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Super?thrive

Posted by tapla z5b-6a MI (My Page) on
Fri, Mar 24, 06 at 19:55

Superthrive or Superjive

The question of the value of Superthrive as a miracle tonic for plants is often bandied about in horticultural circles. Several years ago, after reading claims that range from "I put it on and my plant, which had never bloomed, was in full bloom the next day" to "It was dead - I put Superthrive on it and the next day it was alive and beautiful, growing better than it ever had before", I decided to find out for myself. If you look for information on the net, you’ll find the manufacturer’s claims and anecdotal observations, totally lacking in anything that resembles anything like a control. Though my experiments were far from scientific, I tried to keep some loose controls in place so that I could make a fair judgment of its value, based my own observations. Here is what I did, what I found, and the conclusions I made about my use of Superthrive.

On four separate occasions, I took multiple cuttings from the same plant. The plant materials I used were: Ficus benjamina, (a tropical weeping fig) Luna apiculata (Peruvian myrtle), Chaenorrhinum minus (a dwarf snapdragon), and an unknown variety of Coleus. In each instance, I prepared cuttings from the same plant and inserted them in a very fast, sterile soil. Half of the cuttings were soaked in a Superthrive solution of approximately 1/2 tsp per gallon of water. The other half of the cuttings were watered in with water. In subsequent waterings, I would water the "Superthrive batch" of cuttings with a solution of 10 drops per gallon and the others with water. The same fertilizer regimen was followed on both groups of cuttings. In all four instances, the cuttings that I used Superthrive on rooted first. For this reason, it follows that they would naturally exhibit better development, though I could see no difference in vitality, once rooted. I can also say that a slightly higher percentage f cuttings rooted that were treated to the Superthrive treatment. I suspect that is directly related to the effects of the auxin in Superthrive hastening root initiation before potential vascular connections were destroyed by rot causing organisms.

In particular, something I looked for because of my affinity for compact branching in plants was branch (stem) extension. Though the cuttings treated with Superthrive rooted sooner, they exhibited the same amount of branch extension. In other words, internode length was approximately equal.

As a second part to each of my "experiments", I divided the group of cuttings that had not been treated with Superthrive into two groups. One of the groups remained on the water only program, while the other group was treated to a 10 drop per gallon solution of Superthrive. Again, the fertilizer regimen was the same for both groups. By summer’s end, I could detect no difference in bio-mass or vitality between the two groups of plants.

Since I replicated the above in four different trials, using four different plant materials, I’m confident in drawing some conclusions as they apply to me and my growing habits or abilities. First, based on my observations, I have concluded that Superthrive holds value for me as a rooting aid, or stimulant if you prefer. I regularly soak the soil, usually overnight, of my newly root-pruned and usually bare-rooted repots in a solution of 1/2 tsp Superthrive per gallon of water. Second, and also based on my observations, I don’t bother with its use at any time other than at repotting. No evidence was accumulated through the 4 trials to convince me that Superthrive was of any value as a "tonic" for plants with roots that were beyond the initiation or recovery stage.

The first ingredient listed as beneficial on the Superthrive label is vitamin B-1 (or thiamine). Growing plants are able to synthesize their own vitamin B-1 as do many of the fungi and bacteria having relationships with plant roots, so it's extremely doubtful that vitamin B-1 could be deficient in soils or that a growing plant could exhibit a vitamin B-1 deficiency.

Some will note that I used more of the product than suggested on the container. I wanted to see if any unwanted effects surfaced as well as trying to be sure there was ample opportunity for clear delineation between the groups. I suspect that if a more dilute solution was used, the difference between groups would have been less clear.

It might be worth noting that since the product contains the growth regulator (hormone) auxin, its overuse can cause defoliation, at least in dicots. The broad-leaf weed killer Weed-B-Gone and the infamous Agent Orange, a defoliant that saw widespread use in Viet Nam, are little more than synthetic auxin.

Al Fassezke


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RE: Super?thrive

Thank you, Al.
It is so much better to do an actual experiment than
be fooled by advertising.
Now I know not to bother with SuperThrive.


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RE: Super?thrive

Al, thanks for re-posting this, and here's a quick follow-up question: if the value of this lies only in some potential root stimulation because of the auxin, would the same effect be had (for any cheaper) by dissolving something like the rooting powders (by Schultz) in water, or would that be a waste of time? (are the powders even miscible?)

Also, as an aside, does anyone know if there's any known health risk for exposure to the auxins in rooting aids, because of the medical problems Agent Orange caused to those exposed to it in Vietnam?

Sherry
(definitely willing to trade slower fig roots for a safeguard to my health)


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RE: Super?thrive

  • Posted by tapla z5b-6a MI (My Page) on
    Mon, Mar 27, 06 at 18:06

Sherry - Agent orange contained 2,4-dichlorophenoxyacetic (sp?) acid, aka 2,4-D. The contaminating and most carcinogenic part, and a by-product of its production, was dioxin. I have to say I am not certain, but I highly doubt that these chemicals would be found in Superthrive.

There are other root stimulators available if you are concerned, but who knows what might be in those? Auxin is a hormone or growth regulator, so I always handle carefully & try to never inhale it. The rooting powders we use are largely talc and contain only minute levels of auxin, btw.

YBIC&PA


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There are water soluble rooting hormone products. I've been using dip'n'grow. After reading other postings in the fig forum, I wonder if it is necessary. Some say that figs root so easily that no hormone is needed.


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RE: Super?thrive

I have superthrive, but I only use it when planting bare-root plants or when trying to help a seriously ailing plant.

As far as using rooting hormone, it is generally viewed as unnecessary with figs. The powdered stuff can actually decrease your chances at rooting by increasing your chances at rot. With my Davis cuttings I treated some of them with dig-n-grow and others I didn't treat. Within a month (or two) I should have some idea of whether the liquid is useful, harmful or negligible. I have successfully rooted figs without it before, so I know the liquid isn't necessary

~Chills


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I'll want to hear about the liquid rooting-hormone results when you know them. The experiences I also had with the rooting powder rotting the cuttings coated with it, made me give it up as something to put directly on the wood, but I've sometimes sprinkled trace amounts into the mix used for striking the cuttings. Presently I've got six Davis cuttings in vertical set-up, minimal rooting hormone present in the perlite/vermiculite mix, and three being tried with the moist paper towel/baggie option (no auxins), in a dark place (Leon's method). While at Walmart this weekend, I saw the Superthrive on the shelf and laughed at how it was just as James said, with all the advertising leaping out at you from the packaging - masters of hype, indeed! but will be curious what others report as its benefits.

Sherry


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IMHO, after using it for a little while with cuttings, a dying red tip, front lawn and even in my compost tea:

1) They need a new ad campaign.....or at least stop hiring from the "Weekly World News" staff :)

2) It helps with cuttings some.....just don't expect miracles.

3) It doesn't do squat in any other situation and there is probably a cheaper alternative.....although why not just spen $10 every 3-4 years rather than look for an alternative.

Personally, I can't help but wonder if the added attention to the dying plants helps more than the actual stuff in the bottle. I made really sure to include superthrive and since it was fun thinking I was doing something, it made me stick to a tighter schedule.

I heard an Indian tale that if you have a backache, go find a certain type of stone and it will cure it. It's not the stone that cured your backache.....its the exercise and stretching (and taking your mind off of it) while you are looking that is the REAL cure.

Again....before you blast me....this is all MY opinion.


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I agree, I think that super thrive is mostly hype.

I know people that swear by the stuff but I haven't seen it do anything special. I'll take Revive over Superthrive any day.


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Superthrive is good and worth the money but there are less expens

Hey thats all good info but i've used superthrive many of times and gotten yellow growth as well as amazing repair it can go either way. Most of the superthrive i buy comes from www.superiorgrowers.com an alternative to superthrive is by technaflora thrive alive both green and red standing for organic or synthetic when superthrive is just synthetic. Cheers!

Peter

Here is a link that might be useful: Superior Growers Supply Superthive and Alternatives also Grow Lights


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Superthrive

Superthrive, thrive alive, Revive... I'm sensing a naming theme here. Hehe.

I've tried all the 'ives and so far I've seen the best results from Revive. Like you said, Superthrive can be unpredictable.

Here's a link to what I'm talking about.

Here is a link that might be useful: Better than Superthrive


 
 


 

 


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