roots covered, they will tend to bloom later but not all of us have a sloped yard to work with. I think the U of S is working on a sweet cherry for the prairies but not sure how that is coming along. Some of their sour cherry introductions do have a higher sugar count so leaving them on the tree as long as possible might make them sweeter too. This is a good conversation. I have cherry plums but not enough water to have them produce good. Clayton |
RE: Carmine Jewel Dwarf Cherry Tree
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| I agree that Nankings are not a waste of time. I even like them for fresh eating, although if you want to compare them to a Bing or Ranier cherry you will be sadly disappointed. The bushes also have a good ornamental value if they are kept pruned. I didn't have trouble with fruit set due to frost, except last year when a warm spring brought them into bloom early. They will suffer but not fail completely if cool weather during bloom keeps the pollinating insects away. Clayton, do you know anything about Nankings suddenly dying? In my old yard I had six bushes, and two of them just turned up dead suddenly in the spring. It was two different years. I didn't know if it was a blight or what. |
RE: Carmine Jewel Dwarf Cherry Tree
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Hi - I have a Carmine Jewel in my little back yard - I have been attempting to prune it into a tree so have taken alot of the bottom branches off. This would likely be its 6th year - it was developed at the University of Saskatchewan and introduced in 1999. I bought mine a couple of years after I saw it for the first time at Garden scape. It is now about 8 ft tall - loves my sunny back yard. This year my neighbour picked 4 icecream buckets of cherries off of it and made syrup and jam. The maintenance man at the condo likes just eating them and each year that I've tried them out they seem to be a bit sweeter than the year before. The university has developed some other strains - my department head at the library has planted 300 on his acreage just outside of the city 150 each of Romeo and Juliette. This is a link that should take you to a page from the University of Saskatchewan Fruit development program http://www.usask.ca/agriculture/plantsci/dom_fruit/2003_cherries.doc I hope this helps Fern |
RE: Carmine Jewel Dwarf Cherry Tree
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| Thanks Fern That link does help Alot! But now I am more confused than ever!! Sounds like I have to many to choose from! I had never heard of Romeo and Juliet! According the to report they might be a better choice for me?? Where can you buy a Romeo or Juliet Cherry Tree? I am actually not a big cherry fan, I am really planting them for family members. I have never even really eaten a cherry before, so I dont know the difference between sweet and sour cherry, but sour cherry obviously sounds very bad, but they must be eaten?? When they say sour cherry are they good to eat than? I would love to do what your friend did and start a orchard of some sort, but finding what to plant is the problem. I am still looking for opinions on the best tasting sweet cherry for Zone 3. Thanks for all the help |
RE: Carmine Jewel Dwarf Cherry Tree
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| Regarding the Nankings dying - this has happened to me and I am not sure what happens. I have wondered if they can get too dry going into winter as we tend to be very dry here on average when the snow comes. One thing a person should do is have a look at the roots when you pull/dig them out as there could be destruction from insects or nematodes or suchlike. Sour cherries are becoming big business in Saskatchewan and Alberta. There is now a Cherry Marketing Group and I think the Blue Honeysuckle folks are not far behind. Clayton |
RE: Carmine Jewel Dwarf Cherry Tree
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| Troman, your enthusiasm says it all. Good luck on your endeavor. May I also add some FYI advice? If you would go to the "member pages" at the bottom of this page, click on "personal preferences", you could permanently add your zone to all your postings. Including your "4" now and then on your posts certainly confuses us, when we need to search through all your postings, rather than any of them to find your zone. Our lack of knowledge about you here isn't completely our fault. You could even prefix your zone number with a "z" and suffix it with your province, if you like. If you meant you're on the cold end of zone 4, you could put "z4a", as I did. (Zone 4b is the warmer half of the zone.) |
RE: Carmine Jewel Dwarf Cherry Tree
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| Thanks I didnt know that you could set your zone. I thought you had to do it everytime. I will check it out. |
RE: Carmine Jewel Dwarf Cherry Tree
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| How about the dwarf cherry bush??? How tall do they get? anyone in the south have one? |
RE: Carmine Jewel Dwarf Cherry Tree
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Heya Troman Although the carmine jewel is touted as being hardy to zone 3a, I would give it a little protection from the winters prevailing winds. This cultivar is definitley not a sweet cherry. (difference between sweet and sour is exactly how it sounds. Sweet cherries can be eaten off the tree, while sour cherries are best for preserves, jams, jellies...) My 3 favorite sweet cherries for gardens in zones 2b-4a is Juliette, romeo and my preference Cupid. These were all developed at U of S and are great for lower zones. These can be purchased at Boughens Nursery in Manitoba. I think they have been in buisness for almost 100 years, and remember my grandparents ordering from them. I hope this answers some of your questions, and good luck |
RE: Carmine Jewel Dwarf Cherry Tree
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| Thanks orchidguy! I have heard of those cherries before. I didnt realize they were sweet cherries though. I have tried to order those varieties, but they are only available in Canada and they dont ship to the U.S. Do those varieties self fruitful? I tried a Black Gold and Kristen cherry tree which the company said they were hardy to -30, but I think I put them in to wet of ground and they died, So I wont know if they could survive a winter here. I think a sweet cherry would be better for me than a sour one. Thanks for the info |
RE: Carmine Jewel Dwarf Cherry Tree
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| > My 3 favorite sweet cherries for gardens in zones 2b-4a is Juliette, romeo and my preference Cupid.< These are all sour cherries. There is really not a sweet cherry out there what is good for zone 3 and 4. Konrad |
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| Thanks Konrad, thats what I thought. I bought my Blackgold and Kristen sweet cherry trees from Miller Nursery in New York their website claims the tree is hardy to -30 which would be ok here. Have you heard this? |
RE: Carmine Jewel Dwarf Cherry Tree
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Yes, including Lapin, I have one growing here, still hanging on, fruitbuds got damaged last cold, minus 45 C winter. In your zone 4 , you might have a sheltered microclimate, this could push the zone to a 5. I'm sure, your zone will be much better then mine. But...you have to except some years of misses. Konrad |
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| Thats encouraging that you are growing a sweet cherry. I am going to try again next year. I dont mind the misses as long as I get some hits! |
RE: Carmine Jewel Dwarf Cherry Tree
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| The U. of S. website lists a few places in the U.S. to get Carmine, but not the others, such as Romeo and Juliet. I emailed and got a response, "The popularity of our new varieties has generated too many phone calls and emails which are hindering our ability to do our jobs...." So, I will throw this out to the general public. Does anyone know where to get the other varieties of the U. of S. cherries in the United States? |
RE: Carmine Jewel Dwarf Cherry Tree
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| I know that this year Gurneys Seed and Nursery sold the Carmine Jewel, so maybe if you contact them, they can get other cold hardy varieties. |
RE: Carmine Jewel Dwarf Cherry Tree
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| Hi, Some of the "tart" cherries are actually sweeter than the sweet cherries. I've listed some brix value below, along with the web reference. Brix values of nine sweet cherries ranged from 15.5 ("Bing") to 21.9. http://www.actahort.org/members/showpdf?booknrarnr=795_136 Brix value of 6 sour cherries: http://www.letempsdescerises.ca/varietes.html Evans (P.Cesarus): 12 to 14 Brix Carmen Jewel (P.X Kerrasis) : 20 Brix Crimson Passion (Big Momma) : 23 Brix Juliette: 20 to 23 Brix Cupid (Big late): 17 Brix Sources in Canada: (don't know if they mail to the US) Dominion seed house: Romeo and Juliette dominion-seed-house.com McFayden's: Cupid http://www.mcfayden.com Alberta nurseries: Carmine Jewel http://www.gardenersweb.ca |
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