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Sals is Hardy Chicago?
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Posted by ejp3 7NY (My Page) on Thu, Apr 27, 06 at 20:20
| Mike McConkey at edible landscaping says they are probably the same fig. The owner of Belleclare nursery says no way they are the same. These are 2 pretty knowledgable people. Any comments? Furthermore the Belleclare owner says that these 2 and Atreano are the most cold hardy figs available. What do you guys think? |
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RE: Sals is Hardy Chicago?
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I do have Both of them:Hrdy chicago is 4 years old and Sal"s fig is in the second year.Both produced figs last year.Sal's only produced four figs.
They are different.
The Sal's has a tighter closed eye compared with HC.
The HC,has the middle lobe of the leaf generaly longer than Sal's.
Sal's leaf is more rounder.
They both got five lobed leaf with spurs.
My impression is that Sal's fig will be a better tasting fig when enough mature,but for now it was tasting as good as HC.
Both figs are very good choise for a back yard gardener.Regards |
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| That's interesting. I got both my HC and Sal's from Mike at EL. I don't think they're the same, but I've never thought to really compare them. I've got them growing side by side in my back yard. Will have to keep a close eye on them this year. |
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| Any update on this topic? ... Same? Different? |
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| They aren't even close to the same in my yard. |
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| Pit: Having said that, what are your personal observations regarding the differences between Sal's and Hardy Chicago. I don't remember the time frame when I sent you the Sal's cuttings. Do you recall? Thanks Leon |
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| I recently saw that Sal's is on the UCD list ... does anyone know the pedigree of this offering? -Steve |
Here is a link that might be useful: GRIN Pointer to Sal's
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No Sal's and hardy Chicago are 2 different figs in taste and leaf.Also Sal's is a bit more rounder and slighty bigger in size . I have both mature ones. Chicago has a stronger fig taste while Sal's is little milder in taste and a bit juicer inside but definetly 2 different ones both came to me from good sources.Both good producers for me inillinois.
Martin |
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- Posted by gorgi z6b NJ (My Page) on
Sat, Oct 14, 06 at 23:53
| Sal's mystery continues.... |
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| dieseler pretty well sets forth my observations on the differences and characteristics. The Sal's on the USDA/UCD list was sent by me along with a dozen or so other varieties in Feb '06. Leon, You sent the cuttings in Jan '04. Ate one today, as there are still figs on the tree after more than 2 months of eating them, and they are still ripening. |
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- Posted by gorgi z6b NJ (My Page) on
Sun, Oct 15, 06 at 22:14
One point I missed:
Herman and I exchanged our HC's. Mine was from EL (same sourse as all our Sal's).
Herman's came from Hartmann Plant Co. of Michigan
(no Sal's listed there as far as I know). Herman says both (HC's) are the same. George (NJ). |
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| Yes they are:I was hoping yours is better and more productive,but they are exactly the same,coming from the same wood.Regards |
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| Sorry do dredge this up again :^) ... but ... Interested in sources for Sal's that people are growing. Not attempting a full fledged genealogy trace but after reading about some Sicilian Black confusion with Sal's elsewhere in this forum and this thread I was wondering if the Sal's people are keeping have traceability back to Belleclare. pitangadiego ... I see that you are are the source for what UCD has ... where did yours come from? Leon ... how about yours? Thanks,
-Steve |
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Steve,
They both have the EL Sal's. I got it from EL, passed it on to Leon, who passed it on to Jon, who passed it on to Davis. Leon, I (and maybe Jon) have since gotten (via George)the BC Sal's. BC actually carried both versions, but for simplicity, it's easier to call one EL and one BC Sal's (or Sal's Corleone). |
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My Opinion:My Opinion having fruits from Both Is That Edible Landscaping Sal's is Better adapted to Our climate on The East coast,Than Sal's Corleone from Belleclare.And I think is distinct and not Identical with Hardy Chicago I have from Hartmann's Plant co.
Stay well |
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| Gene, Good info ... maybe I should break out the Genealogy S/W :^). So ... where did the EL strain come from? Please correct me if I am wrong, isn't it EL that does not see a difference between Sal's & HC? ... and now only supplies HC? -Steve |
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Steve:.
BC in this "Gene Sentence" stand for BelleClare
What? more explanation you want????
Regards |
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Steve,
Don't know where EL got their Sal's stock -- maybe BC? George confirmed with Chris at BC that the EL Sal's is same as their other Sal's (i.e., thier non-Corleone Sal's). Yes, Michael at EL is reported to believe that his Sal's and HC are the same. I bought both HC and Sal's from him in 2001 and in 2003 and can confirm as can Herman that these two are similar but distinctive fig varieties. EL Sal's is the better fig. I can only guess that Michael was either too quick to judge, or has since changed his sources for at least one of these two figs, and indeed has the same variety under two names. |
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| Sorry ... maybe I didn't understand ... but from Gene's note I understand there are two strains out there (EL & BC.) What I was looking for was the source for the EL varient if anyone knows. -Steve |
Posting at same time ...
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| Thanks Gene! we posted at the same time. -Steve |
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| Stevec,EL is short for Edible landscaping. http://www.ediblelandscaping.com |
yep ... just wondering were EL got their stock
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| thisisme, Thanks ... yes, I have purchased product from them in the past (... in fact I am currently working a project not an hour from them ... I might just need to stop by and say hi :^).) What I was really searching for was the source for THEIR cuttings. Just wondering if each strain traces back to the same mother tree @ BC ... including theirs. -Steve |
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| Sorry stevec, I thought your mind may have been slipping a little but it was my mind that was not getting where you were coming from. I have no idea where they got their Sal's/HC came from. Perhaps a call to EL would clear things up. |
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| My cousing purchased a "Chicago Hardy" at Lowe's or Walmart last year. Don't yet know how it survived the winter. My father is interested in a fig tree that we don't have to cart in and out of the house, since they get so heavy. I did an internet search adn obviously am not very good at it or am impatient. Can anyone tell me where to find one? I noticed the topic header and wonder, what is a "Sals"? |
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