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Was...Coleus - is Solenostemon ?!

simbelmyne
20 years ago

AFAIK the old Name Coleus is now invalid. What used to be Coleus blumei is now Solenostemon scutellarioides. I just thought I'd hint that...not that I'm too happy about those scientists who constantly change names around :-(

Comments (9)

  • rusty_blackhaw
    20 years ago

    Coleus will be in use for many years to come.

    Join the rebellion. :)

  • JohnnieB
    20 years ago

    "Coleus" will simply become the common name of the plant (which it pretty much already was), much as "mimosa" often means Albizzia julibrissin, "geranium" often means Pelgargonium, and "gloxinia" usually means Sinningia speciosa.

  • sleeplessinftwayne
    20 years ago

    Thats as bad as setcresia purpurea. I just call it my crazy purple Mexican Wandering Jew. I'll stick to Coleus for now.-Sandy

  • marguerite_gw Zone 9a
    20 years ago

    How do you actually pronounce Coleus, if someone kind could tell me. Is it Koll-LAY-uss, or KOHL-ayuss, or what?

  • Kmrsy
    20 years ago

    According to the Timber Press Dictionary of plant names it is pronounced KO-lee-us. From the Greek koleos, meaning sheath, referring to the stamens which are united into a tube.
    I thought you'd be asking how to pronounce Solenestemon scuttelarioides, which I think folks would find more difficult. My books didn't have it but I found it online at:
    http://www.taunton.com/finegardening/pages/spg017.asp
    Here goes:
    sol-en-oh-STEM-on skoot-el-lar-ee-OY-deez
    However, I disagree slightly as one primary rule of pronouncing botanical names (and which makes it easier) is that you should pronounce all vowels, NOT combine them. So I would pronounce "OY-deez" as "oh-i-deez" (in which the i is short).

    The S.s. name is more descriptive of the plant. the species name Coleus blumei just meant that a guy named Blume found/named it. I wish I could find the origin of Solenostemon, but scutellarioides means "resembling a Scutellaria", which is a genus of plants commonly called scullcaps. This is from the Latin scutella meaning small dish. Their fruit apparently looks like a small dish or shield. So your Coleus has fruit similar to a Skullcap.

    More than you wanted to know, I'm sure, but botanical names can tell a story.

  • Kmrsy
    20 years ago

    Update to previous message:
    A friend came through with the meaning of Solenostemon for me:
    > solen -- tube or cylindrical
    > and stemon -- stamen; the stamens are joined at
    > the base of the corolla tube.

  • giboosi_alttara
    20 years ago

    Kmrsy, I understood that in Latin all I's are long, and vowels pronounced individually, so to me, it would be "ee-oh-ee-deez".

    Offhand I'm thinking of hosta kikutii, which is properly pronounced keekootee-ee. Although naturally most people would say keekootee, and some say keekootee-eye.

    Oh, I should say that I'm remembering from a discourse with W. George Schmidt, author of The Genus Hosta and uh...The Encyclopedia of Shade Perennials, iirc. I could well be mis-remembering, though!

  • giboosi_alttara
    20 years ago

    Kmrsy, I understood that in Latin all I's are long, and vowels pronounced individually, so to me, it would be "ee-oh-ee-deez".

    Offhand I'm thinking of hosta kikutii, which is properly pronounced keekootee-ee. Although naturally most people would say keekootee, and some say keekootee-eye.

    Oh, I should say that I'm remembering from a discourse with W. George Schmidt, author of The Genus Hosta and uh...The Encyclopedia of Shade Perennials, iirc. I could well be mis-remembering, though!

  • marguerite_gw Zone 9a
    18 years ago

    Kmrsy, I cannot believe that I did not find your answer to my question re. pronunciation of coleus until now. How rude you must think me! I was still wondering about this a couple of weeks ago, so thank you very much indeed for the answer, and I'm so sorry I only saw it now! Since I came to GW I've almost always been on Houseplants - I must have butterflied in one day in February 2004 and forgotten then where I asked the question!

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