Return to the Four Season Vegetable Gardening Forum | Post a Follow-Up

Why hoops instead of A-frame or other shapes?

Posted by ffreidl (My Page) on
Sat, Dec 24, 11 at 14:25

I'm thinking about ways to winterize some of my raised beds, and I was wondering why hoops seem to be the most popular way to go. Is there something important about that shape, or is it just easier/cheaper to make them? In some ways, A-frames seem easier because you can use plexiglass sides, no snow buildup etc.

Also, might be a dumb question, but: Years ago I went to an art exhibit in winter and one of the "pieces" was an outdoor glass room - it was 4 sides of glass and no ceiling/roof (ceiling was open air, in other words). I remember it was toasty warm in there even without a roof, (at least during the day when I was there).

An open roof design, seems to me, could be useful in the garden in terms of not needing to vent or provide water (& maybe fewer bug issues). But could it actually be effective for keeping the garden warm enough, at least for more cold hardy crops?

curious to hear your thoughts....

Follow-Up Postings:

RE: Why hoops instead of A-frame or other shapes?

  • Posted by t-bird Chicago 5/6 (My Page) on
    Tue, Dec 27, 11 at 11:43

I would think that the hoops provide more headroom near the perimeter? More useful square footage/yard material? Just guessing really.

A glass room seems an ok concept - my thought is that the utility (warmness) would be well compromised without a roof, although maybe good for the cool crops in a borderline temp situation.....but I would see a glass room as 75% of the work and expense of a greenhouse for only 15-20% of the utility....

I don't see a zone in your post - so that might well have a large impact. Maybe a glass room in zone 7 or 8 would do the trick....not in zone 5.

RE: Why hoops instead of A-frame or other shapes?

You loose heat by radiation and convection. Wind is the convection part, so if you saw the art room on a sunny day (minimal radiative loss) and it blocked the wind, it felt good. But the radiant temperature of the sky is very cold. Just walls won't help much at night.

The reason people cover beds with hoops is that they're simple and easy. A 10' stick of conduit can cover a 3' wide bed. It's relatively cheap and easy to bend into an arch with enough left to push each leg into the ground a foot. Cover it with both fabric and plastic and you can overwinter onions in zone 5. The plastic stops air circulation losses, and the fabric moderates solar gain for even temperature.

The drawback of hoops is that as size goes up, snow load becomes an issue. A greenhouse operation near me lost several 20' wide tunnels to snow last year when we got about 15" of snow in one dump. That's why gothic arches are better for snow.

As size goes down, hoops are hard to get into. You have to take the skin off to get in there. Single bed hoops are best for things you're going to mostly leave alone over the winter.

I like my wood truss gothic arch greenhouse. It's easy to get into, cheap, repairable, and was easy enough to build. The frame cost me about $100 in strapping and screws, and the rest was scavenged material. I was even able to re-use some greenhouse plastic to cover it.

For extra protection inside, you can lay row cover over the crops. You can lift the row cover easily for work or harvest, and being inside, it won't blow away.

 o Post a Follow-Up

Please Note: Only registered members are able to post messages to this forum.

    If you are a member, please log in.

    If you aren't yet a member, join now!

Return to the Four Season Vegetable Gardening Forum

Information about Posting

  • You must be logged in to post a message. Once you are logged in, a posting window will appear at the bottom of the messages. If you are not a member, please register for an account.
  • Please review our Rules of Play before posting.
  • Posting is a two-step process. Once you have composed your message, you will be taken to the preview page. You will then have a chance to review your post, make changes and upload photos.
  • After posting your message, you may need to refresh the forum page in order to see it.
  • Before posting copyrighted material, please read about Copyright and Fair Use.
  • We have a strict no-advertising policy!
  • If you would like to practice posting or uploading photos, please visit our Test forum.
  • If you need assistance, please Contact Us and we will be happy to help.

Learn more about in-text links on this page here