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Posted by mgginva (My Page) on
Thu, Aug 28, 14 at 16:39

I hope the folks leaving f4f will come here as I will miss them if they don't. I have not been posting here recently but will be in the future. I see a few old friends on here that have left f4f and hope I can contribute to the general community. I have a large collection but am in no way an expert. I will, however, try my best. Thank You.


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Agreed, mgginva...sure is sad to lose valued contributors...I miss them already.


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Same here, hope to avoid some strange stuff and see some old friends.


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Michael, Paul and Harvey
I'm here now. I'll try to pick up where I left off at the f4f.
I just hope the couple trolls will stay there.

But I think this place will be better policed than the other.

Anyway, be on the lookout for some exciting things.
This place is going to rock real soon. Gonna bring it back to life, like it used to be.


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Roger that...
JD


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Now we're talking!


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Rafed, I am just happy to see you posting some where. As I stated in the email, I certainly understand you leaving and expect more to do the same in the near future. I can't wait to see what you have in mind.


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Thumbs up!


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I'm here with you guys. I will do my best to learn house to post info here.


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Ok, I see how this is going to go. Rafed, if you can convince Wills/Bamboo to make the switch I'm all in as well. That's my boy right there! He convinced me to go to F4F so I can't leave him hanging. If not, I guess I will ride the fence between the 2. Just glad to see you guys back online!


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blueboy,

Wills and I had a phone chat yesterday and he is well aware of what's going on. We stay in constant contact.

As I am with some other friends too. I told quite a few friends where I am now.
I think if or when they are ready to come here they will.
I will not try to convince them to make the leap. Out of respect to Jon, it is something they will need to do on their own.

Till then, this is where I will be. Hope to see you come by and say hello.


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Seeing "old" names again makes me happier than a pig in _ _ _ _

Frank


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I haven't seen this much activity on this side in a while, lol.


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This is a nice start.


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Glad to be here


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Hey, this is "cyberfarmer" from F4F. Same guy, different stupid name. I've dropped by this forum from time to time, but never has been as much activity as F4F. Looking forward to continued mutual fig fanaticism here, there or anywhere.


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Hi, I'm over here too! (71GTO). garden web, won't let me have my normal screen name.


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  • Posted by tapla z5b-6a mid-MI (My Page) on
    Tue, Sep 2, 14 at 17:33

..... so what happened at F4F that rankled so many?

Al


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Hello Al,

Long time no chat. Hope all is well with you.

There have been a couple trolls, trouble makers and misinformers at the f4f.
Things were getting out of hand and it appeared Jon didn't have a problem with it. But if we stood up to them as of late either we were blocked or our posts deleted.

I guess he was reassuring the trouble makers they can do what they want.
On and on

Plus I was insulted by Jon via email. He's yet to apologize for it.
I called him out on the forum but he deleted my thread.

Anyway
I deleted my account and moved on. These gentlemen are (for the most part) supporting me by being here.

Thanks for asking.


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  • Posted by tapla z5b-6a mid-MI (My Page) on
    Tue, Sep 2, 14 at 21:03

Sorry to hear that. I don't know what it is about figs that seems to bring out the worst in only a few. I hope better times are ahead. Take care, Rafed - and thanks for filling me in.

Al


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Al
You may not believe me because I have broken a promise to you but I still have that Italiano Nero I promised you. It is in a 3gl pot and standing roughly 4' tall.

Think we can meet in the next couple weeks? It would have to be on the weekend though.


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  • Posted by tapla z5b-6a mid-MI (My Page) on
    Tue, Sep 2, 14 at 21:35

If you broke a promise - don't even tell me what it was, because I'm embarrassed to say I don't remember what it might have been.

..... and I deeply appreciate the offer, but I'm out of the fig growing business. I gave my trees to friends because I lack even the room for my bonsai trees. Many of the plants I just enjoyed 'growing', I've given away so I can devote the time to all the chores that come with trying to maintain more little trees than I should be trying to maintain. I'm even paring down the number of bonsai trees I have by giving those in the beginning stages of development away.

Thanks for thinking of me - I really DO appreciate the thought. Take care!

I hope you guys have a good time here. I'm always partial to people passionate about their trees.


Al


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Aloha, fellow fig fanatics. Sorry it took me awhile, but now that I'm here, count me in.


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Sad to see there is conflict. I went by eukofios on this and f4f but changed that name a while back. I was not that active there but read a lot and posted now and then. Whatever happened - I dont know about it, have not bee paying attention - Its nice to see familiar names in the world of figs.

Most of what I know about growing figs I learned here on gardenweb.


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I will say that I have never seen any policing done here in the 1+ year I've been on this forum and the Fruit and Orchard forum; would like to see everything remain harmonious.


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eboone
I agree with you. As long as the trolls don't follow we will be just fine.
**************

Al
Let me know if you ever change your mind.
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Aloha Nate.
Glad you've joined.


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HI guys,
I see the party on this side...
Rafed is always good to see you...and the whole Gang
Mark


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Howdy, guys!
Count me in too.


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I peek in from time to time.

Last year was rough for me. I missed this and will try to hang out more.

How were your winters? (Tampa and Rafed). Nice to meet the rest of you.

~Chills


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  • Posted by tapla z5b-6a mid-MI (My Page) on
    Fri, Sep 5, 14 at 10:11

Hey, Chills! Good to see you, too. The only bad part of last winter was that I lost about 20-25 (bonsai) trees over-wintering in my garage - all the less hardy stuff. My wife come home late on one of our -15* evenings & forgot to close the OH door. I didn't check before bed, so many were exposed to killing lows. Many other trees also suffered lots of root dieback, but survived.

Take care!

Al

Thanks, Rafed. I know that if I ever want to get back into figs, you're the guy I'll call on.


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Hi everybody. Just checkin in too I guess.

An open garage door in the winter is a bad thing. I'm always checking on it, my wife is apt to do the same.


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Al

I have the perfect fig for bonsai.

It's called Queue Longue (Long Tail).
The fruit is the size if a cherry and the biggest leaf can fit in the palm of your hand. Everything about this fig is small. Even its' size.

I'll be home soon and if I get a chance I'll post it. If not, then tomorrow for sure.


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  • Posted by tapla z5b-6a mid-MI (My Page) on
    Fri, Sep 5, 14 at 20:48

Sounds interesting. I have a start on 3 different mulberries, close relatives of figs, as you undoubtedly know. The dwarf red mulberry has leaves about the size of a quarter, and that's BEFORE applying any leaf size reduction techniques. Curious about your plant now. I'm following the thread, so I'll watch for the pic or your link to a new thread. Thanks. ;-)

Only 110 more shopping days until Christmas!

Al


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Hi Rafed and all. I will also be checking here too.
Cheers
Coop


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Al,

Here is a picture of the tree for now.
I will post an entire thread on it along with some more pictures later.
It isn't much but I can offer you the bottom branch now or air layer it for you in the spring time. Your choice.


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It did suffer this past winter. I think I will pump it up with some extra fertilizer next season.
It seemed to help many other figs on my collection this past season.


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Hello! I check here every now and again. Still learning about figs.


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Rafed..This Nero Fig..

Does this tree suit my type of climate? How long does it take for the fruit to ripen if given a warm summer, averaging not more than 6 days of 90?
If it is suitable for my growing area, I will look to purchase one. I have heard they are very delicious..

MIke


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Wow, that's great, I guess I put a seal on this thread..lol

MIke


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Nothing is sealed. Just been too busy.

I can't say for sure how it would do with you. It's on its 3rd year and the 1st year I let it grow and last year our summer ended too soon and this year most of the trees were set back due to the brutal winter we had.

I would "assume" it is cold hardy because my source is from the north.

Next year it should be mature enough to perform.


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I have room for one like that and I would grow it in a pot on against a warm sunny area....If you know of anyone that is eelling one like this or even you, I would gladly be willing to work something out with you.
Please e-mail if you would like..My Sick Aunt has always been crazy about figs and I would grow them to surprise her with fresh fruit.

Thank you Rafed for taking the time..

MIke)


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Nothing at the moment, Mike. Maybe next season.
Where are you?


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Al,
If you wanted to try a fig I think Afghanistanica would also be worth a look.


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Hi Rafed, I'm in Massachusetts...Thank you much.

MIke


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Hi Rafed, I'm in Massachusetts...Thank you much.

MIke


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  • Posted by tapla z5b-6a mid-MI (My Page) on
    Sun, Sep 21, 14 at 10:29

Thanks, MGG. I'll keep that plant in mind. I appreciate you guys watching out for me. ;-)

Al


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Hi old F4F friends. Hopefully I am not one of those people that made you leave F4F. Wouldn't be the first time I suddenly realized I'M THE BAD GUY! Hah!

I just re-registered on gardenweb using the same screen name I have been using on F4F: "cyberfarmer". I actually hate the name and only picked it on a whim when I wanted to register for the site. I'm a computer programmer and an orchardist = cyberfarmer. Get it? Duh.

Anyway, I was registered here before as "organique", but I decided to distill it down to one screen name to avoid confusion since I am still active in both forums. So, like it or not, I'm settling on cyberfarmer.

Thanks for continuing to share your stories and experience. You provide the fuel for my obsession.


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hmmmm........

anyone seen Spanky or Darla? (its a joke!) looks like the old gang is back! Even saw Martin here weeks ago. I usually check out this forum from time to time. I use to be a regular. But you know what? It's all good!!!!

How bout those figs!!!!!


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why did they leave f4f


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Hi all.
I'm glad to see all the old'timers together again in one site and not all spread out.
Vito


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Hi all,

Just check out where folks are moving too.


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I think the simple fact is that having more then one active forum is much healthier then having just one forum that is owned by a commercial venture.


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Si. I'm curious..Do you all actively help others to be successful with their trees or just hang out as a group on this thread?

Have a Happy Thanksgiving..

MIke


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Hello everyone

just checking in

Shailesh

This post was edited by sPpsP on Sun, Nov 30, 14 at 10:25


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Howdy everyone. I am new to figs and have been looking at f4f and am confused about some of the posts of people naming figs. What is that all about? It is very confusing as it seems reputable folks post a name as unk and note similarities with a named fig. Then some of them on f4f have proclaimed themselves as experts and name them at will. This is very confusing for a newbie like me. I would appreciate your thoughts.


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Hi Dirt Guy,

I think as long as the name is prefixed with Unk (Unknown), the person is not presuming to name the fig. Unknown means that we don't know what it is, but we need some way to refer to it. I have some trees that I call Unknown Anna's. I call it that because I got the cuttings from my mother's tree that she planted 40 years ago. She died 20 years ago, so I can't ask her what it is. It looks like a Verte or a Green Ischia, but I would be amiss if I assumed either one. I will probably never be able to identify beyond any doubt what it really is. If I just called it Anna's without Unknown, I would be giving a new name to what is probably already a named variety. That would be wrong.

This summer, I visited a friend who has more than a dozen seedling figs on his property. I know they are seedlings because they are growing out of cracks between rocks on a steep slope in his creek bed. Nobody would ever plant trees there on purpose. Being seedlings, they are NOT named varieties. So, it is my understanding that I have the right to name one if I discover a good one. Out of all the trees he has, he says one produces a tasty fig. Since he lives in Silverado Canyon, I would probably call it Silverado. We'll see if they are as tasty as he says and worth naming.

Yes, there are probably a lot of people on (on F4F or here) who haphazardly attempt to name unknowns. But, I don't think they mean any harm. They do it out of ignorance, and that is why we have a community to educate them.


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Thanks cyberfarmer. I am now understanding a little better about the naming of figs. It is definitely confusing with all these similar names folk are throwing out. Makes sense if the prefix "unk" is attached. Thanks.


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I hope this doesn't make anyone mad. I have something that needs to be said. I've been biting my tongue for months on this issue and here is my 2 cents. I apologize in advance if my comments make anyone mad. That is not my intent. If anything, I hope my comments prompt you to think, swallow your pride and have a change of heart.....especially during this time of the season.

In reference to the Figs4Fun forum, Please please please stop the madness! I love Jon's forum. I won't bash it or him. That is not right. Jon knows me and I know him. We've had many lunches and dinners together, and thrown lots of figs at each other at UC Davis! Ha! Jon is not the king of figs or the leader of figs or the naming judge of figs or the Grand PooBa of figs. And he will tell you that! He is the owner and administrator of his fig4fun forum. He is also, very knowledgeable about figs growing in his area and a great source for fig trees and cuttings. If you guys knew Jon, you'd know I am correct with that statement. If it wasn't for Jon's forum, we MAY NOT have ever met. Think about it!

Folks, we come together to talk about figs; to get fig tree, fig cuttings, and learn cost saving tips growing them. When did that stop? Figs and the love of figs is what brought us all together. So, why get angry at others who choose to name an unknown fig? We can not control people's actions. The last I checked this is still America. We have free will and that's a blessing! People are going to do whatever they want to do. So, let it go! Leave them alone. Love them with a long handled spoon! Why get upset for what they want or choose to do? It's no sin. Why create a "clique" and discriminate against others? That's not nice. That's not love. Again, think about it. It breaks my heart to see folk end a relationship because of something petty as the naming of figs. And why is it always a man getting upset and leaving a forum? I don't get it! I really don't get it! What is wrong with us??? We could learn a lot from the ladies!!! We are suppose to love people for who they are.....Not what they do or did. Hey, we're talking figs for God's sake people! COME ON!!! Let's fellowship, talk about figs, share our knowledge about growing figs and enjoy life. Life's too short. I hope to see many of you at next year's fig fess wherever they are across Amercia. If not, be blessed and take care of yourself. I love you guys!

Merry CHRISTmas!!!

cheers,


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I don't like drama in my life. I don't like people being rude. I don't like it when people disrespect another when there is a disagreement of opinion or of even fact. How will God judge us, as we have judged others? I am not a member of that forum, but I have seen some ugliness. People, come together and respect your differences and treat each other with respect and kindness. Don't attack for their beliefs or perceived threats. Snaglpus, I like your attitude!


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Well said, Dennis!
There's always going to a rotten fig or two in every basket...let's not let that spoil our own enjoyment of this pastime.


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@ Dennis (snaglpus) : Amen; and, and very well said ...
@ Other (downers) : Shame on you !?!

Q: Amongst other things; who built the best world fig (F. carica) database ever?
A: Lone Jon of F4F himself ...
http://figs4fun.com/Varieties.html

Yes,
GW/FF was the first fig forum I ever knew.
Back then, we were a very small happy fig community,
(just sharing info/cutting/ etc.), then fig interest exploded,
and 'things' became very much more complex (at least to me).

As the saying goes: "Live and let live".

Here is a link that might be useful: F. carica varieties DB.

This post was edited by gorgi on Tue, Dec 9, 14 at 14:04


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Very well put Dennis, I feel the exact same way.
I'm sure I'm sort of saying the same thing in a different way, but I would like to add..
Some insults have been passed around over time about many things, but this is life, people can be crappy to one another. So often folks get into disagreements and it goes back and forth; turning into a contest of who gets the last word or upper hand. This is the internet, nobody ever gets the last word.
There is nothing wrong with disagreeing, there is nothing wrong with calling someone out on an insult for everyone to see. We can all read, we can all see when someone is being a doosh. Generally I don't read posts from people who act like this. It seems that these people come to their senses at some point and start to contribute again, or if they don't get attention they go away. Of course they slide back to their ways from time to time. But I will never understand the "I'm taking my ball and going home" attitude either.

We all love figs, every aspect of them. If people want to go love their figs by themselves, then more power to them. But I like seeing what everyone is doing, learning some new things, and most of all seeing the pictures that go with it. I love the layout of F4F and I love the sense of community, the checking in and seeing whats happening. Heck, it's like Cheers(I think most of us are old enough to know about that). Dennis your dead-on with "How about them figs!" they have a hold on us all. Gradually I see people trickling back, and I can't believe how it makes me smile a little when I see a post from someone that hasn't posted in awhile. Sort of like an old friend has returned..that I don't know :)

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Hi there, I'm growing 3 fig cultivars in western Vista CA: Violette De Bordeaux, Panache, and Janice-Kadota. These are the cultivars that "made the cut" as I have about 60 varieties of fruit on my property and limited space. All three are currently bearing fruit and have been doing so since August. At present, the fruits on Janice-Kadota continue to ripen (harvested 3 today) but I think the remaining fruit on the other two trees will not ripen and simply fall off in January.


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Hermitian
I was going to say your post is off topic and need a separate thread but then I saw a fig named Janice-Kadota in your post. So, I guess, naming a new fig this way somehow connects the post to the issue discussed in the thread i.e. naming figs at will.


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Ottawan_z5a,
My impression was this thread is about FIGS-4-FUN (f4f) and just a general howdy-doody to the community. :)

For those of us in the lower 40, Janice-Kadota is not a new fig but instead a cultivar distributed by grower-nurseries in southern CA for at least two decades. Check it out!

Here is a link that might be useful: Janice-Kadota Fig


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That is "Janice Seed-Less Kadota Fig: and so is http://figs4fun.com/Varieties.html listed as "Janice Seedless Kadota".
No problem it is a free Forum


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Some of us were around before it was renamed by a few distributors. In particular, the chance seedling was discovered a few miles from here. :)


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Dennis, you're the man! I told you I was blessed just being 'around' you and you proved me right.


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Well a member for 4 years I deleted my last post. Waiting for a few last responses from some members and will delete my account. Enough of the BS


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fespo, who put you over the edge to delete your account with them. Just wanting to understand. I like what I see here but want to be fair as well.


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There were a few that did it, i was away for a while from there and went back to ask to buy a lot of cuttings and all hell broke loose.


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deja wu ............Please do not make it F4F forum. keep it clean and stop playing "fig police".


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fespo, some people did treat you too harshly. But you came in after a long absence and came in with an unusual request. You ended up burning me after wasting my time and came up with a lame excuse so I don't think you'll be missed at F4F.

The policing that is done at F4F is to help protect newbies from scammers. korina77 asked me questions about one of my eBay auctions but got very tight-lipped when asked about her own auctions and relationships with numerous other eBay accounts that use the same PayPal account. Deflecting the concern by criticizing the "police" is not going to work!


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Hi guys!
I am just checking in.


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Some people just can not f...igging stay out of other people business.
And get punished for being greedy.............
WOW.....
Karma............


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I think that people leaving the original Figs 4 Fun forum won't find any solace here. In my experience the GardenWeb environment is less friendly.


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korina77, as I told you before, my business includes selling things on eBay and the safety of that community is part of my business, whether you like it or not. And exactly how was it any of your business on why I was using a photo in my auction where I clearly made it clear that it was being done so with permission? And why did you feel it was any of your business to try to find out how much I was paying for the use of said photos? You had previously used these photos without permission. Wow, your karma is not so good.... :)

Were you ever a member of F4F? I don't remember you getting chased out of there.


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Hey all, just another fig collector checking in.
Spring is on the way!

Doug


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Welsome Doug! What is your experience growing figs?


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"Fig Police" here again!
So you are one and only investigator here? WOW.....
Guess what, not really.
Be careful with accusations.
But better........... get lost..............


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By the way, what are you gabbling about?

"korina77 asked me questions about one of my eBay auctions ........." - so you have many? Ha.. ha... ha...

" Photo"? - are you using other members photos?
What a shame !!! I will report you to "Fig Police".

"chased out of there" -
Out of where?

What are you smoking, old fella?

This post was edited by korina77 on Fri, Jan 23, 15 at 19:24


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Hey Dirtguy50, I've been growing figs since 2006.
I have a collection of 50 or so figs in ground.

Doug


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Doug, that's outstanding! Does SC mean you're in South Carolina?


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I encourage to all fig lovers to read the Garden Web - Terms of Service (TOS).
http://www.gardenweb.com/legal/tos.cgi

Mostly it is all legal numbo/jumbo,
but of most particular useful interest is point #6:
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RE: the f4f forum

gorgi, thanks for posting that info.

newnandawg


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RE: the f4f forum

gorgi, thanks for posting that info.

newnandawg


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Hermitian, yes I'm in SC.

Doug


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Doug,
Your figs get baked a bit more by humidity than mine. There are varieties that taste better in your area than mine, and visa versa (e.g., Panache).

If we talk about fig flavors, I'd divide them up into
a) classic, rich fig flavor
b) berry or fruity flavors
c) honey flavors
d) odd-ball flavors (some quite good)

Doug, among your 50 figs, what is your favorite fig with a rich fig flavor?


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Hermitian, this thread is not about me.
It is about f4f members moving to GW.

I do not have just one favorite but Red Lybia was up there with the best I ate last summer.

Doug


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Hi Mike and everyone else!

Some of you know me from some of the other forums so I am just checking in here to say hello.

And I will add one comment regarding the other forum: while the constant naming of unknowns by newbies was part of the problem, it would be misleading not to recognize that rudeness and arrogance against long-time members going unchecked was equally responsible for the exodus of many people who are now checking in here. I for one will continue to be cognizant of all genuine factors, such as experience, knowledge and seniority, and give respect where it is due, including common courtesy. By the same token, I have no problem with standing up to fraudsters.


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