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| I have fig tree grow in a large pot. Over the weekend, I just causually talking to my mailman who delivered my package to the door. He said his dad grows fig tree in the ground in Chicago area, Zone5b for years. The fig tree bares fruits every year too. Before I further explore his dad's method of growing fig trees, I am wondering if anyone in this forum ever grew fig tree in ground in Zone 5 before?? If anyone do/did, how did you manage to make the tree survive in the cold , long winter temperature? |
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| My buddy dose here in the south burbs of Chicago. He wraps it up in winter and all that good stuff. I just leave everything in pots and move them in winter. Frank |
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- Posted by olympia_gardener 5 (My Page) on Mon, Apr 2, 12 at 21:45
| Franks. Thanks. Do you know how he does it in details? What material does he use to wrap the tree trunks? or branches too? My tree is in the pot and has to be moved in and out of the garage. I am getting more plants every year and garage is getting crowded in winter time. I wish I could plant the fig tree in the ground. |
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| olympia gardener: You like working without a net? A sub-tropical fig tree, in-ground, in Zone-5 is just asking for disaster. The work it takes to wrap fig-trees takes a hell of a lot more time than bringing a tree in and out of a garage. Do yourself a favor and place your tree on a dolly, and ROLL it in and out. All it takes is just one lousy winter, and your tree's gone, or branches are dead, damaged, rotted, moldy, diseased....end result...no figs. This forum has plenty of information involving the conditions that you describe. Pay attention to all of the postings that show photos of winter damage and dead, wrapped, trees. I live in Zone-7, NYC, and I wouldn't take the chance of losing my trees to freezing. weather. I grow my trees in large containers and roll them in and out of an unheated storage shed each season...and, I,... keep my fingers crossed! Good luck with your figs. Frank |
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- Posted by olympia_gardener 5 (My Page) on Tue, Apr 3, 12 at 16:02
| BronxFigs-Frank, I don't know what type of fig tree you are growing. I know mine is hardiness to 0 degree! If I was in Zone 7, I would have my Chicago Hardy fig to grow in the ground for sure. There are a lot of advantages of growing tree in the ground. It is its natural place to grow with seasons. It also gets enoguh leg room to grow when it needs to. It can grow to its full potential and bear more and large fruits. It also doesn't take up indoor space, a fig tree braches spead and can occupy more space than I am willing to give. My potted fig tree does not fruit reliablely every year. It bare baby fruits over the winter in the garage in general but sometime the fruit did not develop into full size fig the next spring; sometime, it was rubbered off accidentally, sometime , there is just no fruits, period. Every year there something happes with all the winterized plants all jammed in garage. It is much better to grow the tree in the ground if there is a way so it can fruit reliablely every year. People here are growing fig trees in ground. My mailman confirmed his dad does; fespo-Frank confirmed one of his buddy grows fig tree in ground in zone 5b. They are not crazy, they are not asking for disaster, they are creative. They find a way to outsamrt the nature. I further inquired my mailman about his dad's method of growing the fig tree in ground in Chicago. I was told that his dad pins the branches down to the ground, fig tree braches are pliable, then put a thick layer of mulch over it. When weather gets warm, he just remove the mulch, unpin branches. All the braches springs right back to the air and starts new growing season again. His dad's fig tree has been there for 10-15 years, as far as he recall. |
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| olympia gardener: Growing a tree in the ground does have many, many advantages over a container-grown plant, and after reading about by all the in-ground fig trees growing in your area, I'd say: ..."good luck, .... go for it". I like to have as much control over my fig trees as possible, especially, some control over the winter temperatures and storage conditions. That's why my trees are in containers. I've been doing this since 2007, and I get dozens of figs every year that are ripe and sweet. If you plant your trees in the ground, you will be able to control almost nothing except maybe some watering in dry spells. Your trees will live only if you can protect them from the killing, bitter cold. Protecting fig trees from freezing winters is always a gamble and your friends have just been lucky. Nature will always trump your best efforts to control her. You asked if it was possible to grow a fig, in-ground in Zone-5? The answer is: yes...anything is possible. How long your trees will live will be entirely up to you. Genetically, your trees are sub-tropical, even your "Hardy Chicago". Expose them to the wrong growing conditions and they will die, or be badly damaged by your winters. All it takes is just one bad winter. Frank |
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| check the gardenweb poster"tapla" he is experienced in container figs and i think he lives in a cold snowy zone, i would say he is the expert. |
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| Hello Yes its possible to grow a fig tree in the ground. I live in canada zone 5A we have long very cold snowy winters hear and i have 4 in the ground and have been in the ground for about 10 years. 2 of them i cover them really well and the other two i bury them in the ground it does take alot of work to get them ready for the winter but i think it's well worth it. The only problem i had was mice and rats eating away at my tree's but i have taken care of that problem i got a cat now. |
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- Posted by olympia_gardener 5 (My Page) on Wed, Apr 4, 12 at 9:33
| Thanks all for the inputs. massimo, I am glad that you grow fig in ground successfully in 5A!. Sounded like you have outsmarted nature even more further. I have few questions for you if you don't mind: |
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| Grandmother grew a fig tree inground in the 1960s and uncles would tie with burlap then dig around base and bend it over into a deep dug trench, they then covered with plywood and shoveled dirt ontop of that. When complete it look like a fresh grave in cemetery. The wood made it easier to dig up following year without shovel damage to tree. Tree grew in Chicago . Martin |
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| In summary, certainly it is possible, and there are ways to do it, but it will be some work. The more certain you want to be of the survival of the tree, the more work it will be. For example, burying the tree in the ground each winter like Martin suggests certainly has to be a ton of work, but will almost certainly result in the tree surviving. One way to make the burying easier is to grow the main trunk horizontally close to the ground. Then you can even mound up the dirt over it if you wish. They do it this way in Japan and cover with rice hulls, I believe (see link). I've never tried this myself, but would like to one day. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Japanese Fig method
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- Posted by olympia_gardener 5 (My Page) on Fri, Apr 6, 12 at 11:26
| Martin, your confirmation greatly encouraged me to dig up the dirt and unpot my fig tree to where it belongs. My tree is not big and open centered so it will be very easy to pull all the branches down to the ground. I like the description of " When complete it look like a fresh grave in cemetery". My mailman said similar thing,he siad it looks like a body buried there! Rob23b, Thanks for the link. Thoese are certainly very interesting pictures and different method of growing figs. I thanks all for your contriution to this thread. |
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- Posted by terry-upstate-ny 5 (My Page) on Fri, Apr 6, 12 at 12:23
| Adrianosfigtrees.com has some tips on covering fig trees in the winter in Canada. Terry |
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| Yes I believe they are covered with plastic sheets. I read somewhere that the trees were also covered in rice hulls. Supposedly rice hulls provide superior thermal insulation, and are no doubt abundant where rice is such a large part of the diet. Presumably this would lower the heating costs of the greenhouses, assuming they are actively heated at all. Perhaps with the plastic coverings and the rice hull insulation, it is not necessary to provide any additional heat. Wish I read Japanese. I can only guess the details. Rob |
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- Posted by olympia_gardener 5 (My Page) on Fri, Apr 6, 12 at 15:22
| Rob,Nothing goes to waste in Japan. Using rice hull is pefect solution for plants and their owner.I assume the rice hull will not be too expensive for as you pointed out, there is abundant of it. It must have provided enough insolation for the trees. Have you heard that rice hulls will generate heat too in a pile? I am not sure how true this claim is and is very interested to have someone to confirm that. |
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| We used to be able to get rice hulls free at the rice mill nearby. We would go into the pile with rusty shovels and after getting the rice hulls into the garbage cans, the shovels would be so polished by digging into the hulls that they would reflect the sun, with not a rust speck on them anywhere. Rice hulls will blow all over the place if they get dry and they rot. I would think if they rot, that would generate heat. noss |
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| If you stack a bunch of rice hulls in a pile and provide moisture, it will certainly heat up quite a bit, just like any good compost pile. It could easily heat up enough to kill a fig tree. So you would have to keep it dry. I believe they somehow mold the rice hulls into large solid blocks. These have a high insulation value. If you were to stack these around and above the trees and keep dry, covering with plastic or such, that would probably add several degrees of cold protection. |
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| I have the Ortho book "Citrus and Other Subtropical Fruits." In the Figs section, they have instructions/diagram on bending and burying the tree for winter survival. |
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| Rob, That's really neat, using blocks of rice hulls like that. I wish we had that here. noss |
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- Posted by olympia_gardener 5 (My Page) on Fri, Apr 20, 12 at 10:50
| Hi, I would like thank you all for your inputs. I learnt a lot from this forum. I just planted my fig tree in the ground yesterday. I think it will be much happier in the ground where it can stretch its "legs". I will check out the Ortho book on details of wintering the tree. I may need additional details/help from you who has successfully done the practicing in the fall. |
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- Posted by fignewbies 5 (My Page) on Thu, Nov 15, 12 at 15:19
| Hi, olympia_gardener Since you've put your fig tree into the ground this I have the same story, my fig tree was indoored |
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- Posted by olympia_gardener 5 (My Page) on Mon, Nov 26, 12 at 10:41
| fignewbies, mine is about the same size as yours and has been in ground since this spring. it grows very happily. I did not dig and bury it in the ground. Instead, I bought 15 bags of mulch (2cf each ) and just weigh down the branches with bag of mulch on top. It is about 3' tall. When the temperature is consistently below frozen. I am going to cover it with a tarp, maybe throw a piece of old carpet on top as well. Good luck with your tree. |
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- Posted by fignewbies none (My Page) on Mon, Nov 26, 12 at 17:41
| Hi, olympia_gardener: In this mid-October I started to cover my tree since there But the weather was always fluctuating ......, sunny and warm during some days (10C/50F), then the next day was So poor little tree was having a bad time.... Now the temperature is stable around 4C/39.2F(daytime T) |
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- Posted by fignewbies 5 (My Page) on Tue, Dec 4, 12 at 12:04
| Hi, olympia_gardener: How is your tree doing? |
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| The opinion of a person who has never had to protect a fig tree, but knows very well the figs. The resistance at temperatures round of 0 F is common. However, there are certain conditions that must be considered. 1) The figs grown in moist soils (in summer) maintain the condition of herbaceous stems, which are poorly resistant to the cold. 2) The young plants have vegetation faster, and therefore more sap, and the young plants are much less resistant to cold (ALL plants, and not only figs). 3) The plants grown in the shade (in the summer) have softer wood. 4) The USDA zone have a huge approximation, a local condition can produce very favorable difference (such as a wall or a slope that protects from the cold wind, and DRY). 5) The protections (all) are not very useful, except in the early years. 6) An uncovered rocky soil, sandy, store many more calor than if covered by grass. In the original ambient of the fig the grass in summer do not exist, is burned by the sun. 7) If another tre or an home shade the fig, the sun radiation is reduced, is obvios but you have to consider. result: Though the fig tree has the ability to bring down the deep roots, these are less susceptible to the cold. If you like to have brebas, you should know that these sprout from the buds of the past year, on apex of the old branches, that may be damaged by frosts. If you want the second fruiting (true figs) these arise from buds produced again in the spring (so not subject to frosts), but they need a long hot season to mature. In syntesis: sun irradiation for many hours, and hot in summer, dry deep and well drained soil, are more important that the cold in winter, if the plant survives. The cultivation in pot or in ground are competely different; in ground an adult tre may be become large, and produce a lot of fruits. And do not need any care. Take attention to the condition BUT IS an attempt to do. |
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- Posted by another_buffalo 6 (My Page) on Sat, Dec 29, 12 at 23:24
| I'm starting cuttings this winter for my first fig trees, so just learning from you guys. This is a pretty basic question. Why not just cover the trees with fresh tree clipping mulch? Then it can be scattered over the ground come spring to mulch the soil around the plants to keep grass and weeds down. Is there any reason that would not work? I would hesitate to make it too deep, or heat would likely build up and maybe kill the tree. But I'm thinking a foot or so might not be too bad. What do you think? |
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